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richard s 01-11-2018 21:04
Tracy Crouch resigns as Sports Minister
 
Tracey Crouch is my MP for Chatham and Aylesford and has resigned as Sports Minister. She is a very nice lady and does her job very well for her constituents but unfortunately she is a Conservative MP.



https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

denphone 01-11-2018 21:19
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No surprise as she was pretty unhappy with the fixed odds betting terminals delay.

Damien 01-11-2018 21:51
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I don't understand why the Government delayed it. It was a popular policy, supported across the house. Now they look bad and lost a well thought of Minster for what?

denphone 01-11-2018 22:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35968902)
I don't understand why the Government delayed it. It was a popular policy, supported across the house. Now they look bad and lost a well thought of Minster for what?
Bookmakers have a powerful lobby thus that is why it has been delayed sadly.

Pierre 01-11-2018 23:16
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Never heard of her..........don’t care...............

Angua 02-11-2018 07:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35968905)
Bookmakers have a powerful lobby thus that is why it has been delayed sadly.
One of the other problems with the political system. Too much influence by wealthy groups deciding policy.

denphone 02-11-2018 08:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Angua (Post 35968936)
One of the other problems with the political system. Too much influence by wealthy groups deciding policy.
Power and money corrupt..

Maggy 02-11-2018 09:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35968917)
Never heard of her..........don’t care...............
Then why comment?

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I have a great deal of respect for her stance on this. It's something that needs addressing urgently.

denphone 02-11-2018 09:33
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Its nice to see a MP sticking to their principles because they ain't a lot of politicians out there who do.

nomadking 02-11-2018 09:47
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1) Nobody is dragging people off the streets and forcing people to use them.
2) There is already a form of cap in place as there is a limit to how much you can win in any particular "play". You can only bet as much which would possibly win you £500.
3) What is the nonsense about "crack cocaine betting machines" just because it is possible to gamble £100 every 20 seconds? How many people do that? Then you actually have to have the money to be able to do that in the first place.
4) There is not exactly a shortage of other methods of gambling and they often can also be done with high stakes and frequently.

papa smurf 02-11-2018 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35968938)
Power and money corrupt..
Depends on how much you win at the bingo;)

denphone 02-11-2018 10:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35968951)
Depends on how much you win at the bingo;)
Not a lot as we don't go that often back home.

OLD BOY 02-11-2018 10:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35968902)
I don't understand why the Government delayed it. It was a popular policy, supported across the house. Now they look bad and lost a well thought of Minster for what?
It was just to give the industry time to adjust. It was just a practical measure, but you can understand those who want to change things immediately because of the human cost.

denphone 02-11-2018 10:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35968960)
It was just to give the industry time to adjust. It was just a practical measure, but you can understand those who want to change things immediately because of the human cost.
The industry has had more then enough time to adjust as they knew this was coming years ago but they chose to base a lot of their business models on FOBT's because of the huge profits it brought in.

tweetiepooh 02-11-2018 11:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35968948)
1) Nobody is dragging people off the streets and forcing people to use them.
2) There is already a form of cap in place as there is a limit to how much you can win in any particular "play". You can only bet as much which would possibly win you £500.
3) What is the nonsense about "crack cocaine betting machines" just because it is possible to gamble £100 every 20 seconds? How many people do that? Then you actually have to have the money to be able to do that in the first place.
4) There is not exactly a shortage of other methods of gambling and they often can also be done with high stakes and frequently.
Once a newsagent had a copy of the gaming machine industry magazine on the shelf and I remember some of the articles including
  • "remote" access to the machine so payout can be adjusted within limits - e.g. better payouts for your regulars/mates
  • psychologists to work out patterns to hook players and keep them playing
  • having non-payout machines that could be placed where young people could play them (not gambling, no controls) to get them used to playing so they would use real gaming machines later.
As someone who was hooked on the older fruit machines I know how easy it is to make just one more play. And bookies have little incentive to control punters playing beyond keeping their license and general goodwill.

These machines are now even worse with bigger stakes and faster plays and no human to say "enough".

