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Hugh 09-08-2019 18:52

Major power outage hits the country
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49300025

Quote:

Major power failures have been reported across large areas of the UK, affecting trains, airports and traffic lights.

Power operators for the South East, Midlands, South West and Wales said there was a "major incident" affecting electricity.

UK Power Networks said it believed it was due to a "failure on National Grid's network".

Transport for London said the drop in power is affecting traffic lights, while many trains have been delayed.

jfman 09-08-2019 18:53

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
And this is before that which cannot be named!

denphone 09-08-2019 18:58

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Not nice if one is affected by it.

heero_yuy 09-08-2019 19:06

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Quote from jfman:And this is before that which cannot be named!
Total non-sequitur. :rolleyes:

Carth 09-08-2019 19:08

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005497)
And this is before that which cannot be named!

Watford FC? :shrug:

heero_yuy 09-08-2019 19:14

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Reports are showing a dip in line frequency to below 49Hz. Unprecedented.

Paul 09-08-2019 19:26

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
No obvious effects here.

jfman 09-08-2019 19:28

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Remember we're always only 4 missed meals from revolution and it's tea time already.

Ramrod 09-08-2019 19:34

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005497)
And this is before that which cannot be named!

Islamic terrorism? :confused:

jfman 09-08-2019 19:35

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Give Katie Hopkins time on that one ;)

Carth 09-08-2019 19:35

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
I feel sorry for all those facebook/twitter users that have now lost all contact with civilization . . poor lost souls ;)

Mr K 09-08-2019 19:37

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36005507)
I feel sorry for all those facebook/twitter users that have now lost all contact with civilization . . poor lost souls ;)

Families will have to talk to each, other, maybe play charades.. . How nice for them ;)

jfman 09-08-2019 19:41

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36005508)
Families will have to talk to each, other, maybe play charades.. . How nice for them ;)

Civil disobedience in waiting if this happens. It'll be the end.

JPAC 09-08-2019 20:18

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Mended, generators back in service.

heero_yuy 09-08-2019 20:31

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Do you have a link for the fault?

Pierre 09-08-2019 20:43

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Fine in the North, obviously affecting the South, which as you know according to the BBC, Sky etc = the whole country.

jfman 09-08-2019 20:46

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Traffic lights went out in Glasgow.

Sephiroth 09-08-2019 21:08

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005497)
And this is before that which cannot be named!

What? Macbeth?


---------- Post added at 20:08 ---------- Previous post was at 20:07 ----------

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36005516)
Fine in the North, obviously affecting the South, which as you know according to the BBC, Sky etc = the whole country.

If you call Rutland "the South".

This was around 16:45 and ended c. 17:05.

jfman 09-08-2019 21:08

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36005522)
What? Macbeth?

I was only playing but I think my favourite reply was Watford. :)

nomadking 09-08-2019 21:12

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Foretaste of what's to come when people return home and plug in their electric cars.

pip08456 09-08-2019 21:15

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 36005515)
Do you have a link for the fault?

https://www.theguardian.com/business...h-east-england

Pierre 09-08-2019 21:16

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005517)
Traffic lights went out in Glasgow.

Ooooh. Just the traffic lights? Can hardly be described as a major power outage then.

Possibly a isolated fault due to the weather. I would expect a major power issue with the national grid to impact more than “traffic lights”

Jimmy-J 09-08-2019 21:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005517)
Traffic lights went out in Glasgow.

Traffic usually flows a lot quicker when that happens.

nomadking 09-08-2019 21:26

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Link

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Blackouts were reported across the South East, South West and North East of England, the Midlands and Wales.
That's pretty widespread.

Hugh 09-08-2019 21:27

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005497)
And this is before that which cannot be named!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 36005505)
Islamic terrorism? :confused:

Right wing terrorism*.

(*aka "lone wolf"...)

jfman 09-08-2019 21:36

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36005529)
Ooooh. Just the traffic lights? Can hardly be described as a major power outage then.

Possibly a isolated fault due to the weather. I would expect a major power issue with the national grid to impact more than “traffic lights”

I don’t see why you have to insert quotation marks around traffic lights. That’s what they are. I also doubt they are plugged into the same domestic mains supply as homes nearby, but happy to be proven wrong. How different parts of the network coped with the dip will vary depending on many factors in the infrastructure.

It would be a bizarre coincidence for it to happen at the exact same time the entire grid experienced problems and be unrelated.

GrimUpNorth 09-08-2019 22:00

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005537)
It would be a bizarre coincidence for it to happen at the exact same time the entire grid experienced problems and be unrelated.

So that's why one of the eight lamps in the kitchen was out when I got home this evening? ;)

Hugh 09-08-2019 22:08

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36005529)
Ooooh. Just the traffic lights? Can hardly be described as a major power outage then.

