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Media Boy UK 05-08-2019 22:58

Virgin Media UK axe Sky Sports on V Boxes.
 
An Virgin Media Community poster has confirmed that Virgin Media UK has axe Sky Sports SD Channels from V Boxes.

https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...039520#M179966

Has anymore channels been axe since April 3rd?

jfman 05-08-2019 23:39

Re: Virgin Media Community: Virgin Media UK axe Sky Sports on V Boxes. Virgin Media C
 
I wonder if Sky incentivised this in their recent deal to eliminate piracy.

Media Boy UK 05-08-2019 23:43

Re: Virgin Media Community: Virgin Media UK axe Sky Sports on V Boxes. Virgin Media C
 
Note: Sky Sports HD and Sky Cinema HD was axe on V and V+ Boxes in January 2016.

https://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/20...o-axe-sky.html

cheekyangus 05-08-2019 23:45

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Didn't VM do this with Sky Cinema a year or so ago? Maybe they are just reusing the same strategy.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Media Boy (Post 36005035)
Note: Sky Sports HD and Sky Cinema HD was axe on V and V+ Boxes in January 2016.

https://mediaboyblog.blogspot.com/20...o-axe-sky.html

Actually I think I was thinking of this instead. Well remembered. :)

Media Boy UK 05-08-2019 23:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cheekyangus (Post 36005036)
Actually I think I was thinking of this instead. Well remembered. :)

Info was on our blog.

jfman 05-08-2019 23:59

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It’s fundamentally an upgrade to the encryption system switching off the legacy card based system for these channels. So only the newer “cardless“ system will decrypt them.

cheekyangus 06-08-2019 09:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36005040)
It’s fundamentally an upgrade to the encryption system switching off the legacy card based system for these channels. So only the newer “cardless“ system will decrypt them.

Makes sense. Thanks jfman. :)

I'd forgotten this was still a problem.

jfman 06-08-2019 20:43

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Sometimes easy to forget it's out there with so much piracy based on streaming.

RichardCoulter 07-08-2019 04:37

Re: Virgin Media Community: Virgin Media UK axe Sky Sports on V Boxes. Virgin Media C
 
AFAIK Nagra 3 hasn't been cracked, but I have been offered a pirate service based on sending VM signals over the internet.

Hugh 07-08-2019 07:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36005144)
AFAIK Nagra 3 hasn't been cracked, but I have been offered a pirate service based on sending VM signals over the internet.

Have you reported this to VM?

RichardCoulter 29-08-2019 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36005146)
Have you reported this to VM?

No.

Hugh 30-08-2019 13:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36007984)
No.

Surely that means you are aiding and abetting these criminals?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36007984)
No.

Surely that means you are aiding and abetting these criminals?

Use your "high level" contacts, if you wish to avoid having to give evidence...

RichardCoulter 30-08-2019 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008064)
Surely that means you are aiding and abetting these criminals?

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Surely that means you are aiding and abetting these criminals?

Use your "high level" contacts, if you wish to avoid having to give evidence...

It's not my style to go around snitching on people, this sort of thing is best left to others ;)

The idea was a non starter anyway as it only covers TV. I would lose various discounts if I cancelled my official TV subscription. This, coupled with the charge for the pirated service, would have actually cost me more. In addition, there's no comeback if the pirated content stops functioning and they refuse to resolve the issue.

jfman 30-08-2019 18:09

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If piracy is costing you more you are enquiring to the wrong pirates and/or not getting the best discounted packages you could on other products.

Edit: For the avoidance of doubt I don't condone piracy, it's just obvious that if Richard did he'd be pretty bad at it.

RichardCoulter 30-08-2019 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36008091)
If piracy is costing you more you are enquiring to the wrong pirates and/or not getting the best discounted packages you could on other products.

Edit: For the avoidance of doubt I don't condone piracy, it's just obvious that if Richard did he'd be pretty bad at it.

As I explained, cancelling the TV side to pay the pirates a lesser amount would have been a false economy by the time triple play discounts and other discounts were removed from the official account.

I suppose it might be worth it for some who are paying for Sky Sports etc.

Stephen 31-08-2019 09:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008068)
It's not my style to go around snitching on people, this sort of thing is best left to others ;)

The idea was a non starter anyway as it only covers TV. I would lose various discounts if I cancelled my official TV subscription. This, coupled with the charge for the pirated service, would have actually cost me more. In addition, there's no comeback if the pirated content stops functioning and they refuse to resolve the issue.

That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Stuart 31-08-2019 11:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36008162)
That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Piracy is often seen as a little different, because on first appearances, the victim isn't an individual. It's a huge faceless organisation that can probably afford the losses.

The problem is, the huge faceless organisation isn't the victim as it will either pass on the cost to it's customers, or (in extreme cases) it may decide the service is unprofitable and cut some of the programming. Either way, other users are the victims, not the huge faceless organisation.

