Cloud recording looks to be coming to VM.
 

The settlement of the long running dispute between VM and ITV contains an agreement to work together to enable recordings in the cloud.

To my knowledge, this is the first concrete indication that VM intend to follow this route.

Cable companies abroad have tried this in the past, but had to abandon it due to complaints from rights holders.

Maybe this is why the V6 didn't come with more recording space as many assumed and hoped it would?

What do people think about this? I think it seems like a good idea, my only concern will be that during internet outages we won't be able to access our recordings. At present, if the TV or BB services go down, at least we can watch recordings previously made.

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Maybe they will give you option to save to the box or the cloud or both.

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Well, if it can be done using the existing boxes, hopefully we will be able to still record to the V6 as well.

This way people would still have something to watch in case of the internet going down.

AIUI, VM telephony will be moved over to the internet, so, if the internet goes down, all three services would be affected :shocked:

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I guessing here but:
When they talk about recordings in the cloud, I don't think they actually record the program. They will just keep a record in your profile that you have marked a program as recorded. Access to recorded programs will be from a providers (i.e. ITV) central or regional library pointed to via your profile. These recordings will probably have an expiry date, perhaps 1 month or 1 year. TV companies or Virgin will have the ability to inject advertising into the program that you can't skip when playing back, which is possibly why the TV companies are warming to the idea!!!!

I not sure this correct but I surmising based on current technology and that 4+million customers with 1TB of storage each in the cloud is not going to be cheap, even if the data is de-duplicated? Just think about it, 4+million press record on Coronation Street at the same time or all record 6 programs at once, it would saturated the internet to the cloud!

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I believe you are right that the programme isn't actually recorded to the cloud. It is more a bookmark than a recording.

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Unfortunately, I am sure you are correct - not much good if it has time limitation - it will be just like on demand.

I saw a couple of minutes of a program a few months ago, it was the 3rd episode so I recorded the rest of the series and downloaded the 1st 2 from catch-up.

By time we got around to watching it the downloaded first 2 episodes had disappeared - not happy:td:

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I had assumed that only one copy would need to be made and that all customers would access the same copy??

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Yes, that's one thing I don't like about On Demand and why I prefer to record everything.

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It's probably on Netflix now!

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We don't know which programme though.

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Don't have Netflix and won't have it until it is free

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So spill then, what was the programme???

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Then you will never have Netflix :)

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Though I did read somewhere that Sky were to incorporate it into their add on packages. The author felt that it would be £5 in line with the others, which would be cheaper than the standard price if it comes to fruition.

If so, perhaps VM will follow suit??

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Yeah, I've had 2 trials of Netflix and wasn't overly impressed with it either time. The odd original or exclusive program/series but a whole load of repeats.

A bit like UKTV, really :-)

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Netflix has at least 9 original series to be released in August.

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How long ago was that? Netflix has loads of originals on it! Nothing like UKTV.

There are ALSO programmes that have been aired before, of course, but that means they are able to suit all tastes.

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First time was a couple of years back which dragged into a 6month trial. And again about 18months ago.

I was just left thinking it was fine for an extra £ or so a month but at £7 or whatever it was, no thanks.

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I would agree they have some good stuff but equally they have plenty of dross also.

I can just about justify the current price but won't pay to much more.

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What continually annoys me is when Netflix call something an Original when they had absolutely no part in production, they are simply the supplier of the show to a particular region. They could call it an Exclusive in that region, but Original is totally taking credit for work they didn't do.

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We have recording that are years old and occasionally still watch them.

I agree though that if in cloud there will be one recording bookmarked to all users. Currently the TiVo can do something like that so My Recordings can include both actual recordings and bookmarks to catchup and Netflix.

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Completely agree with that and there are plenty of titles like that.

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The BBC also do that all the time. It's still new and exclusive and possibly commissioned by Netflix or Amazon etc. They're broadcasters, not programme makers.

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The BBC also have a new name for a repeat - a reversion.

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Many of them aren't commissioned by Netflix.

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A programme maker might make a pilot, but they're not going to go ahead with a 23 episode series until somebody is prepared to pay for it. They might have been broadcast on a regular channel in the US, but it is Netflix paying for UK broadcasting.

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I didn't say they don't pay I said many of the Netflix shows were originally commissioned by someone else.

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You mean "Most" surely.

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True, but that doesn't take away from Netflix that they have a lot of good quality stuff on there.

To me, a Netflix Original is a programme on Netflix that hasn't been shown anywhere else before. I'm sure Netflix means it in that context. They don't claim to have made these programmes themselves, and the credits tell you who was responsible for making the programme.

When I see the words 'New Series', I don't automatically think the channel concerned made or commissioned the series - I just take it that the programme is the first of the series that has not been shown before in the UK.

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Does it even matter, though?

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At the moment no but when some of those broadcasters who originally commission content have more options open for distributing globally they are less likely to need Netflix.

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Sorry for going off topic with the Netflix annoyance...

On-topic...

I was wondering whether maybe it would work by Virgin at one of their headends recording all their feeds 24/7. And then allowing users, if they select to record something, access to VM's recording. They are clearly not going to have a separate recording for every user, it isn't practical or cost effective. And using the catch-up versions isn't recording.

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Hi everyone. New to this forum but hopefully it will have a lot of info to help me out with my new Virgin FTTP (RFoG) connection!

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That's what I was wondering too; they do it anyway for the majority of content on the PSB channels.

I once posed the question as to what the difference was between cloud recordings and VOD, to which Spiderplant replied "good question"! Maybe even recording will begin to look outdated, let alone linear television, as everything will be available via VOD and future STB's may once again no longer have the ability to record as if will be deemed surplus to requirements.

The main problem with this is the length of time that you have to watch the programmes and I note that the window is to be extended with the ITV deal. Of course, this system would further allow the broadcasters to control what you can watch and how long you can watch it for compared to the days of video tape recordings.

The law that allows home recording says that people can only keep recordings for 'timeshifting purposes' and for 'a reasonable length of time', so they will probably use this as an excuse for doing it.

I imagine that VM would simply use the current VOD facilities that the broadcasters send to them and negotiate to make them available for much longer. The rest may have to be recorded or agreements made for them to supply linear content in VOD form too.

Incidentally, an episode of something was missing from Catch Up the other week. The foreign call centre apologised and said that "VM had forgotten to record it"!! It conjured up visions of someone at VM frantically recording things with a load of VCR's and tapes everywhere, so at least it gave me a laugh. I really don't know where they get such people from who have so little understanding of the products that they sell, it's an embarrassment for the company.