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Hugh	22-03-2019 22:34

Russia-Trump inquiry: Special Counsel Robert Mueller ends Russia investigation

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47671715

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Special Counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into alleged collusion between Russia and President Donald Trump's 2016 campaign has concluded.

Mr Mueller's report has been delivered to the Department of Justice, where Attorney General William Barr will decide how much to share with Congress.

In a letter to Congress, Mr Barr said he may be able to report back the principal conclusions by the weekend.

No details of Mr Mueller's report have been released.

The report is intended to explain any prosecutorial decisions the special counsel has made in the 22 months since his appointment by deputy US Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

Damien

22-03-2019 22:57

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Pretty sure there won't be any collision but it'll be interesting to see the extent to which Russia got involved.

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There will be no more indictments.

Damien

24-03-2019 20:50

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https://twitter.com/ktbenner/status/1109904551803609094

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"the Special Counsel's investigation did not find that the Trump campaign or anyone associated with it conspired or coordinated with Russia in its efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election." -- from the #mueller report top findings

Mick	24-03-2019 20:58

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$35 Million Dollars wasted then.

1andrew1

24-03-2019 21:02

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Let's hope those who funded the report - the US taxpayers - actually get to read it.

Hugh	24-03-2019 21:04

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Here’s Barr’s letter

https://judiciary.house.gov/sites/de...Committees.pdf

Damien

24-03-2019 21:07

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Other point: Russia did interfere with two different ways in the 2016 Election

Hugh	24-03-2019 21:08

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988465)

$35 Million Dollars wasted then.

Not really - the investigation clawed back $42 million dollars back from Manafort...

(in comparison, the (Bill) Clinton investigation cost $69 million dollars)

I’m sure no one is worried that AG Barr’s son-in-law-law joined Trump’s 2020 Campaign team last month - no conflict of interest there at all..

btw, the AG’s summary letter also said

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"While this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him."

Which is a strange thing for a lawyer to say...

Damien

24-03-2019 21:18

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Unless there is something big the AG is keeping from the letter it's likely this is over. There is nothing here the Democrats can use a basis for going after Trump and certainly not impeachment.

Hugh	24-03-2019 21:27

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Remember, this is Barr’s view of the report, not what the report says - this is his interpretation/summary.

The Special Counsel declined to reach a conclusion.

Congress makes the decision about whether the president committed impeachable crimes. I would expect that the House will now demand the full report & evidence, conduct its own investigation, and reach its own conclusion.

(You know, like they did with the Hillary Clinton investigations)

Mick	24-03-2019 21:29

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35988470)

Not really - the investigation clawed back $42 million dollars back from Manafort...

(in comparison, the (Bill) Clinton investigation cost $69 million dollars)[COLOR="Silver"]

I’m sure no one is worried that AG Barr’s son-in-law-law joined Trump’s 2020 Campaign team last month - no conflict of interest there at all..

btw, the AG’s summary letter also said

Which is a strange thing for a lawyer to say...

Yes really, was a political hit job from the real collusion folk in the DNC. Who paid for the fake Russian Dossier again?

Answer: Crooked Hillary and the DNC!!!

Hugh	24-03-2019 21:51

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988478)

Yes really, was a political hit job from the real collusion folk in the DNC. Who paid for the fake Russian Dossier again?

Answer: Crooked Hillary and the DNC!!!

And who started it off - the conservative political website The Washington Free Beacon, to provide general opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates.

Mick	24-03-2019 21:58

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Hugh, I’m going to make this very clear I’m not having a re-run of the same petty arguments from prior Trump threads.

nomadking

24-03-2019 22:10

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Never seen what this alleged collusion was ever had amounted to. Attempts were made to hack the Republican campaigns, but none succeeded. Hacking attempts are made on people and organisations all around the world and have been for decades. Nothing special about it.

The other supposed aspect amounts to just ads or giving opinions. Again nothing special about that. There will have been anti-Trump ads and opinions from accounts where the preferred language wasn't English, eg Spanish.

If I was going to collude with somebody on something this big, I would expect to see a lot more results than just those things.

Hugh	24-03-2019 22:59

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If the Mueller Report actually did totally exonerate this administration, then it would already be public. Trump himself would have released it from Mar A Lago, instead of tweeting...

Wait for the full, unedited release of the report, not the Trump appointee report from the man who wrote an Op-Ed before he was appointed stating that there was no way Trump could be found guilty.

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35988491)

Hugh, I’m going to make this very clear I’m not having a re-run of the same petty arguments from prior Trump threads.

