Robert Mugabe dead
 

Former Zimbabwe independence leader turned authoritarian leader has died aged 95.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-49604152

From what I gather of his life, he was a well respected leader until he turned into a dictator. Zimbabwe can only get better now. Apparently, he was ousted in a military coup in 2017 and was in Singapore having treatment since April.

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Yes, the British had high hopes for him at the beginning. It's a shame, because the new Zimbabwe had such good economic prospects. His people did not deserve the trauma that man inflicted on them.

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Too many corrupt despots after the end of former colonies..Something they acquired from former masters of said colonies.

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:confused: They were more peaceful and democratic than those who took over.

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Aside from having a top layer of government imposed from a foreign country, that is. Whatever the possible merits of colonial rule might have been, democracy is a strange claim to make.

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Your claim was about where despots took over.


On the whole these countries didn't exist before colonisation. What went before that, wouldn't have been peaceful or democratic.

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Rubbish! All those colonies were independent countries in their own right. They didn’t want or even get a chance to say no to colonisation.

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I hope Shinigami's got a nice hot seat for him.

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Seconded

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I would not wish hell on anyone.

The problem in Zim and maybe coming to South Africa is that there are those who want the land but don't care about farming it "industrially". In both cases you still need those who can farm on big scale to feed the large urban populations. Dividing up land to smaller "kraals" to pay off you supporters satisfies those supporters but can't scale up.

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:tu:

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Ooh, we’re straying perilously close to a theological discussion ... haven’t had one of those in a long time ... :angel:

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Correct, but you weren’t asking about the devil, you were inching towards a discussion about what qualifies any particular person for hell (or, eternal separation from the presence of God, which is slightly less specific but more in tune with Christian theology at least). As is fairly typical of such a discussion when held outside of a theology seminar, it immediately veers to extremes (Hitler, Stalin, and, yes, Mugabe) and focuses on the scale of the bad deeds done by such individuals. This, however, is to completely misunderstand the Christian theological position on issues including Divine grace, love, justice and final judgment.

As I said, we’re heading into territory we used to cover frequently on this forum but haven’t for some time. I’m up for it (as I’m a third year theology student now, so I ought to be) but we could get far, far off topic very quickly. :D

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Based on my understanding of Christian theology, and what I know of his life and philosophy, I don’t believe he is standing in the presence of God’s glory. Yet, as with tweetiepooh, as a Christian I acknowledge that it’s not my place to wish eternal separation from God (what is loosely and not always correctly called “Hell”) on anyone.

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Jesus talked more about Hell than He did about Heaven. As Heaven is eternal blessing, Hell is eternal punishment. Hell is so horrible that I would wish that no-one went. God desires the same so has made a way to be with Him.

This could get quite fun but is this the tread for it?

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Mugabe is the epitome of absolute power corrupts absolutely. He started off with the best of intentions but eventually the need for power overcame any good sense he had.

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Not really, tweetie, because this thread is about a real event rather than a belief.

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Should have buried him at sea... SHARK BATE.

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Poor sharks!