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I said recently on this forum that there will be price rises as a result of the deal with UKTV.

I have been proved right. Prices are now going up - and customers are correct in complaining, and also planning on leaving VM.

VM simply cannot treat us a money machine.

They are NOT providing us with the entertainment packages that we need.

My broadband service is slow. Yet, CS have stated that it is the speed that we are paying for - and its the top one

I am not prepared to pay such an increase for the service - yes, we have Sky, and have the channels that VM doesn't have - ie SA.

We have the phoine and BB. But, my wages haven't gone up. So l am NOT prepared to bust my household budget because VM are being greedy

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prices were going up no matter what happened to UKTV channels as they do every year and not just on VM

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Correlation is not necessary causation.

I went outside earlier and it rained - me going outside didn’t cause the rain (to the best of my knowledge... :D )

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And when everything else goes up will you not be prepared to pay that either? Unfortunately most prices do rise, including Sky. At least with VM you may be able to negotiate a discount!

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...and in their statement, Virgin Media confirmed the increase is not due to the UKTV situation - it was coming despite that.

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The timing isn't coincidence. They wouldn't have dared announce an increase without a UKTV deal.

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They always go up, and you made this post just to tell everyone the obvious???

Let me tell you the obvious, prices will rise again next year and you will be just as annoying as you always are, i can't say anything stronger unfortunately.....

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Oh I dunno, if lightning came down, I could see that God was sending you a message and that it wasn't just co-incidental timing...;)

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Let's be honest, Arthur is clearly totally bonkers ( along with Mr K ) or VM are paying him to be controversial …………:)

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Price rises are inevitable - they go up every year and all the paytv and broadband providers do it.
VM's last price was last August, I think? So it is purely coincidental, they just wouldn't have dared announcing a price rise while they were dealing with the loss of UKTV - that really would have been a insult to injury if they had and their retentions agents were getting enough abuse as it was.

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The timing is exactly the same as last year.

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Only because VM have had to capitulate to UKTV, so they can announce their price rise on time ! They would have had to delay otherwise.

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em you don't know that at all could be other way round with UKTV losing £1m a week

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And VM losing in customers/extra discounts? A deal was done, in both parties interests, particularly needed by VM for their price rise/shareholders.

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I thought this might be a thread demonstrating that Virgin has capacity for more than one single HD channel to launch as is a myth perpetuated elsehwhere...

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Bollox!

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If anything, the UKTV dispute has delayed the price rise announcement when compared to last year. I imagine VM didn't want to announce a price increase on top of that!

Not sure if the effective date of the increase has been delayed though...

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Is it a myth or isn't it? I read that they have to turn off their old pace and V boxes to free up space in order to do it.

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That's a myth. There is not, and nor has there ever been, evidence to support there being space for a single HD channel. Media Boy agrees with this, as does spiderplant.

They are removing SD boxes although that has the primary function of reducing piracy (as affected Sky's SD hardware) through card-sharing.

In the longer term it will allow possibilities removing SD/HD variants, perhaps plus one channels (due to the number of tuners) and MPEG4 compression for some SD channels but that far longer term.

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Does anyone even use the old SD boxes? I would have thought that the cards would just become invalid...Sky just basically stopped them from being used and everyone had to update. But that was like years and years ago. (Almost a decade I think).

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Sky did not stop SD boxes operating a decade ago, indeed I believe some are still in use, although will not get the full range of services (obviously).

Lengthy discussion from another place last year

https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...ll-sd-channels

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Yeah, I don't think that is the case anymore...or it just doesn't apply to all? I dunno if it was to incentivize us never to use the SD set up but years ago, when we moved to HD, they just waved the HD fee altogether and hubby had like 4 or 5 old SD boxes that served no purpose.

When I say "operating" I believe they stopped any of the networks that go onto an SD viewing card from working but yes, you do get the basic free to air stuff. (On those boxes). Don't think that they can stop the signal to those boxes given that it comes through a sat dish and that belongs to the customer / just sits on the house and works unless damaged.

I think that they stopped supplying / selling SD boxes nearly a decade ago and last year they stopped selling HD boxes.

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Skyy continue to supply a pay-tv service to SD boxes to boxes in-service, as Virgin do. Your original statement is false.

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It can't...if that was the case, then Sky would have to provide working SD viewing cards as HD ones will not work on SD boxes. They have said that they no longer provide subscriptions through SD viewing cards.

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Sky no longer sell subscriptions on that basis, nor do Virgin.

However the legacy boxes have been maintained by both providers for basic services.

For Sky the viewing cards were the same in HD and SD boxes, it was the pairing technique that was compromised.

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Oh I don't doubt that the basic functions continue to work - the FTA networks etc. (And it would be near enough impossible to stop those). However what I am saying is that nobody can have anything else but that (on said boxes)...

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My understanding is that SD boxes on Sky still work for their pay-tv services. If they have been withdrawn from pay-tv then that would be very recent.

If they have withdrawn service to such boxes it calls into question why they still broadcast Sky Movies in standard definition.

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I think l have started a good thread here - and VM are not paying me to be controversial ha ha

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There was already a thread about the recently announced price rise and also a thread about UKTV.

Also per your opening post the price rise would have happened without the UKTV issue as it happens every year around this time.

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I'm astonished this thread has been allowed? Arthur price increases occur every year and often twice or three times a year. You cannot connect UKTV returning to it? You genuinely have no proof for this but your opinion?

I literally am staggered this has been allowed to get to two pages!!

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Three now...……...:D

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Try increasing your posts per page setting.

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Be thankful it's a modest increase. You could be living in Venezuela where inflation is tipped to exceed 1,000,000% per year. :erm:

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VM (Venezuela) will be increasing prices by 3,000,000% then ;)

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Wonder how many leave.

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So what are you going to do about it Arthur?

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Yes but even when a chicken costs millions/billions of Venezuelan euros it still only equates to £1.42

Might catch up with our prices before long.

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You can always vote with your feet, Arthur. Just bare in mind all of them raise their prices.

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Exactly..

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We're all quoting Reagan now, lol.

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Lets prove a point here.

How many members were complaining about VM increased there prices THREE TIMES last year. Yes, l was one of them.

Sky increase only once per year.

Not unless someone can prove me wrong

I believe its wrong when a company increases prices. And doesn't show any new channels. And +1s are not new channels are they.

Can you prove me wrong - yes, l am surprised that this topic has gone to three pages. And by the looks of it, it will go to four.

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The only point you have proven is you're still. :doh:

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True, but after VM recently encouraged their customers to look at what Freeview has to offer, some might find that this meets their needs. The channels currently on Freeview and/or Freesat actually offer more than I was paying for on pay TV at one point!

Also, to get around these constant price rises, some might go for a much cheaper streaming service option, where the starting price is lower to start with.

Unless you're a sports fan, the argument for paying for TV is getting weaker IMO.

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Agree with you there Arthur. And why if you are a sports fan go see or play the sport, it doesn't have to be watched on TV !

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I am, and I do go and watch my team, but like many others, I like to watch lots of different games from the premiership etc, and that's the main reason people subscribe to the sports channels.

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I currently get Netflix, Amazon Prime and Now TV ents+movies (got a great deal on Black Friday) so combined with Freeview which actually has a decent choice of 'casual watching' channels plus a few in HD, I have absolutely no interest in the expensive and limited TV packages that Virgin Media offer. OTA Pay TV is over as far as I'm concerned, I'm only interested in Broadband.