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RichardCoulter 24-09-2018 06:41

Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Due to a shortage of disc space, my V6 deleted some episodes of a series that I haven't watched yet.

Will it automatically record them again when they are repeated, or will it treat it as already recorded/watched and thus ignore the repeat showings?

It's set to record new and reruns btw.

If not, I guess the only way is to set it to record everything and keep deleting the ones I've watched or already got recorded.

ozsat 24-09-2018 08:04

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
It does re-record repeats if they no longer exist on the box and were deleted something like at least a month ago.

RichardCoulter 24-09-2018 13:53

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Cheers, if that's the case then it should be ok.

I had thought that it might treat recordings that had never been watched (even partly) that it had deleted itself differently.

OLD BOY 24-09-2018 13:55

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35964251)
Cheers, if that's the case then it should be ok.

I had thought that it might treat recordings that had never been watched (even partly) that it had deleted itself differently.

Also, you may be able to bookmark the missing programmes right now if they are on demand still.

RichardCoulter 24-09-2018 14:05

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Thanks, but the programmes never go onto on demand unfortunately.

Raider999 24-09-2018 21:22

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35964254)
Thanks, but the programmes never go onto on demand unfortunately.


The recordings may be recoverable from the recently deleted area.

I assume you know you can keep recordings indefinitely by going to the recording choosing

more options
then select keep until
then keep until I delete

RobboEdin 24-09-2018 21:42

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35964310)
The recordings may be recoverable from the recently deleted area.

I assume you know you can keep recordings indefinitely by going to the recording choosing

more options
then select keep until
then keep until I delete

When the TiVo software deletes a real recording for space management, it is gone (as are all the deleted recordings which are deleted before any real recordings).

Raider999 25-09-2018 17:11

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35964315)
When the TiVo software deletes a real recording for space management, it is gone (as are all the deleted recordings which are deleted before any real recordings).


Ok, but I presume a recording marked 'keep until I delete' will not be deleted by TiVo software looking for space

Am I correct in thinking this?

RobboEdin 25-09-2018 17:21

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Yes KUID will stop a recording being deleted for space management reasons.
I, personally, would use it sparingly and certainly not set it as the default recording setting.

OLD BOY 25-09-2018 18:18

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
That's right, because if you did and you ran out of space, the V6 would not be able to record anything new.

Paul 25-09-2018 19:51

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964379)
That's right, because if you did and you ran out of space, the V6 would not be able to record anything new.

Well if you run out of space, something has to give, either previous recordings, or new recordings. Personal choice which you prefer.

RichardCoulter 25-09-2018 21:25

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
I would prefer it to simply stop recording like the V+ used to. Very recent programmes are likely to be on the repeat channels and/or catch up, whereas things that are months old are less likely to be.

I remember SP once saying that KUID should be used very sparingly, presumably because this would prevent new recordings.

Raider999 25-09-2018 23:29

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35964419)
I would prefer it to simply stop recording like the V+ used to. Very recent programmes are likely to be on the repeat channels and/or catch up, whereas things that are months old are less likely to be.

I remember SP once saying that KUID should be used very sparingly, presumably because this would prevent new recordings.

I use it all the time - in fact I would like to be able to set recordings to automatically do this (currently I have to manual change each recording)

My logic for doing this is much the same as yours

Joedm45 26-09-2018 11:20

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35964434)
I use it all the time - in fact I would like to be able to set recordings to automatically do this (currently I have to manual change each recording)

My logic for doing this is much the same as yours

Exactly my thought process too, I'd prefer to choose what is deleted when.

You can change the series link to KUID but cannot set it as default for new series links if that makes sense. Sounds like you're changing every recording. Will be a long task to do all but at least it's done and every recording afterwards is set as you want

OLD BOY 26-09-2018 14:31

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Joedm45 (Post 35964452)
Exactly my thought process too, I'd prefer to choose what is deleted when.

You can change the series link to KUID but cannot set it as default for new series links if that makes sense. Sounds like you're changing every recording. Will be a long task to do all but at least it's done and every recording afterwards is set as you want

I only use KUID for the very best of my recordings. I take the view that if some of my recordings that I do not flag up in this way drop off after a year or so because we haven't watched them, we would probably never get around to watching them anyway!

