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Days since America’s last mass shooting = 0.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49224816

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Sadly very true and the hours or days to the next mass shooting????

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What’s really baffling is that they seem to be just accepting this as the price of “freedom”. They are a strange, very foreign people.

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They seem to be so deeply conditioned in their psyche that guns are a important part of the price of freedom.

Sadly it won't change not in a thousand years as there are plenty of things that are good about America but that is not one of them.

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Sadly

nothing new to see here, move along please . . .

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As opposed to the huge number of gang related killings?
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That's just a dispute between 2 gangs out of 300, in one city(ie Houston), in one state(ie Texas).


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Looking forward to my dinner tonight.

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After seeing the post from nomadking, I conclude there is no difference between the USA and the Middle East as far as relentless and stupid murder goes


although the USA have a greater density of Macdonalds outlets

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Mr Whataboutism comes to tea... :dozey:

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These "mass shootings" make the headlines, whilst hundreds die every week due to guns in the USA. And many are gang-related.

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Treat somebody like .... and guess what.

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And think of the 10s of thousands that don’t feel the need to massacre others...

There’s no justification for what he did.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/03/u...now/index.html

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Hopefully the little ******* gets bullied relentlessly for the rest of his life in prison.

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Very short life. El Paso District Attorney seeking Death Penalty for shooting suspect. According to AP News Wire.

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I prefer my version where at 21 he has a good 50 years or more of hell every single day.

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Texas executes five times more convicts than the next most prolific state. If they have managed to take this mass-murderer alive you can be sure he’ll go to the chair.

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Good to hear

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I read the Ohio ******* killed his own sister, but I don't know if she was a target or wrong place wrong time.

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A non-white person kills dozens of people and the Democrats don't bat an eyelid. They actually want to encourage more killers into the US.


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Wow, a 14 year old story about crimes committed 40 years ago, and it was 4 people he was found guilty of murdering (bad enough), not "dozens’, as you state...

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He led the gang that was responsible for hundreds of deaths. A bit like saying Stalin didn't kill anybody, therefore he is innocent.


I posted(#6) a much more recent story, which is an example of what is going on everyday without comment from the Democrats.


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I think if you start your position with "The Democrats .. they actually want to encourage more killers into the US" then I am afraid you may as well stop there.

To be honest, it does sound a bit unhinged?

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Unfortunately it’s a pointless debate, insofar as nothing will change.

We have discussed it a lot before, and these mass shootings are terrible, but they pale into insignificance.

They pale into insignificance, when you consider that 100 Americans are shot and killed every day, Everyday.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/facts...ce-statistics/

“Mass Shootings”. Well they get the headlines but 30 here, 10 there...... still only 40% of the average daily total. Hardly newsworthy.

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One on one killings are a bit different to mass indiscriminate shootings...or don't you think so. ??

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No. No I don’t

Why do you think they are different?

There’s enough “mass shootings” in the USA to make them routine anyway.

You’re 4x more likely to be caught up in a mass shooting that be killed by terrorist.

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-g...18-3?r=US&IR=T

The chances of being impacted by gun violence in he USA is more than being in a car accident.

36,000 Americans killed by guns each year.

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The post in question sounds like it should be on 8chan, but I guess that site's not working.

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You can't see the difference between someone being shot for instance in a robbery gone wrong or a drug deal feud vs a nutter going to a shopping mall and shooting multiple random people on some ideological rampage.

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You're just as dead, either way.

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It's different as far of the motivation. We tackle and treat terrorist incidents differently to day-to-day crime. Obviously, there is no reason you cannot tackle drug/gang-related crime as well.

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Eventually.

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Explain the term "drive by killing" without it being a mass indiscriminate shooting? So Dr Harold Shipman was ok, because his estimated 250+ killings were one-by-one and one-on-one?

The Democrats by insisting that anybody (who isn't white of course) should be allowed to enter live in(and take over) the US, are increasing crime, including murders because it is those groups disproportionately responsible for those crimes. It is THEIR rhetoric causing this. Without it, these attacks wouldn't happen. Similarly in the UK. Just look at the gun and knife crime. Which groups are disproportionately responsible?

