New tv which is 4k?
 

Hi all,

(mods if in the wrong section please move).

I've had my current 22inch tv for 10 years. Its from samsung and (touch wood) its done me proud. Its obviously HD and performed well but with 4k soon to be rolling out i was wondering if it was time to get a new one.
However here is the catch. I live in a box room. Right next to my tv is my computer (and i mean right next to it). I have inches inbetween... i can't even turn my tv around as its next to the window and the radiator.

So long story short. Does anyone know any 22-26inch tv (max) which are 4k and smart tv? I've checked argos, currys etc...but they all seem to be 22-24 inch but HD only. The smart tvs and 4k are like 40 to 50inches! Which won't fit in my room....

Any ideas?

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As TVs that are 4K are usually 40 inches minimum I think you might be better looking for a PC monitor. PC monitors often have higher resolutions in smaller sizes.

Obviously there's no in-built tuner, but all TV boxes with 4K will be HDMI, as will the PC monitors.

Note, I don't know what the smallest 4K monitor size is, but it's worth looking into.

Also not all monitors have speakers, or if they do not particularly good ones, so you may want to factor in a soundbar to connect to the TV box.

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Not worth it mate for that size TV, it'll make sod all difference. I seem to have survived without 4k, don't want a 5 foot monster take up the front room. Plus I watch a lot of SD archive TV which I shouldn't imagine fares too well on such screens.

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As mentioned 4K is pointless on a small screen tv even if you manage to find one. You really need to be sitting close to a big (55+cm) screen with a decent 4K source to get full value from 4K.

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For a piddly little TV like that is is pointless getting 4K as others has said.

Do you really need 1 that small? What you have to take into account with newer TVs is they hardly have a frame around the screen so if i was you i would measure diagonally and see if you can fit a 32in 1080p TV in its position.

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Don't insult the guys tv ! Served him well for years, and might for years to come. Size isn't everything ;)

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lol

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That isn't correct. What about small 4k monitors?

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Because they display text and small images that wouldn't look great close up on a TV.

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Have you got the room to mount the TV on a wall? If so you possibly get a 39, 40 or 43 inch 4K TV. I have a 43 inch Toshiba and the 4K is prefectly fine for me with that size. An added bonus is the set I have also has a satellite tuner alongiside freeview play.

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As an afterthought if you do decide to get a 4K TV, it may be worth checking on the BBC website to see if the BBC 4K content is compatable with the TV you chose. Most of their test programs in 4K use a higher standard. For the full benefit, you will need a 4K HDR TV that supports HLG. https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/help/q...d-connected-tv

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It would be a 4k monitor, displaying a 4k or 1080i image, it would be fine. I used to have a 24" 1200p monitor which I used for TV and it was fine. If viewed from the correct viewing distance, a small 4k monitor would be ideal.

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The issue there is most of the HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 TVs that would support the iPlayer for UHD are 32" and bigger.

You can get small HD HDR TVs but they don't seem to support an actual HDR input which makes a bit pointless.

It all depends on the setup. With a monitor you generally need extra stuff like externally connected speakers to make it work as a TV setup.

You would also be reliant on the device that provides the input to do most of the control.

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That is true but I was more responding to the point 4k is pointless on small screens.

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Thanks for all this people! it makes sense with the lack of 4k tvs that size. Do we think this will ever change? Is there much difference between 4k and HD? In terms of "size" sadly i dont think i can fit in anymore than 22 inches....(ooh matron)

Maximum probably 32 inches but it'll be a tight fit

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I have a 32" HD TV as a 2nd TV - whereas the difference between SD and HD is noticeable on my 48" HD TV it is far less so on the smaller TV.

I would imagine that the same would apply when comparing UHD and HD.

As for watching a 22" TV haven't had one that small for about 30 years and couldn't imagine watching on anything that small.

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We replaced our main 32" TV with another 32" TV and it looked tiny at first, such had been the progress in technology in the 10 years that meant the frame had been greatly reduced. It is lovely however and makes the room feel bigger. I'm so glad we didn't go bigger. It was a resolution increase though,as it was Full HD, unlike the weird in-between resolution we had before.

On the PC monitor front, I chose one to upgrade one room last year from a 17" screen to a 24" Full HD for much less than the equivalent proper TV. It's hooked up to a Freeview PVR (I already had) and I'm pretty pleased with it. The only problem is there's no remote for the monitor speakers (that particular PVR doesn't have a changeable box volume unlike a FV PVR in another room), but I can add a soundbar with a remote at a later date if I feel like it.

Vince is your existing TV Full HD? Or 720p or an in-between resolution?

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Try to see the TV in person even if you buy it online. Most are OK with static images but fall apart with moving video. This years models are far better than last years or older.