Possibly a isolated fault due to the weather. I would expect a major power issue with the national grid to impact more than “traffic lights”

Quote:

Passengers were shut out of some of the country’s busiest train stations during the Friday evening rush hour, while hundreds of thousands of homes were left without electricity after what the National Grid described as a problem with two generators.

The British Transport police said officers were asked to help as services on the east coast mainline were suspended, with many customers being advised not to travel; and London’s Euston station, the southern hub for the west coast mainline, was closed because of “exceptionally high passenger numbers”. The outage was reportedly also affecting other rail services and traffic lights.

Shortly before 6.30pm, a National Grid spokesperson said the generator issues had caused “loss of power in selected UK areas”. The spokesperson said the issue was “now resolved” and the system had returned to normal

About 500,000 customers in Wales, south-west England and the Midlands were affected and 300,000 customers in south-east England were left without power, the local distributors said. A further 110,000 in Yorkshire and north-east England were affected, alongside about 26,000 in north-west England, according to the electricity distributors in those areas.

Paul 09-08-2019 22:10

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They lost a couple of generators, meaning the load was too great for the remaining supply to handle - so the disconnection plan kicked in to shed the load until they could fix it - all pretty statndard stuff. The only real question is why did two fail, at the same time.

Sephiroth 09-08-2019 22:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 36005547)
They lost a couple of generators, meaning the load was too great for the remaining supply to handle - so the disconnection plan kicked in to shed the load until they could fix it - all pretty statndard stuff. The only real question is why did two fail, at the same time.

And the other question is why they are running so close to capacity?

jfman 09-08-2019 22:17

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36005544)
So that's why one of the eight lamps in the kitchen was out when I got home this evening? ;)

It didn't like 49hz as much as the rest. ;)

Paul 09-08-2019 22:19

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36005548)
And the other question is why they are running so close to capacity?

What makes you think they are ?

If a geneator (or two) fail, its not a case of just flicking a switch and another kicks in - it takes time.

Sephiroth 09-08-2019 22:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 36005550)
What makes you think they are ?

If a generator (or two) fail, its not a case of just flicking a switch and another kicks in - it takes time.



I can't be 100% sure of what National Grid have done - I imagine a number of generating sources are offline for summer maintenance. I thus suspect this has taken us close to capacity and voila widespread outage if two feeds go phut.

This shouldn't have happened with just two failures
.

Pierre 09-08-2019 22:36

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005537)
I don’t see why you have to insert quotation marks around traffic lights. That’s what they are. I also doubt they are plugged into the same domestic mains supply as homes nearby, but happy to be proven wrong. How different parts of the network coped with the dip will vary depending on many factors in the infrastructure.

It would be a bizarre coincidence for it to happen at the exact same time the entire grid experienced problems and be unrelated.


If there is a power outage, on a grid or DNO scale, then there is power loss across everything regardless. Unless you have battery or generator back up.

Traffic lights would not go out and shops and domestic supplies be unaffected.[COLOR="Silver"]



Quote:

Passengers were shut out of some of the country’s busiest train stations during the Friday evening rush hour, while hundreds of thousands of homes were left without electricity after what the National Grid described as a problem with two generators.

The British Transport police said officers were asked to help as services on the east coast mainline were suspended, with many customers being advised not to travel; and London’s Euston station, the southern hub for the west coast mainline, was closed because of “exceptionally high passenger numbers”. The outage was reportedly also affecting other rail services and traffic lights.

Shortly before 6.30pm, a National Grid spokesperson said the generator issues had caused “loss of power in selected UK areas”. The spokesperson said the issue was “now resolved” and the system had returned to normal

About 500,000 customers in Wales, south-west England and the Midlands were affected and 300,000 customers in south-east England were left without power, the local distributors said. A further 110,000 in Yorkshire and north-east England were affected, alongside about 26,000 in north-west England, according to the electricity distributors in those areas.
__________________
Was that all in Glasgow?

JPAC 09-08-2019 22:42

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It's the hospital back up genny that failed that's so scary.

nomadking 10-08-2019 00:40

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
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On Friday evening, there were reports that the problems may have been caused by
issues at a gas-fired power station – and at a wind farm off the coast of Yorkshire.
‘What happened is a major offshore wind generation site and a gas turbine failed at the
same time,’ Devrim Celal, of Upside Energy in London, a contractor with National Grid,
was reported saying. ‘There was a significant shortage of generation, and that sudden
drop created ripple effects across the country.’

What are the chances of a Wind Farm producing no power.:rolleyes:

pip08456 10-08-2019 05:42

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36005562)
What are the chances of a Wind Farm producing no power.:rolleyes:
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Easy, no wind = no power, too much wind = no power as they feather the blades.

jfman 10-08-2019 06:32

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 36005555)
If there is a power outage, on a grid or DNO scale, then there is power loss across everything regardless. Unless you have battery or generator back up.

