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The BBC News channel is reporting that a man in his 30's has just been stabbing people and tried to stab a policeman at Manchester Victoria.

It will be closed for the next two hours.

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From what has been sais so far it could be someone with mental health issues and/or drug induced or a combination of both.

Does not excuse it though especially for the victims.

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Or maybe....
Link

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Shouts of "Allah" and "If you keep on arming these countries, this will keep on happening" are reported to have been shouted.

I'm surprised they will have time in and amongst all the child sex abuse.

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Wow, why the need to bring that into it?

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Because he's a drama queen?

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Because so called Muslims are indulging in both types of (very serious) crimes. I'm surprised that anyone would seek to defend such people.

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Currently detained under the Mental Health Act

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co...toria-15619738

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And many other crimes. Whitemoor Prison(category A) has loads of them.
Strange that those Muslims that launch attacks and are described as mentally ill, only seem to attack non-Muslims, when they would spend most of their time around other Muslims.

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I sill don't see why it belongs in here. This is a thread about the knife attack in Manchester, not about child sex abuse. It's rather odd to bring that up with the comment that you're surprised they have time in amongst the child sex abuse.

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People of all colours and creed are guilty of horrific offences such as you describe

Your post is a very poor attempt at racist, bigotry.

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Absolutely spot on mrmistoffelees but there is nothing like a clear and blatant misrepresentation of certain groups in this country by some.

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Indeed if you google those type of crimes and football coach, scout leader or members of the clergy you’ll find plenty of crimes carried out by non-Muslims.

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We live in a fair sized city and these crimes are carried out by non-Muslims as well but that does not mean we should start to grossly misrepresent them just because a there is a small minority of them who are bad apples.

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2014
Muslim Council of Britain report
Don't know the exact figures, but is is obvious that the biggest group committing these type of (supposedly) motiveless attacks are Muslims.

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Black people account for about 3% of the population and 12% of the prisoner population. I'd say it's far too simplistic to jump to the racist conclusions we've seen elsewhere in the thread.

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So nothing to do with Islam?:confused:

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This incident probably is.

Without knowing the crimes that the rest of the Muslim prison population are in for it's impossible to extrapolate that sample of one to the rest.

I'd be more interested in why all ethnic groups are over-represented in the prison population, except the Chinese.

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Of course, but we are talking about an attack where the usual cries of 'Allah' were made. How on Earth could a post about muslims be racist? People of allsorts of races are muslim.

Three people were stabbed, no concern for them has been shown. It was a shocking attack, no condemnation has been made. Just the usual types trying to collect PC brownie points and turn it into a race issue.

This is how we got ourselves into these type of situations in the first place. Cries of "racism" no longer work to silence valid criticism of the conduct of various communities.

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Well it's not unpaid council tax.
2016.

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Of course, all non white inmates are in prison despite being innocent.

We're all nasty horrible racists who put non white black folk in prison for absolutely nothing, with no evidence required or the usual balances and checks of the usual judicial process :rolleyes:

Rather than accepting that they either commit more crime or are less able to take steps to get away with it, the "it's because they're black" mantra is continually bleated by the continually virtue signalling professional anti racists types. This helps nobody.

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God is Great not for you my old sun shine.. your god denounces you.

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Yet you bought child sex abuse into it for some reason. Surely you turned it into a race issue by mentioning what you did.

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Nobody is saying they are innocent. It's a leap to say that they are all in for terror related offences or grooming gangs.

Drug offences is interesting though. It'd be interesting to compare conviction rates and sentencing. Is a white person more likely to get a non-custodial sentence?

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Sorry, racist was the wrong word to have used. I'll stick however with bigoted.

This was also a shocking attack https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ted-terrorism/ i note you yourself don't offer condemnation? I wonder why? Well, the answer is clear, Because it's obvious that we're all appalled by the abhorrent attacks such as the one you're posting with regards too and the one I've just linked too.

Finally, my cries are aimed at the almost Mesozoic era levels of ignorance shown by sections of society, Happily however the dinosaurs died out, One can only hope these attitudes and the people who foster them follow suit.

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Government statistics

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....ntences/latest

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Well, if you target one group you would hope that convictions go up!

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https://assets.publishing.service.go...nfographic.pdf in a nice infographic

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Totally meaningless figures.
EG Within "Fraud offences" there will be a difference in sentencing between a £10,000 fraud or a £10m fraud or even a £113m fraud.

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That's fantastic!

So a predominantly white criminal justice system is less likely to arrest white people and less likely to convict. Where a conviction does take place a white person is less likely to face a custodial sentence. If they do face a custodial sentence it's likely to be for a shorter period of time, and white people are more likely to be released early.

An astonishing set of statistics.

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Ah, back to extrapolating a sample size of one.

Of course a better representation of reality than official statistics.

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Yet have the 2nd highest reoffending rate.....

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Institutionalized discrimination l would call it.

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I know you love to google for stats Hugh, so here's one for you.

Is the inbalanced White, Muslim, Black imprisonment rate based on like for like crime or is it because different racial groups may commit different crimes?

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You CANNOT use overall figures without looking at the make-up of those figures. If certain groups are committing more serious crimes in a category, then they are justifiably going to get longer sentences.


The highest conviction rate in those figures is for White people at 86%.

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https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures....f-crime/latest here's some more interesting reading

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I’ll let you do the looking, since you’re putting forward the question - why should I do your research for you? ;)

But here’s a starter for you...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...s-report-finds

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Hence my question to Hugh in my previous post.

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Are certain groups committing different crimes though to the extent it’d skew the figures to any meaningful extent? Or is that conjecture?

Is a white person more likely to benefit from privilege?

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017...bing-boyfriend

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Why should I do any research to fit your agenda?
Nice try but if you want to prove a point then do so otherwise keep quiet.

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Since neither the ONS nor the MoJ publish these datasets we're left with speculation and conjecture.

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So don't speculate or conjecture.

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Done.

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They targeted drug gangs, not any particular "racial" group. If drug gangs are disproportionately non-white, then those convicted of the more serious drug offences will inevitably be non-white.

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So now show how, if the charge was the same etc. All You've done is make a statement with nothing to back it up.

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That's not what the sentence said. It said they targeted Muslim drug gangs.

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That'd be conjecture to do so. The evidence available supports my statement.

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Muslims aren't a race :)

I'd be very surprised if those sorts of people didn't try and embed themselves in those kind of positions given the access they give to children, what you'll find in most of those searches is lone predators not rings committing crimes for decades with their victims ignored because of the religion of the perpetrators

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Another stabbing on the railway today; sadly this time it was fatal:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-46763150

Let's hope that this isn't a new style of terrorism that's emerging.

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There’s no indication at all that’s it’s terrorism any more than the other 40 000 knife crimes that happen in England and Wales each year.

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The things he shouted whilst he was doing it (in Manchester) suggested it was another attack linked to Islam and the couple involved have said that they do not want the incident to divide or create tension between different groups.

Having said that he's been detained under the Mental Health Act, so any links to Islamic terrorism may turn out to be nothing more than a manifestation of his mental illness.

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Yet you wish to posit that is the case.

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The suspect has just been arrested.

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What??

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That's good, this must be a terrible time for his family.