I'd also like to see advertising for gambling banned or more strictly controlled. Treat the same as tobacco or alcohol advertising and sponsorship.

nomadking 02-11-2018 12:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35968964)
Once a newsagent had a copy of the gaming machine industry magazine on the shelf and I remember some of the articles including
  • "remote" access to the machine so payout can be adjusted within limits - e.g. better payouts for your regulars/mates
  • psychologists to work out patterns to hook players and keep them playing
  • having non-payout machines that could be placed where young people could play them (not gambling, no controls) to get them used to playing so they would use real gaming machines later.
As someone who was hooked on the older fruit machines I know how easy it is to make just one more play. And bookies have little incentive to control punters playing beyond keeping their license and general goodwill.

These machines are now even worse with bigger stakes and faster plays and no human to say "enough".

I'd also like to see advertising for gambling banned or more strictly controlled. Treat the same as tobacco or alcohol advertising and sponsorship.
From Parliamentary briefing paper dated 23rd Oct 2018.
Quote:
At the then Government’s request, the ABB commissioned research to assess the effectiveness of the November 2003 code of practice in providing protection against problem gambling and to measure and explain levels of problem gambling amongst FOBT users. The subsequent report by Europe Economics was published in April 2005.
...
1.8.2 Problem gamblers characteristically participate in a variety of forms of gambling, and it has not been statistically possible through this research to identify any one form of gambling as causing or aggravating problem gambling. There is no evidence in this study which suggests that FOBTs are closely associated with problem gambling.
...

A June 2006 follow-up report said that FOBTs were “not more associated with problem gambling than any other form or forms of gambling”.
Quote:
In a June 2013 letter to the Secretary of State, the Commission set out its formal advice on the triennial review.42 On gambling-related harm, the Commission observed:
...
The Commission acknowledged that there was a “serious case” to answer in relation to B2s but said a precautionary reduction in stakes was “unsupported by the available evidence”
Quote:
In December 2016, GambleAware commissioned further evaluation of the Regulations. This was at the request of the RGSB.
The research was published in January 2017. The authors concluded: “Generally, our findings do not support the proposition that nudging players towards lower stakes mitigated harm or made play more responsible.” In attempting to mitigate harm, they said it might be optimistic to focus on stake size while neglecting other elements of players’ “choice architecture” such as speed of play or mechanism for paying.
What is this "remote access" meant to be? Is it merely because they are FIXED odds machines and if RANDOMLY there has been losses so the FIXED odds DICTATE that there has to be a winner soon in that time period? It's not like horse racing where it's possible to back a loser 100% of the time no matter how many times you bet.

Is there an actual fixed pattern to how they play out or was it merely a study to examine the POTENTIAL patterns?

Non-payout machines are NOT placed side-by-side with FOBTs. Young people are not even allowed into the premises with FOBTs.

Carth 02-11-2018 12:20
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I was always under the impression that 'remote access' was the clever name for playing gambling machines on phones, home computers, the (late night) TV etc, as opposed to playing a physical machine in a pub, bookies, casino and the like.

nomadking 02-11-2018 12:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35968977)
I was always under the impression that 'remote access' was the clever name for playing gambling machines on phones, home computers, the (late night) TV etc, as opposed to playing a physical machine in a pub, bookies, casino and the like.
Which are not to affected by changes of stake limits.


Personally I'm not particularly bothered either way. I'm just sick and tired of the constant ill-founded hysteria on one topic after another.

OLD BOY 02-11-2018 18:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35968961)
The industry has had more then enough time to adjust as they knew this was coming years ago but they chose to base a lot of their business models on FOBT's because of the huge profits it brought in.
Not really. You can't run a business on the basis of what might happen. The legislation was passed only recently, and it is only fair that businesses are given time to adjust.

denphone 02-11-2018 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969019)
Not really. You can't run a business on the basis of what might happen. The legislation was passed only recently, and it is only fair that businesses are given time to adjust.
Absolute rubbish as the bookmakers knew this was coming years ago and should have planned accordingly in their businesses so stop making excuses for them.

Mr K 02-11-2018 19:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969019)
Not really. You can't run a business on the basis of what might happen. The legislation was passed only recently, and it is only fair that businesses are given time to adjust.
6 months is long enough to adjust, this is all about getting extra revenue for the Treasury.

OLD BOY 03-11-2018 13:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35969024)
Absolute rubbish as the bookmakers knew this was coming years ago and should have planned accordingly in their businesses so stop making excuses for them.
We've known that Brexit has been coming for a couple of years, but industry is not prepared because they don't know the detail.