So I can’t reply to points you raise, that you’ve raised previously?

Mick	24-03-2019 23:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35988499)

We are not rehashing old arguments.

Hugh	01-05-2019 19:30

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8894796.html

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Trump-Russia investigation: Mueller letter to Barr criticising attorney general's 'no collusion' summary leaked

Robert Mueller’s letter to William Barr, in which he criticised the attorney general over a summary of his report on the Trump-Russia investigation, has been released online.

In the letter, the special counsel said he was concerned the public could be confused by the four-page summary that Mr Barr sent to senior members of Congress.

"The summary letter the Department sent to Congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March 24 did not full capture the context, natures and substance of this Office's work and conclusions," the note reads.

It continues: "There is new public confusion about critical aspects of the results of our investigation. This threatens to undermine a central purpose for which the Department appointed the Special Counsel: to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations."

Full letter here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...nl_most&wpmm=1

pip08456

02-05-2019 16:30

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35992946)

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8894796.html

Full letter here - https://www.washingtonpost.com/conte...nl_most&wpmm=1

Full (redacted) Muller report HERE

1andrew1

02-05-2019 19:39

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35993123)

Full (redacted) Muller report HERE

AKA Mueller Lite. :D

nomadking

02-05-2019 20:19

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Still wondering what the sum total of any "collusion" was meant to have been. No inside information was even suggested to have been used. Anything that was even alleged, didn't need any collusion. Any collusion was all by the Clinton campaign.

pip08456

02-05-2019 20:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35993169)

AKA Mueller Lite. :D

AKA the only report the public will be able to see. The Muller team worked alongside the AG's team to make as much as possible open to the public.

Hugh	02-05-2019 22:08

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35993177)

They didn’t investigate collusion, as that is not a specific offence under US Federal Law.

nomadking

02-05-2019 22:27

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993216)

They didn’t investigate collusion, as that is not a specific offence under US Federal Law.

This thread is about supposed "collusion".

Hugh	03-05-2019 09:13

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35993221)

This thread is about supposed "collusion".

No, it’s not - it’s about the Mueller investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US elections (which the report confirmed happened), and any matters arising from that investigation (including any possible obstruction of justice).

Mick	03-05-2019 09:19

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Um, yes it is about Collusion. It’s been about this, since Trump won. Now Mueller found none. The stupid Democrats are trying to pin Obstruction on him. The DNC really has become a pathetic loser party, using DOJ as a political weapon. This party doesn’t deserve to hold any kind of power again.

nomadking

03-05-2019 10:52

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35993268)

The clue is the "Russia-Trump" bit of the thread title.

Hugh	03-05-2019 11:06

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"Collusion" was first put about by Trump and his supporters, as they knew he couldn’t be charged with it as it isn’t a crime under Federal Law - so they could always claim "there was no collusion" no matter what happened; it’s called changing the agenda to distract from what actually happened, which was that the Russians actively subverted the Election to support and attack Clinton (as stated in the report) - Trump (and his supporters) won’t accept this as they feel it distracts from his victory.

It also states that the Trump Campaign expected to benefit electorally from the information stolen and released through Russian efforts (criminal acts that people have been charged with).

nomadking

03-05-2019 11:29

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Phishing attempts were also made on the Republican campaigns. It's just that they failed for one reason or another. The general public get phishing attempts, so why should this be any different? Plenty of hackers outside Russia, especially in the UK, that "attack" the US.

No suggestion of foreign interference here.

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The implication from the leaked emails is that a $12m donation from the king of Morocco was dependent on Mrs Clinton attending the summit.
"Her presence was a condition for the Moroccans to proceed so there is no going back on this," Abedin wrote to campaign manager Robbie Mook in a November 2014 email.
In the end, Mrs Clinton decided not to attend and sent husband Bill and daughter Chelsea instead. There is no record of a $12m donation.

No collusion involved?

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Donna Brazile, the former CNN contributor, notified the Clinton campaign in advance of a question she would be asked at a town hall-style event hosted by the cable network in March, according to the leaked emails.
"From time to time I get the questions in advance," Ms Brazile, now chair of the Democratic National Party (DNC), wrote in the subject line of a 12 March email to Clinton aides.

Hugh	30-05-2019 17:16

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....

12:57 pm · 30 May 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

1andrew1

30-05-2019 17:32

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:Yikes:

Mick	30-05-2019 18:47

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"Nothing burger" springs to mind.

Finally glad to see the Hoax shut down - hope now Barr goes after the pricks that instigated this farce.