Eg Mexico is claimed to be a dangerous place, but that will be because it is full of Mexicans. Similarly for Somalia and loads of other places. In the Darcus Howe documentary("Who you calling a ....."), Somalis were hated by the Afro-Caribbean community because of their nasty and violent behaviour. Labour MP Diane Abbott sent her son away to public school to get away from the malign influence of the "locals". Others don't have that option.

Yesterday

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Trump linking the shooting to video games despite no evidence: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wi..._headlines_hed

Far-right terrorism to become a greater focus from the FBI and national security agencies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90wwkZFPmho

In the UK the Government had already increased attention and resources into it over the last couple of years apparently.

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You are incorrect when you state this - the Democrat policy is that refugees and asylum seekers should be dealt with under the legal process - if your statement were true, please explain why more than 12 million people were "deported" (either removed or returned) from the US during the Clinton administration, and more than 5 million were removed or returned during the Obama administration.

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It's interesting that both the Ohio and El Paso nutjobs were (are still?) being described as right wing etc when it seems that one is Antifa (or trained by them) and the other is a Democrat environmentalist. If this is to be believed: https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/...e_in_portland/

Same goes for the New Zealand shooter, he turned out to be left wing.
Opens up a can of worms regarding ideology and finger pointing :(

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Sorry, but using a pro-Trump Reddit thread isn’t "evidence"...

The NZ shooter donated nearly 4000 Euros to two alt-right European Identitarian movements, and praised an Australian far-right leader, his backpack had neo-Nazi symbols on it, and he said that the British fascist leader Oswald Mosley was the “person from history closest to my own beliefs”.

Seems unusual behaviour for a "leftie"...

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That's not what I read at the time. As for the reddit thread, dunno? Take it or leave it :shrug:

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Yeah the NZ shooter was into things like Generation Identity who are clearly not left-wing.

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I stand corrected on that one.
What about the other two?

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Try and find evidence on a real news site thst supports the information in user-generated Redditt posts that are more prone to fake news posts.

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Wasn't the El Passo killer a big fan of the Christchurch murderer, even going so far as using large parts of his manifesto in his own white nationalist diatribe.

The only thing I've read about the other one is that he hates trump but loves Satan, if that doesn't prove how mental he is nothing will, they're one and the same!!!...

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Dug a little more up:https://www.daytondailynews.com/news...f67iRAMkKkoKL/
gets stranger and stranger.....

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My understanding is the El Palso one was similar in ideology to the Christchurch shooter whereas the Ohio one was left wing. Although the latter isn’t being treated as a terrorist incident yet since he hadn’t declared any political motivation

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Wonder why they need these mass killing weapons ? And why a single hand gun, if they feel they really need one, isn't enough ? Its an utter mystery to me... I think they may be mad.

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Apparently the el paso shooter is left wing:
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/0...-paso-shooter/

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I'll trust to the BBC for due diligence..there is a danger of over speculation from most other sources.

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Trust the Biased Broadcasting Corp?! :erm:
But that's a subject for another thread :D

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His manifesto expressed support for the 'Great Replacement' theories, bemoaned Hispanic immigration saying it was a ploy by the Democrats to ensure control and expressed support for the Christchurch killings. That doesn't seem left-wing to me. He does seem to have expressed left-wing ideas into how the economy should be structured.

I mean in the end, I am happy to call it an incidence white nationalist act of terrorism as it's these ideas he expresses as his motivation.

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:shrug:

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Its just possible that he's bonkers and not making any sense. People like that are vulnerable if guns are readily available and easily led by the hateful crap Trump spouts. The solution is not executing a possibly mentally ill bloke but making such events impossible to happen in the first place, and those in power not provoking them for their own political gain.

Its backfired on Trump but most of his core support lack brain cells so no worry...

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You appear to be confusing the El Paso shooter (Damien's quote) with the Dayton shooter (your quote).

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Oops. Posting at work :D
Take it to mean that I meant the other one then :)

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That's just in El Paso.
July 2
They weren't there to represent Americans and America as a whole, IE THEY are the racists.

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