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I was referring specifically to TV screens not monitors.

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Yes you were, the OP was advised maybe a monitor would be better and I stated what about monitors when you stated that 4k was pointless on small screens. While there is differences between a monitor and TV the overall resolution is still 4k so it's either pointless or not.

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The difference is you sit very close to a monitor, whereas you generally sit further away with a tv. The point i'm trying to make is you're wasting your money buying a small sized 4K tv as you won't get the benefit of the 4k ness at normal viewing distances. I wasn't even thinking about pc monitors , my comment was about tv resolution/screen size and viewing distance.

So are you saying a 4k tv picture on a small 4k monitor would look noticeably better than a 1080p feed on the same monitor ?

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I know what you were saying. The OP stated he might want 4k but would need to be a small screen as he lives in a box room and the TV he has is right next to the computer. I assumed rightly or wrongly that the OP would be sitting close to the screen. People advised a monitor for 4k rather than a TV. You said 4k is pointless on a small screen. Yes you were talking about a TV but 4k is 4k be it on a monitor or TV. It isn't pointless if you are sat close enough.

Size alone isn't a factor in resolution. It's size in relation to viewing distance that matters. If you are sat close enough viewing 4k material then yes it will look better than 1080p. People need to get away from the myth that high resolutions need massive screens. My phone has a screen size of 6.8 inch and a resolution of 3040x1440 and it is HDR. It looks beautiful if viewing 1440p videos, very crisp. That's because it's close to my face.

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I get your points to an extent but I don't think it's a myth that you need a big screen to appreciate 4K. You can get 55" 8K sets now and you would really be pushed to tell the difference 4k vs 8k unless you stand extremely close to the point of touching it, because 55 inch is too small to fully compliment 8K. (there are plenty of online videos demonstrating this).

I have a 3K phone, my wife has a similar model. same screen size with a lower resolution but you really cant tell the difference at those sizes. You mentioned your phone, I would suggest that the main reason it looks so good is the HDR, subjectively it makes a much bigger difference than just moving to 4K.
Apple do a 5K laptop screen, it's screen real estate madness, we don't have the visual resolution to see the difference.

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It is a myth. You might like a big screen but you don't need it. 4k as a resolution doesn't just suddenly get better because it's on a big screen. 4k is 4k, if viewed from the correct distance, it's going to look the same at 24" as it does at 80".

55" isn't too small if sat at the correct distance, that's the whole point of this debate.

No the reason it looked good was because of the resolution which is why I used the word crisp.

I don't want to go round in circles. Resolution can't just equal size. It's size in relation to viewing distance that matters. 4k is not pointless on small screens if you are sat close enough to benefit.

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I'm rather confused by this - the optimum distance applies to SD, with HD TVs you can sit where you want and get a decent viewing experience -sitting a foot away you would still be able to see clearly.

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It relates to all resolutions not just SD ones.

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I'm sure there's a good reason why you can't get small 4K sets yet. The only real benefit would be HDR unless you were literally nose right up to it.


I'm talking about TV screen size vs resolution here. These sites suggest small hi resolution TV sets aren't really worth it.


https://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/


https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-t...s-1080p-vs-4k/


We're clearly not going to agree. You may well be correct about 4K monitors displaying small text etc, I haven't used one but I do have a 55 inch 4K oled tv that I sit about 4-5 feet away from and I'm glad it isn't any smaller as the 4K benefit would be reduced imo.
You're also underestimating the subjective benefit that HDR brings, far more than moving from 1080 to 4K.

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This may help

https://stari.co/tv-monitor-viewing-distance-calculator

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The good reason is not many people would buy them as the market is there because people want bigger sets. It's got nothing to do with 4k being pointless on small screens. Which is what we were talking about, the OP says they live in a box room and the TV is right next to the computer, so I'm guessing he sits close to the TV.

You need to forget the TV vs monitor debate. They are basically the same thing for what we are talking about. They are saying they aren't worth it because of how close you need to sit, which is what this thread is based on.

Well yes we wont agree, that's because you keep saying its pointless. It might be pointless to you as your viewing distance states it's pointless but it won't be pointless to others. I'm not sure why you keep mentioning monitors and small text. I was talking about viewing TV channels on a monitor. The 4k benefit would only be reduced because of your viewing distance, not because the screen is smaller. 4k is 4k. 4k doesn't magically get better because the screen is bigger.
How have I underestimated HDR? I mentioned it once saying my phone has it, but I mentioned the resolution was good as the picture was crisp. I know how good HDR is, but I wasnt talking about HDR.

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Thanks Hugh. So if the OP got the smallest size screen they mentioned they'd need to sit 18-24" from the set to appreciate the 4k ness. I don't think you could watch tv with all the motion involved for long at that distance without a headache.