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RichardCoulter 01-11-2018 21:08

Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
The UK Government will not enforce the ban on mobile roaming charges for British citizens travelling in the EU after Brexit, a cross-party committee of MPs has warned.

The EU's ban on mobile roaming charges for voice, text messages and data has meant using a smartphone on the continent is the same cost as using it at home. But the House of Commons EU Scrutiny Committee said in a report that this is unlikely to remain in place for the UK following withdrawal.

It will mean that network operators will be the ones to decide whether to re-introduce roaming charges on UK customers, following their abolition last year across the whole EU.

UK consumers will also not benefit from proposed price caps for international calls between EU countries, due initially to be set at 16p a minute for calls and 5p for a text message.

The EU decided to introduce the cap after finding that telecoms companies were charging mark-ups for international calls that were "not justifiable", said the report.

"It is probable that mobile roaming charges – abolished on an intra-EU basis – will return, and that, even where they do not, increased wholesale roaming costs incurred by UK providers may be passed on to UK consumers indirectly," the cross-party committee warned.

"Post-exit, consumers should consider the roaming policies of their mobile operators extremely carefully before signing new contracts or using roaming services, as there will be potential for roaming charges much higher than those which preceded the EU's latest regulatory intervention to be applied."

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-a8609271.html

jfman 01-11-2018 22:28

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
I’ve not paid roaming charges in the EU since long before the ban. Vodafone, and others, have offered roaming for years on some tariffs.

Hopefully idiots start running up bills of hundreds of pounds though, subsidises the service for those who aren’t stupid enough to not understand our tariffs. Good news for investors too.

Stephen 02-11-2018 09:44

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Vodafone and a couple of other networks have already stated they will NOT be reintroducing roaming charges for the EU.

To be honest any UK mobile network would be silly to try and add them again. they would loose too many customers.

also there are many networks that have free roaming in USA, Canada, Australia and a few other countries.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/0...obile_roaming/
Quote:

The government would pass legislation to ensure that charges remained capped £45 and the usage alerts will remain. It will, however, not legislate to prevent surcharges and instead pointed to the promises of the kindly telco operators that customers aren't about to get gouged.

The Register spoke to the UK's four biggest operators for their thoughts on the matter.

EE told us that it offers "inclusive roaming in Europe and beyond, and we don't have any plans to change these offers" and O2 said it has "no plans to change our roaming services across Europe".

Vodafone were unable to resist reminding us that it was the first UK operator to abolish EU charges and that it had "no plans to introduce these charges" while Three's position remains that it will continue "allowing our customers to continue using their usual allowances when they travel within the EU".


Having no plans to reintroduce charges is, of course, quite different to promising that charges are not going to make a reappearance.

RichardCoulter 02-11-2018 11:47

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
That's good to know for those who use this service.

When i'm abroad I usually just buy a local PAYG SIM for the duration; I can't understand why others don't do this.

Hugh 02-11-2018 12:38

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968966)
That's good to know for those who use this service.

When i'm abroad I usually just buy a local PAYG SIM for the duration; I can't understand why others don't do this.

Because for EU countries, we don't need to, and non-EU countries I've paid between £2 and £5 per day for unlimited data and normal text/call allowance (I've done this in Dubai, USA, Australia, recently).

Not having to worry about data usage (for maps, tourist information, bookings, check ins, etc.) makes it more than worth it for me.

ymmv

Stephen 02-11-2018 13:34

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968966)
That's good to know for those who use this service.

When i'm abroad I usually just buy a local PAYG SIM for the duration; I can't understand why others don't do this.

As there are no EU roaming charges now, why would you need to do that now?

RichardCoulter 02-11-2018 13:51

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
When it's not a EU country.

bubblegun 02-11-2018 14:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968966)
That's good to know for those who use this service.

When i'm abroad I usually just buy a local PAYG SIM for the duration; I can't understand why others don't do this.

Problems with 2-factor authentication, most services use text messages so you'd need to swap your SIM back to use this.

Stephen 02-11-2018 15:25

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35968992)
When it's not a EU country.

Some networks offer a fixed charge per day to use your home allowances.

RichardCoulter 02-11-2018 16:19

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35968998)
Some networks offer a fixed charge per day to use your home allowances.

Never knew that, i'll bear that in mind.

Stephen 03-11-2018 09:34

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Posts deleted. Please all stick to the topic at hand and don't get personal. That goes for everyone!

Mr K 03-11-2018 12:00

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It's bizarre that out of all the Brexit issues people see this as high on their list of priorities, it's the least of our worries.

RichardCoulter 03-11-2018 21:14

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
I think it could be a deal breaker with young people, but otherwise I don't think it will be the highest concern for most people.

pip08456 03-11-2018 21:23

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969146)
I think it could be a deal breaker with young people, but otherwise I don't think it will be the highest concern for most people.

The problem here Richard is that you put it forward as fact without anything to back it up.