Traffic lights would not go out and shops and domestic supplies be unaffected.[COLOR="Silver"]




Was that all in Glasgow?

So you are claiming that traffic lights, airports, railways all had isolated power outages around the exact same time of day yet were unlinked because if it was a national issue my TV would have gone off?

The power supply didn’t fall to zero. It fell out of tolerance which could affect different items and parts of the network in ways. Some of it failing, some of it not.

Chris 10-08-2019 09:04

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
The Grid’s automatic protection against a drop in frequency is to cut power to one or more of the distribution networks connected to it. This is what caused such widespread disruption. Within any given distribution area, critical systems might have continued to function if they were equipped with a working backup power supply.

There are no reports of either of the main Scottish distribution networks being severed from the Grid last night, so I’d say traffic light failures in Glasgow were a coincidence, unconnected to the general failure at National Grid.

Pierre 10-08-2019 09:33

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005573)
So you are claiming that traffic lights, airports, railways all had isolated power outages around the exact same time of day yet were unlinked because if it was a national issue my TV would have gone off?

The power supply didn’t fall to zero. It fell out of tolerance which could affect different items and parts of the network in ways. Some of it failing, some of it not.

No, I’m claiming what Chris said ^^^

RichardCoulter 10-08-2019 15:03

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
I suspect, like the water industry, since privatisation redundancy measures have been cut back to increase profitability.

It's viewed as an inefficient use of resources if something is unlikely or to seldom happen.

Hom3r 11-08-2019 14:40

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36005522)
What? Macbeth?


"Hot potato, off his drawers, Puck will make amends!"

Paul 11-08-2019 21:17

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36005612)
It's viewed as an inefficient use of resources if something is unlikely or to seldom happen.

Well that would be because it is.

For the same reason most people in the UK dont have Air Con.

The loss of two systems within minutes is a very rare occurance.
The cutoff plan kicked in as intended, power was restored within 45 minutes.

Perhaps you would prefer to pay more for your electricity to cover this rare occurance ?

Chris 11-08-2019 21:36

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
I’m still laughing at people going snowflake over the loss of power for a couple of hours. While it’s better here than it used to be, over the first 5-6 years here there would be a handful of power cuts every year, usually for an hour or more. If we get a really good storm, even these days, we can lose it for a couple of days. Twice, we’ve lost it for five.

pip08456 12-08-2019 01:10

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36005809)
I’m still laughing at people going snowflake over the loss of power for a couple of hours. While it’s better here than it used to be, over the first 5-6 years here there would be a handful of power cuts every year, usually for an hour or more. If we get a really good storm, even these days, we can lose it for a couple of days. Twice, we’ve lost it for five.

I think everyone may have forgotten the 3 day week when power cuts were a regular planned occurence. Also no TV after 10.30pm at the outset.

Paul 12-08-2019 04:24

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36005824)
I think everyone may have forgotten the 3 day week when power cuts were a regular planned occurence. Also no TV after 10.30pm at the outset.

Not me, I remember it very well.

My Dad worked at the CEGB (East Midlands) Grid Control, and was one of the engineers responsible for implementing the disconnection plan in the EM area.

Mr K 12-08-2019 08:32

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36005824)
I think everyone may have forgotten the 3 day week when power cuts were a regular planned occurence. Also no TV after 10.30pm at the outset.

It wasn't all bad news. The pregnancy rate went up dramatically ! ;)

denphone 12-08-2019 08:43

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36005834)
It wasn't all bad news. The pregnancy rate went up dramatically ! ;)

Actually the pregnancy rate has been on a downward trend.;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49192445

OLD BOY 12-08-2019 09:34

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36005840)
Actually the pregnancy rate has been on a downward trend.;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49192445

Well, it is now, but Mr K was talking about the 1970s!

There's so little spare time for baby making these days! :erm:

Mr K 12-08-2019 09:49

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36005843)
Well, it is now, but Mr K was talking about the 1970s!

There's so little spare time for baby making these days! :erm:

True. Blame streaming TV/3000 TV channels and video games ;) Also half the fertile population aren't up to it as they're so unfit. Hence our ageing population, and reliance on immigration, think on !

RichardCoulter 20-08-2019 22:07

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
The reasons for the outage are being featured in today's BBC news programmes. There is a suggestion that those responsible will be fined and those who lost out could be compensated

Paul 21-08-2019 03:05

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36006818)
There is a suggestion that those responsible will be fined and those who lost out could be compensated

Great, so those of us who were not affected will now have to cough up when the companies raise their prices to get back the money they are forced to pay out. :mad:

Mick 21-08-2019 08:37

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
I was not affected by this outage at all either.

denphone 21-08-2019 08:42

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Nor us either..

papa smurf 21-08-2019 09:23

Re: Major power outage hits the country
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36006842)
I was not affected by this outage at all either.

I was on my boat and the battery's went duff, i blame aliens.


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