Having said that, I tend to do my own programme culls when the hard drive gets to 90% full!

spiderplant 26-09-2018 19:33

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35964474)
I only use KUID for the very best of my recordings.

That is exactly what you should do. KUID is badly named and does NOT guarantee that recordings won't get deleted - it just sets the deletion priority. If you set every recording to KUID you might end up losing an important one.

RichardCoulter 27-09-2018 00:17

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
That's useful to know and it is badly phrased isn't it.

I assumed that if the box was full and every recording marked as KUID, that it would simply stop recording new material- but that's clearly not the case!

At least I now know this though.

Raider999 27-09-2018 13:24

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35964506)
That is exactly what you should do. KUID is badly named and does NOT guarantee that recordings won't get deleted - it just sets the deletion priority. If you set every recording to KUID you might end up losing an important one.


KUID should do exactly that - if it doesn't then there is a fault in the software.

Mythica 27-09-2018 14:24

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35964506)
That is exactly what you should do. KUID is badly named and does NOT guarantee that recordings won't get deleted - it just sets the deletion priority. If you set every recording to KUID you might end up losing an important one.

Not trying to doubt you, but do you have evidence of this? If every recording is set to KUID I thought that it would just stop recording if the HD is full.

alwaysabear 27-09-2018 14:32

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35964602)
Not trying to doubt you, but do you have evidence of this? If every recording is set to KUID I thought that it would just stop recording if the HD is full.

If SP says its so you have to believe him! He has been dispensing invaluable advice and help on this forum for many years.

Mythica 27-09-2018 14:33

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35964604)
If SP says its so you have to believe him! He has been dispensing invaluable advice and help on this forum for many years.

While that is true, everyone can be wrong sometimes.

spiderplant 27-09-2018 17:53

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35964602)
Not trying to doubt you, but do you have evidence of this? If every recording is set to KUID I thought that it would just stop recording if the HD is full.

Here you go:
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/td-p/2375641

At that time there was another bug where it would delete far more recordings than necessary to make space, which made it really obvious when it happened. That bug is now fixed, but there is still the potential for small numbers of KUID recordings to be deleted if there is nothing else left for it to use.

To clarify my previous answer, it won't delete KUID recordings to make space for new recordings. But it will delete them to make room for other uses, such as the live TV buffers.

Mythica 27-09-2018 18:10

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35964631)
Here you go:
https://community.virginmedia.com/t5...s/td-p/2375641

At that time there was another bug where it would delete far more recordings than necessary to make space, which made it really obvious when it happened. That bug is now fixed, but there is still the potential for small numbers of KUID recordings to be deleted if there is nothing else left for it to use.

To clarify my previous answer, it won't delete KUID recordings to make space for new recordings. But it will delete them to make room for other uses, such as the live TV buffers.

So if all recordings are set to KUID, then it will stop recording new shows when you run out of space?

spiderplant 27-09-2018 18:36

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35964633)
So if all recordings are set to KUID, then it will stop recording new shows when you run out of space?

Yes, but some existing recordings might still get deleted

Mythica 27-09-2018 20:43

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35964641)
Yes, but some existing recordings might still get deleted

So it works how it's supposed to then.

Raider999 27-09-2018 21:14

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mythica (Post 35964663)
So it works how it's supposed to then.


Not really, I would not expect it to delete KUID recordings to allow live rewind.

Is it possible to turn live rewind off to prevent this happening?

spiderplant 27-09-2018 22:05

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35964671)
Is it possible to turn live rewind off to prevent this happening?

No

Joedm45 28-09-2018 14:09

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
I would suggest this is reported as a bug please if it hasn't already.

In my opinion if I haven't deleted it then the wording of 'Keep Until I delete' is wrong. It is more like 'Keep until V6 decides it needs the space and deletes it'

I must admit my hard drive is rarely over 30% so this shouldn't be an issue for me but someone will find it a problem.

RichardCoulter 05-10-2018 02:16

Re: Will the V6 automatically re-record shows after it deleted them itself?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35964671)
Not really, I would not expect it to delete KUID recordings to allow live rewind.

Is it possible to turn live rewind off to prevent this happening?

I wonder if tuning to an encrypted channel would effectively turn it off, or if it would record the underlying channel?

Tuning to a channel with an off air slate would simply record the slate, but probably not use as much disc space if you're about to run out completely. Tuning to a radio station would use even less.


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