There is absolutely nothing to suggest that roaming charges will return.

If you have evidence that they will then please present it.

RichardCoulter 03-11-2018 23:40

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
It's been said that it's likely that they will return.

Hugh 03-11-2018 23:54

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969158)
It's been said that it's likely that they will return.

By whom?

pip08456 04-11-2018 00:09

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35969159)
By whom?

I await Richards reply before further comment.

Hugh 04-11-2018 01:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35969162)
I await Richards reply before further comment.

Well, the U.K. mobile operators, and the EU, don’t think it will change...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45064268
Quote:

Of course, just because the operators might be allowed to reintroduce roaming charges, it does not necessarily mean that they will do so.

Three has "committed to maintain the availability of roaming in the EU at no additional cost following Brexit".

Vodafone said it was too soon to assess the implications of Brexit on roaming regulation, but added it expected competition to continue to drive good value for customers and that it currently had no plans to change its roaming charges.

EE also said it had no plans to introduce charging and called on the government "to put consumers at the top of their agenda in the Brexit negotiations to help ensure that UK operators can continue to offer low prices to our customers".

And O2 said: "We currently have no plans to change our roaming services across Europe. We're engaged with the government with regards to what may happen once the UK officially leaves the EU."
So, Three, Vodafone, EE, and O2 have no plans to change it - who does that leave?

Paul 04-11-2018 01:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969158)
It's been said that it's likely that they will return.

Its been said the moon is made of cheese, that doesnt actually make it true ;)

jfman 04-11-2018 02:05

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969158)
It's been said that it's likely that they will return.

You might be wrong. Networks will balance their situation with potential losses.

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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35969168)
Its been said the moon is made of cheese, that doesnt actually make it true ;)

:D:D:D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969146)
I think it could be a deal breaker with young people, but otherwise I don't think it will be the highest concern for most people.

You entering the realm of thinking and attributing conclusions on the basis of this worries me.

I am grateful however that it’s a demonstrable fact Virgin have capacity for more than one HD channel. It stops this forum being derailed by false statements.

Stephen 04-11-2018 09:28

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969158)
It's been said that it's likely that they will return.

Even though I provided evidence to say that the 4 big networks will not be changing anything.

RichardCoulter 04-11-2018 10:20

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35969159)
By whom?

MP's.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35969184)
Even though I provided evidence to say that the 4 big networks will not be changing anything.

Mp's are saying that these charges will likely make a return, whilst you provided evidence to the contrary.

Hugh 04-11-2018 10:21

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969191)
MP's.

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Mp's are saying that these charges will likely make a return, whilst you provided evidence to the contrary.

Which MPs?

pip08456 04-11-2018 10:29

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969191)
MP's.

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Mp's are saying that these charges will likely make a return, whilst you provided evidence to the contrary.

Name just one who has stated that.

RichardCoulter 04-11-2018 10:33

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Take a look at the link in post #1, the discussion stemmed from this scrutiny committee warning.

Maggy 04-11-2018 10:36

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If members are going to report posts for abuse please ensure those posts are actually abusive under the T&Cs.

Mick 04-11-2018 11:28

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Enough. If this topic does not get back on track it will be closed and the persons responsible for it's closure, dealt with accordingly.

Hugh 04-11-2018 14:01

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35969191)
MP's.

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Mp's are saying that these charges will likely make a return, whilst you provided evidence to the contrary.

Actually, what they said was
Quote:

The government has said that UK mobile operators were not believed to have any current plans to change their approach to roaming after Brexit.

But the committee warned that this "may not be sustainable" as EU providers will be free to increase the wholesale charges they apply to British-based networks.

"There may be an incentive for them to do so, as more UK consumers holiday in the EU27 than vice-versa, and UK consumers are more inclined to use large amounts of roaming data when abroad than their European counterparts," said the report.

"If this comes to pass, higher operating costs will either have to be absorbed by mobile operators or passed on to consumers in one form or another - for example, higher wholesale roaming charges could be passed on to consumers through higher overall prices, rather than through the reintroduction of roaming charges."
So, prices may increase, but roaming charges will probably not return, according to MPs...

RichardCoulter 04-11-2018 20:00

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
So it looks as though those that use this service will end up paying for it one way or another.

Still, whose to say that the companies aren't indirectly recovering their losses from no longer being able to levy roaming charges anyway.

It's good to see that the scrutiny committee was cross party as it hopefully kept out any Brexit politics from their conclusion.

Stephen 04-11-2018 20:20

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Well it's still hear say right now. Annual RPI increases happen but nothing to say prices will definitely increase outside that.

12noon 10-11-2019 16:56

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
We fly out to the canaries in December and expect that our Virgin mobile phones will still be able to use the data we pay for in our monthly bill. As far as i know, nothing has changed and nothing will change in the near future.

Paul 10-11-2019 17:27

Re: Roaming charges look set to return after Brexit.
 
Well nothing will change in December since we'll still be in the EU ...


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