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Taf	27-03-2019 16:44

Sex Ed in Schools

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Parents' right to remove children from sex and relationships education could be scrapped under reform plans.

The idea is being considered by the Welsh Government as part of its curriculum changes.

New Relationships and Sexuality Education (RSE) is being introduced in primary and secondary schools.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-47709101

Standby for another islamic backlash....

BenMcr

27-03-2019 16:57

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35988863)

Standby for another islamic backlash....

And Orthodox Judaism, Catholicism, and plenty of the other religions too unfortunately.

Which is why the ability to bypass that part of the curriculum should be removed.

And make it clear that it's all age appropriate - 'sex eduction' is a very loaded term when for younger children it's about social relationships and treating everyone with respect.

Gavin78

27-03-2019 18:53

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We'll be having none of this lark in catholic education said the pope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrd1zy8YPH4

OLD BOY

27-03-2019 19:00

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It's not only religious parents who are distinctly squeamish about teaching this subject to young children.

So schools will now be responsible for destroying the innocence of young children. A lot of people will be very unhappy.

BenMcr

27-03-2019 20:20

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There is nothing wrong in teaching children how families look in 2019 and how the children fit into that.

For instance here's a detailed breakdown of what is taught in what year at the first school from a Google search - http://www.kilmorieschool.co.uk/key-...es/sre-policy/

It's age appropriate and talks about things children will already be able to see and recognise

Angua

28-03-2019 08:32

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It does seem bizarre to want to keep children ignorant, learning only their parents prejudices.

denphone

28-03-2019 08:51

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35988940)

It does seem bizarre to want to keep children ignorant, learning only their parents prejudices.

Exactly.:tu:

OLD BOY

28-03-2019 09:53

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Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35988940)

It does seem bizarre to want to keep children ignorant, learning only their parents prejudices.

I think you can teach children about different relationships during primary school without going into the detail.

Hugh	28-03-2019 10:00

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35988952)

I think you can teach children about different relationships during primary school without going into the detail.

do they go into the "detail"?

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 09:21

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This is sort of nanny state interference in natural processes.

Never having had any sex education, I nevertheless knew exactly what went where and why.

BenMcr

30-03-2019 09:51

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Sex education isn't just about the physical act and most of the time isn't really about that at all. It's why it's referred to as Relationship Education in Primary schools, and Relationship and Sex Education in Secondary schools.

It's more about psychology (why do you feel different as you get older and how does that affect you and others), sociology (why do some families and people look different to you and your own). And where appropriate biology (why is your body changing), and personal responsibility (when should and when shouldn't you do the things your body wants to do).

All of which contributes to a positive view of yourself and others around you.

Maggy

30-03-2019 09:56

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35989143)

Sex education isn't just about the physical act and most of the time isn't really about that all.

It's about biology (why is your body changing), psychology (why do you feel different and how does that affect you and others), sociology (why do some families and people look different to you and your own), and responsibility (when should and when shouldn't you do the things your body wants to do)

Exactly! But then I'm retired secondary teacher with an GCE in Human biology so I would support sex education anyway..and leave parents out of the equation because it's not them that's being educated.I think deliberately keeping your child ignorant about sex amounts to child abuse. I'm entirely on the side of the child.

RichardCoulter

30-03-2019 10:06

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Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35988883)

We'll be having none of this lark in catholic education said the pope

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrd1zy8YPH4

Haha!

He does seem to be a more progressive and down to Earth pope:

https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/...can/#gs.31otas

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 11:09

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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35989143)

I did say ‘and why’. Didn’t need no education!

Hugh	30-03-2019 11:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989149)

I did say ‘and why’. Didn’t need no education!

There’s no shame in not knowing about something, but it’s not something to be proud of, either...

When you stop learning, you stop growing...

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 12:06

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989151)

There’s no shame in not knowing about something, but it’s not something to be proud of, either...

When you stop learning, you stop growing...

I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.

Carth

30-03-2019 12:16

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Is there a 'danger' that maybe some of the more . . erm . . susceptible . . children may be overwhelmed by the intricacies of sex education at a young age?