RichardCoulter 31-08-2019 14:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36008162)
That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Perhaps I should start with reporting you for not having a TV licence ;)

Hugh 31-08-2019 22:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008068)
It's not my style to go around snitching on people, this sort of thing is best left to others ;)

The idea was a non starter anyway as it only covers TV. I would lose various discounts if I cancelled my official TV subscription. This, coupled with the charge for the pirated service, would have actually cost me more. In addition, there's no comeback if the pirated content stops functioning and they refuse to resolve the issue.

I wonder if you would feel the same way if someone stole something from you, but people who saw it happen said the same thing.

Upholding the law is not "snitching".

vincerooney 03-09-2019 14:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 36008162)
That's a pretty poor attitude to have.

So let's say you saw a mugging or someone stealing from a store, would you call the Police, or report the crime?

I am sure you would, a crime is a crime at the end of the day. Piracy is no different.

Aye we can't really complain about bills going up if there is piracy going on and no one is reporting it but letting it go on.

RichardCoulter 03-09-2019 14:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008244)
I wonder if you would feel the same way if someone stole something from you, but people who saw it happen said the same thing.

Upholding the law is not "snitching".

If it was an individual or a small business I may think differently, but I doubt that John Malone will be goung to a food bank anytime soon as a result of this.

Are you going to report any of the people who have admitted to using a TV without a licence on here, or those who use other peoples log ins for streaming services, because i'm not.

Hugh 03-09-2019 16:13

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OK - we know where you stand on upholding the law.

"It depends"... :rolleyes:

And since the posters on here are anonymous, unlike the criminal who approached you, your comparison is invalid.

RichardCoulter 03-09-2019 16:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008584)
OK - we know where you stand on upholding the law.

"It depends"... :rolleyes:

And since the posters on here are anonymous, unlike the criminal who approached you, your comparison is invalid.

Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

Hugh 03-09-2019 16:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008586)
Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

I'm not the one who accuses others of being "snitches"...:dozey:

Mythica 03-09-2019 17:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008586)
Your interpretation is correct.

It's perfectly possible to trace people on the internet, as i'm sure you're well aware.

Do you think that those on here who don't have a TV licence or log into other peoples accounts for streaming services are "criminals"?

Those that don't have a TV licence but should are breaking the law. I only know one person on here I believe might need a TV licence but stated they didn't have one. I personally bought that up to Mick on here but he didn't want to know.

Those streaming using other people's logins aren't breaking the law and in some cases aren't even breaking the terms and conditions of the streaming site.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008577)
If it was an individual or a small business I may think differently, but I doubt that John Malone will be goung to a food bank anytime soon as a result of this.

Are you going to report any of the people who have admitted to using a TV without a licence on here, or those who use other peoples log ins for streaming services, because i'm not.

Doesn't matter how big or small the business is. That's a horrible stance to have.

RichardCoulter 03-09-2019 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008597)
I'm not the one who accuses others of being "snitches"...:dozey:

No, you're not, but that doesn't answer my question. If you're so concerned about this, you could always start reporting people yourself.

I think that most people will have (intentionally or unintentionally) broken the law at some point in their lives, eg going slightly over the speed limit, drinking after time, continuing to watch TV after midnight until they can renew their licence the following morning.

Let him without sin cast the first stone and all that...

Hugh 03-09-2019 21:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008623)
No, you're not, but that doesn't answer my question. If you're so concerned about this, you could always start reporting people yourself.

I think that most people will have (intentionally or unintentionally) broken the law at some point in their lives, eg going slightly over the speed limit, drinking after time, continuing to watch TV after midnight until they can renew their licence the following morning.

Let him without sin cast the first stone and all that...

I’m not the one who admitted aiding and abetting, you are...

RichardCoulter 04-09-2019 17:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008639)
I’m not the one who admitted aiding and abetting, you are...

Are you going to report me then? What about those members who illegally obtain pirated material on the internet? Are you going to report them too?

Edit: Just spoken to our solicitor and have been advised that an offence of aiding and abetting has not occurred in this instance. Also, there is no legal duty on me to report the pirating of VM services.

Hugh 04-09-2019 19:24

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"Our solicitor"...

<snigger>

RichardCoulter 04-09-2019 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36008765)
"Our solicitor"...

<snigger>

Why the snigger? She also advised me that your published claim that I had broken the law was potentially libellous. A withdrawal of the accusation and an apology would be greatly appreciated.

Paul 07-09-2019 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 36008768)
Why the snigger? She also advised me that your published claim that I had broken the law was potentially libellous. A withdrawal of the accusation and an apology would be greatly appreciated.

You have been warned about this before.
We are not going to stand your legal nonsense here.
If you start with it again, we will solve the issue by removing you from the site.

Leave it out, or leave the site, its your choice.

Back on topic, everyone.


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