Many laws get proposed which do not get enacted. You can't expect industry to prepare for legislation that may not see the light of day.

denphone 03-11-2018 14:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969100)
We've known that Brexit has been coming for a couple of years, but industry is not prepared because they don't know the detail.

Many laws get proposed which do not get enacted. You can't expect industry to prepare for legislation that may not see the light of day.
This was in the offing before the Brexit referendum ever happened so making excuses because of that does not wash IMO.

OLD BOY 03-11-2018 15:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35969101)
This was in the offing before the Brexit referendum ever happened so making excuses because of that does not wash IMO.
It doesn't matter for how long this has been discussed. My point is, until the legislation passes through Parliament, businesses can't be expected to prepare for it. They might forgo investment until the direction is clear, but they are not going to respond with costly changes to their businesses until there is certainty.

Mr K 03-11-2018 19:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969112)
It doesn't matter for how long this has been discussed. My point is, until the legislation passes through Parliament, businesses can't be expected to prepare for it. They might forgo investment until the direction is clear, but they are not going to respond with costly changes to their businesses until there is certainty.
Don't worry about bookmakers too much OB, they'll be the last to go under ...

OLD BOY 03-11-2018 19:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35969127)
Don't worry about bookmakers too much OB, they'll be the last to go under ...
I'm not worried about them at all and I don't approve of betting. However, it's something we have to live with. Ban it and you will just send it underground.

denphone 03-11-2018 19:39
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It will never be banned l can assure you of that.

pip08456 03-11-2018 20:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35969134)
It will never be banned l can assure you of that.
It used to be until the government realised it was another source of income with betting tax.

Then a Labour government scrapped that then all of a sudden FOBT's sprung up along with TV and online betting, increased payouts in pubs etc.

nomadking 03-11-2018 21:10
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FOBTs return 97% of the money put into them. They are deliberately low margin devices.
From Parliamentary briefing paper dated 23rd Oct 2018.
Quote:
Changes to the taxation of gambling (i.e. the introduction of a gross tax on profits) came into effect in October 20012 and allowed the betting industry to introduce new lower margin products, such as roulette, to FOBTs.
This means that you will win if you keep playing. With gambling on something like horse racing, you can bet 1,000 times and lose each time.


Quote:
The ABB set out its position on B2s in more detail in an April 2013 paper. This claimed, among other things, that:
The average amount spent by customers on a B2 gaming machine is around £11 per machine per hour.
And 74% of B2 players play once a month or less which is hardly reflective of an addictive product. There is no evidence of a causal link between gaming machines and higher levels of problem gambling and the percentage of identified problem gamblers playing on B2 machines actually went down by 20-25% from 2007 to 2010…

pip08456 03-11-2018 21:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35969144)
FOBTs return 97% of the money put into them. They are deliberately low margin devices.
From Parliamentary briefing paper dated 23rd Oct 2018.
This means that you will win if you keep playing. With gambling on something like horse racing, you can bet 1,000 times and lose each time.
That's exactly what my brother thought and believed when he had a gaming machine (bandits) addiction.

I had to watch him put a full months pay into one of them because he just would not listen and was convinced he was winning until he had nothing left.

Over what period of time must his 97% be paid out? 1 week? 1 month? 1 Year?

Is the machine allowed to be changed for any reason before that percentage payout has been achieved and if it is repaired (if necessary) and placed in another location does it still have to remember what it has taken in before and give a big win in the new location?

Ever thought why machines (especially in pubs) are changed on a frequent basis?

nomadking 03-11-2018 22:16
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Just because 97% of any money is returned to players doesn't mean that it is you that it will be returned to.

pip08456 03-11-2018 22:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35969152)
Just because 97% of any money is returned to players doesn't mean that it is you that it will be returned to.
If you say so.

heero_yuy 04-11-2018 08:43
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It's a simple rule: The house always wins.

How else do people think they stay in business?

denphone 04-11-2018 09:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35969183)
It's a simple rule: The house always wins.

How else do people think they stay in business?
Indeed have you ever seen a poor bookmaker.