I think we didn't get any sex education until age 12 or 13, by which time it was all giggles and innuendo in the classroom during the lessons ;)

I and many of my associates didn't grow up to be 'confused' about our gender, we were having too much fun playing and growing up to let all that grown up stuff affect us.

Shame schools don't push more on teaching manners & respect instead of sex education IMO

I appreciate kids are much more aware of many things at an earlier age nowadays, and they now have instant access to anything and everything at their finger tips . . something which wasn't a boon (or a problem? ) for us.

papa smurf

30-03-2019 12:57

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989151)

There’s no shame in not knowing about something, but it’s not something to be proud of, either...

When you stop learning, you stop growing...

"The roots of education are bitter but the fruit is sweet"

Angua

30-03-2019 13:05

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35989144)

The worst for being anti SRE seem to be sanctimonious parents, who claim that because they are happy to educate their children in SRE, that everyone else should be too. Completely missing the irony of their ignorance about what SRE actually covers; or that the very children who need this education, are those whose parents are uncomfortable discussing the subject.

BenMcr

30-03-2019 13:13

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989154)

I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.

The biological imperative is natural.

Everything else is part of the rules a society makes and these have to be taught and learnt.

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35989155)

Shame schools don't push more on teaching manners & respect instead of sex education IMO

You mean like:
https://assets.publishing.service.go...ent_PSHEv2.pdf

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As mentioned, we will ensure the subjects are carefully designed to safeguard and support pupils and are deliverable for schools. Nevertheless, we are clear on the themes and issues they should cover, in an age-appropriate way, to achieve this. Relationships and RSE will be age-appropriate, building knowledge and life skills over time in a way that prepares pupils for issues they will soon face. They will likely focus on:

different types of relationships, including friendships, family relationships, dealing with strangers and, at secondary school, intimate relationships;

how to recognise, understand and build healthy relationships, including self-respect and respect for others, commitment, tolerance, boundaries and consent, and how to manage conflict, and also how to recognise unhealthy relationships;
how relationships may affect health and wellbeing, including mental health;
healthy relationships and safety online; and
factual knowledge, at secondary school, around sex, sexual health and sexuality, set firmly within the context of relationships.

RichardCoulter

30-03-2019 13:52

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35989155)

Yes, children have access to porn from a very early age in a way that we didn't (IIRC at an average age of 8). As you will probably know, porn gives a false perception of what a loving relationship is and how to treat your sexual partner, so it's important that this is balanced by proper education.

Hugh	30-03-2019 14:20

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989154)

I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.

If these things are ‘natural’, why do so many seem to get them wrong, and treat them as transactional (at best), as many young men focus on the physical aspects (often badly, as they don’t understand female anatomy), rather than the emotional aspects of relationships (which is a major part of the teaching).

Carth

30-03-2019 14:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35989169)

. . . many young men focus on the physical aspects (often badly, as they don’t understand female anatomy), rather than the emotional aspects of relationships (which is a major part of the teaching).

I think you'll find that 70% of 'young men' (and young women) on a night out are focusing on what they might get that night, and not long term emotional involvement ;)

Long term emotional involvement usually happens quite a while later . . unless it's 'love at first snakebite' :D

Damien

30-03-2019 15:50

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989154)

I never stop learning - but love, lust and related matters are entirely natural. The moment you nanny it into school, perspectives emerge and the natural order is at risk.

Sex education has been in school for a while now already and it's not really harmed anything. If anything it's also seen as one of the reasons teenage pregnancy declined after spiking in the late 90s/early 00s.

RichardCoulter

30-03-2019 16:15

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35989173)

True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.

Sephiroth

30-03-2019 16:31

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35989180)

True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.

Some things will never change, lessons or not.

Maggy

30-03-2019 18:32

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35989166)

:tu:

---------- Post added at 18:32 ---------- Previous post was at 18:29 ----------

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 35989182)

Some things will never change, lessons or not.

So we shouldn't even TRY? :eh:

OLD BOY

30-03-2019 21:10

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35989180)

True, but these lessons will focus on the futility of this as well as the risks of promiscuity/one night stands e.g. sexually transmitted diseases.

Oh, yeah! And does anyone really believe that teachers will actually change that?
I do think that boys need to be taught how better to behave in a relationship, and that might well do some good, but casual relationships are another matter altogether.

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