1andrew1

30-05-2019 21:43

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So pleased to see Trump confirm that Russia helped him get elected, respect. Now we can all move on. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8936496.html

Hugh	30-05-2019 21:44

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Trump just stated that the Russians helped get him elected - "Nothing burger"?

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I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected

Mick	30-05-2019 22:06

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35997278)

Trump just stated that the Russians helped get him elected - "Nothing burger"?

Fake News.

And what about Crooked Hillary getting help via the Russians via Christopher Steele and the Fake Russian Dossier or are you always this one sided? :rolleyes:

Stephen

30-05-2019 22:19

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It's not fake news. Trump actually did tweet that.

Mick	30-05-2019 22:24

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Did he really? :zzz:

Still a nothing burger if Crooked Hillary can get away with using Russians via Christopher Steele for the Fake Russian Dossier that she and her crooked campaign paid for.

Mr K	31-05-2019 08:24

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Lock him up (he can share a cell with Boris...)

Hugh	31-05-2019 09:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997287)

Did he really? :zzz:

Still a nothing burger if Crooked Hillary can get away with using Russians via Christopher Steele for the Fake Russian Dossier that she and her crooked campaign paid for.

Yes, he really did, from his own account, as posted earlier - denying it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen...

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Russia, Russia, Russia! That’s all you heard at the beginning of this Witch Hunt Hoax...And now Russia has disappeared because I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected. It was a crime that didn’t exist. So now the Dems and their partner, the Fake News Media,.....

12:57 pm · 30 May 2019 · Twitter for iPhone

Here is the link to tweet on his twitter account (unless you are calling his personal Twitter account "fake news"?).

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...66371510378501

On a related note...

Mick	31-05-2019 11:07

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Hugh, I don’t care what he said or didn’t say. I notice you completely bypass the fact that Hillary Clinton and her campaign paid for a “Russian” Dossier, fake intel, via the Russians via Steele. The real collusion.

I told you in an earlier post, we are not rehashing old arguments. This thread will be closed if this continues. Sick of the one sided rubbish from you and others. Trump was cleared of collusion. But just like the pathetic cheating Democrats in America, you want to carry this hoax on. :rolleyes:

1andrew1

31-05-2019 12:08

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997332)

Collusion is not a charge in the US so it's not something that Trump could ever be found guilty or not guilty of. He's admitted that Russia helped him into power so let's leave it at that and move on. ;)

Mick	31-05-2019 15:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35997344)

I am not the one who needs to move on - I accepted Trump as President when he was legitimately elected.

Hugh	31-05-2019 15:33

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35997332)

Hugh, I don’t care what he said or didn’t say. I notice you completely bypass the fact that Hillary Clinton and her campaign paid for a “Russian” Dossier, fake intel, via the Russians via Steele. The real collusion.

I told you in an earlier post, we are not rehashing old arguments. This thread will be closed if this continues. Sick of the one sided rubbish from you and others. Trump was cleared of collusion. But just like the pathetic cheating Democrats in America, you want to carry this hoax on. :rolleyes:

It wasn't an old argument - it was something Trump tweeted yesterday.

Mick	31-05-2019 15:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35997367)

It wasn't an old argument - it was something Trump tweeted yesterday.

So when some Russians, gave Steele fake intel, to diminish Trump's chances of being elected, they were not trying to help Clinton get elected?

Carth

31-05-2019 16:14

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To me, it's just a badly worded tweet saying he knew bugger all about it . . . if it actually happened

but hey, we all read things differently :zzz:

TheDaddy

31-05-2019 19:09

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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35997384)

To me, it's just a badly worded tweet saying he knew bugger all about it . . . if it actually happened

but hey, we all read things differently :zzz:

I actually think that to, just a very poorly written tweet

Gavin78

07-06-2019 12:22

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I don't mind the guy. There are some questionable things in what he says but he's put the USA on the map again with America first and it seems to be working.

Think we need to start doing what he is then people might start taking notice.

TheDaddy

07-06-2019 15:51

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Didn't like the megan markle stuff, was obvious he waa talking about the things she said about him rather than her and even if he wasn't so what, minor royal by marriage who if her staff churn is anything to go by could well be nasty.

Thought her majesty handled the occassion perfectly to, particularly in keeping phil away from the banquet, imagine donny and phil sat there, trying to out gaffe each other

Damien

13-06-2019 15:27

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https://www.cableforum.uk/images/loc...06/1.jpg:small

:D

Hugh	13-06-2019 18:26

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Prince of Wales, Prince of Whales, Prince of Wails

h/t @NGrossman81

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