Maggy 04-11-2018 10:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35969112)
It doesn't matter for how long this has been discussed. My point is, until the legislation passes through Parliament, businesses can't be expected to prepare for it. They might forgo investment until the direction is clear, but they are not going to respond with costly changes to their businesses until there is certainty.
Well I suspect they have the funds readily available to reorganise said machines. Indeed if they haven't any contingency plans then they would appear to be a poorly run industry.

RichardCoulter 04-11-2018 22:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35969183)
It's a simple rule: The house always wins.

How else do people think they stay in business?
I sometimes go to a casino with friends, but never bet. I say to them that it's obvious that over time the house will always come out on top, or the business would not exist.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35969149)
That's exactly what my brother thought and believed when he had a gaming machine (bandits) addiction.

I had to watch him put a full months pay into one of them because he just would not listen and was convinced he was winning until he had nothing left.

Over what period of time must his 97% be paid out? 1 week? 1 month? 1 Year?

Is the machine allowed to be changed for any reason before that percentage payout has been achieved and if it is repaired (if necessary) and placed in another location does it still have to remember what it has taken in before and give a big win in the new location?

Ever thought why machines (especially in pubs) are changed on a frequent basis?
The official explanation from the companies that run them is that it's because players get bored of the same machine after a time and takings drop, meaning less money for themselves & the venue that they are placed in (most places don't own the machines themselves, they allow companies to put them into places in return for a profit sharing arrangement).

You raise some very interesting points, I might put them to our machine supplier and see what they say.

OLD BOY 05-11-2018 08:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35969189)
Well I suspect they have the funds readily available to reorganise said machines. Indeed if they haven't any contingency plans then they would appear to be a poorly run industry.
New legislation requiring industry changes or other implementation periods that may be necessary always allows for time to adapt. Some legislation is so complex it has to be introduced in stages and over a number of years.

tweetiepooh 05-11-2018 10:37
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Remote access - some pubs had a switch/dial behind the bar to adjust payout (or the facility could be available)

The house always wins - on pure chance the odds are below the actual chance of winning and games with "skill" where you can win, if you do win you get asked to stop. On a machine with say 97% payout even if totally even at say £1 a bet. You put in £100 and play away - the machine likely doesn't actually payout cash it apply winnings to your credit. After 100 goes you now have 97 goes and so on. Since you can lose not every go will return your credit, you may have won 97 credits on the 100th go. That's still 97% payout. That means you 97 credits won't get you to the next 100th go with it's 97 payout, you need to add 3 more so it's cost you £103 to have 97 more goes and so on. The things are more complex than that and will take from you more for less. And are designed to keep making you add another £3. If they are taking £100 a go, do you have enough to hit the next payout(s) to cover losses?

These machines make lots if money - at one employer with a bar it was only the fruit machine that made money, that was used to keep bar prices down. Even the few that did play the machine lost enough to fund the bar.

As already said whatever the payout it's not always going to be you that gets the payout. And the duration of the best is so quick you can easily put your profits back in in short order.

Carth 05-11-2018 11:34
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Does anyone here still play the National Lottery since they changed the format (extra numbers) a few years ago, and turned it into a massive 1 in 45 million chance of hitting the 6 number jackpot?

Their blurb about the changes stated punters get more chances of winning due to increased prizes . . which if I remember was simply a 'free ticket' to play again ;)

My memory isn't great, but I think that started out as once a week, which then increased to twice a week, followed closely by a plethora of instant win scratch cards and extra 'add on' games.

Paul 05-11-2018 20:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35969275)
Does anyone here still play the National Lottery
:wavey:


Btw, what is an FOBT :confused:

denphone 05-11-2018 20:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35969361)
:wavey:


Btw, what is an FOBT :confused:
Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35969365)
Fixed Odds Betting Terminal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed_...tting_terminal

denphone 12-11-2018 20:03
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Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson join FOBT rebellion.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...fobt-rebellion

Quote:
Theresa May’s government faces becoming the first to suffer a defeat on its own budget bill in 40 years after Tory MPs including Jacob Rees-Mogg, Boris Johnson and David Davis joined a rebellion over fixed-odds betting terminals (FOBTs).
Quote:
More than 70 MPs from both sides of the House of Commons have signed two amendments that, if passed, would effectively force the government to bring forward the timing of the planned cut in FOBT maximum stakes to April 2019.

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35970353)
Jacob Rees-Mogg and Boris Johnson join FOBT rebellion.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...fobt-rebellion
Let's face it, this has nothing to do with Mogg, Johnson and Davis having strong views on fixed odds betting....

OLD BOY 12-11-2018 20:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970361)
Let's face it, this has nothing to do with Mogg, Johnson and Davis having strong views on fixed odds betting....
So why do you think they rebelled?

Oh, sorry, it was a joke.

Mr K 12-11-2018 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35970362)
So why do you think they rebelled?
Have a guess OB? Possibly they don't agree with your view that bookmakers need more time/money, or they might just have an ulterior motive...

denphone 12-11-2018 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970361)
Let's face it, this has nothing to do with Mogg, Johnson and Davis having strong views on fixed odds betting....
One does not rebel if one does not have strong views about something.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970363)
Have a guess OB? Possibly they don't agree with your view that bookmakers need more time/money, or they might just have an ulterior motive...
That is obviously the case.

Paul 12-11-2018 21:47
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Most likely they just want to get one over May.

I doubt they even knew what a FOBT was a few weeks ago.

denphone 13-11-2018 18:44
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Theresa May is facing a mass resignation of ministerial aides.

https://news.sky.com/story/may-facin...tance-11553401

Quote:
Sky News has learnt that at least 12 junior government members have written to the chief whip Julian Smith warning they will join a growing Tory rebellion over the timing of a reduction of the maximum stake from £100 to £2.

OLD BOY 13-11-2018 19:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35970476)
Theresa May is facing a mass resignation of ministerial aides.

https://news.sky.com/story/may-facin...tance-11553401
It's about time she had a re-shuffle anyway, so this should help her.

Damien 13-11-2018 21:43
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This issue aside I think this country does need to look more at how pervasive gambling actually is here. Especially in sport. When you watch football it's almost every television advert, it's on the banners in the stadium, it's on the shirts of quite a few teams, it's even the stadium name for some of them and the biggest broadcaster of football games also has their own gambling services for which odds are shown during the broadcast (I think).

You go the highstreet and slowly each shop will be replaced by either a betting shop or a coffee shop. You pick up a newspaper and several adverts for betting in there too or a new mobile phone (from which you can bet in-play and right now!). It's crazy.

denphone 13-11-2018 21:52
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l think l remember someone talking the other day and apparently over half the clubs in the Premiership have betting firms as their part of their club sponsorship which l don't think personally is right on several counts.


Its like tobacco sponsorship was banned all those years ago but hence since all we have replaced it with is alcoholic companies and gambling companies.

Paul 13-11-2018 22:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35970476)
Theresa May is facing a mass resignation of ministerial aides.
While I dislike TM, I certainly hope she doesnt start giving into basic blackmail, aides can be replaced.

denphone 14-11-2018 06:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35970536)
While I dislike TM, I certainly hope she doesnt start giving into basic blackmail, aides can be replaced.
But given her weakness currently she might not have a choice.

denphone 14-11-2018 13:37
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Theresa May confirms, in the light of the amendment signed by Tory MPs, the £2 maximum stake will come into effect in April next year, not October.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

heero_yuy 14-11-2018 14:40
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She didn't have much choice as the opposition and the rebel Tory's would have savaged the finance bill in the commons.

The writing's been on the wall on FOBM's for some time so the betting industry has had warning on this.

denphone 14-11-2018 14:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35970652)
She didn't have much choice as the opposition and the rebel Tory's would have savaged the finance bill in the commons.

The writing's been on the wall on FOBM's for some time so the betting industry has had warning on this.
FOBT'S belong in casino's as the bookies should get back to the bread and butter of what they are known for which is horse racing , greyhounds and other sports.

Mr K 14-11-2018 15:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35970649)
Theresa May confirms, in the light of the amendment signed by Tory MPs, the £2 maximum stake will come into effect in April next year, not October.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live
Good time for MPs to change any other legislation they don't like. Just whisper the magic 'Brexit' word and your dreams will come true at the moment ;)

denphone 14-11-2018 15:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35970656)
Good time for MPs to change any other legislation they don't like. Just whisper the magic 'Brexit' word and your dreams will come true at the moment ;)
It does somewhat weaken ones position when you have a PM who's position is so weak currently.


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