Upstream traffic management scrapped
 

As of today, it appears that VM have scrapped upstream traffic management on all packages.

http://virginmedia.com/trafficmanagement

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Apologies, the correct link is: http://www.virginmedia.com/traffic

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Now that's interesting...

How handy, I'm up for renewal on my contract soon, I guess I can safely move off the 'Gamer' plan, now!

Tom

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So there is no shaping on newsgroups either?

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According to that link, it would appear not.

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If they have done this on the uploads then i cant see any chance now of getting an upstream upgrade soon on any packages.

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I'm actually surprised they didn't keep traffic management and up upload speeds to keep things in check.

From what I remember when they removed download STM, it was actually cost-saving - it was cheaper to just add capacity than run and maintain the infrastructure required to monitor and reduce people's speeds. It's probably a similar thing on the upload side of things.

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I think a big part of the removal of traffic management will be the changes to broadband advertising rules.

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I was wondering about this as well. However you don't really see upload speeds mentioned much anyway - so perhaps also a sign of Virgin increasing theirs?

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Other ISPs are apparently publicising their upload figures:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.ph...nd-speeds.html

I guess if Virgin do nothing, they run the risk of others running adverts saying "2x faster than Virgin Media's average upload so you can post more pictures online" or whatever, also if VM want to advertise upload speeds in the near future, they need to remove the traffic management now so that they can get a few months of test data at the better speed.

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Unlike all major rivals, the Virgin website clearly states the average upload speed on all broadband products

http://www.virginmedia.com/shop/broa...band-only.html

The 'other ISPs' in that article apparently being Plusnet/John Lewis. Can't seem to find any mention of the upload speed for the 10Mb offering though. Indeed looking at the Plusnet and John Lewis websites the upload speed isn't clearly mentioned for any product. This also seems to be the case for other ISPs too with Sky relegating upload speeds to the small print.


Virgin
54Mb/3Mb
108Mb/6Mb
213Mb/12Mb
362Mb/21Mb

Plusnet
10Mb/?
36Mb/ 9Mb
66Mb/ 18Mb

Sky
10Mb/0.7Mb
36Mb/9Mb
58Mb/18Mb

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With other ISp's offering around six times the upload speed on their lowest speed tiers, I think VM should seriously think about a major increase.

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Taf exactly, i really think 30mb should be a minimum on the 362mb tarrif.

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well they are continuously moving in the direction with capacity upgrades, speed upgrades and stm removal so who knows, maybe upload speed increase will be next and everyone will be realigned to 10:1. It would make sense once everyone is on 4 upstreams running qam64.

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Who is offering 6 x upload (so 6 x 20 = 120M) ?

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I think he meant 6 x on lowest tiers compared to Virgins lowest tiers.

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If 6x the upload at entry level, Sky, BT etc. would be offering a 10Mb connection with 18Mb to 36Mb upload


Entry level - Virgin 3Mb to 6Mb, Sky 0.7Mb
Mid tier - Virgin 12Mb, Sky 9Mb
Top tier - Virgin 21Mb, Sky 18Mb

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I don't think I will ever see qam64 because I have never had it on 2 upstreams.

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Perfect timing! Now to upload 4.5TB of data to Backblaze.. will only take 45 days now! :)

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Any whisperings about an upload increase?

Can't imagine Virgin are adding more channels for shits and giggles

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It will be to provide the extra capacity required for when they announce the docsis 3.1 rollout later this year and a 500/35 tier

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500 seems a bit unnecessary, but 35 would be nice, shame they don't let you pick and choose the up/downstream speeds.

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Nothing is ever unnecessary in the name of advancement.

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it is only unneccessary if they offer a speed which you cant really benefit from but I think these days most people will be pleasantly surprised. I like to get things downloaded asap even if it means my connection being idle 99% of the time and I love Steam purely for the speed when I get a new game. I would love to have 500mbits now just to see what Steam gives me.

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I'd take 500 in a heartbeat if it went up on sale anytime soon having stuff download faster would be great.

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I'd take proper gigabit any day of the week. It's laughable that we pay a relative fortune here for a couple of hundred megs, and my friends and colleagues in Romania pay €9 a month for unmetered symmetrical gigabit FTTP. By the time VM do roll out gigabit (let alone with any kind of decent upstream) it's going to be mainstream and 'meh' already, a bit like being told you qualify for 100Mbps today. Hopefully DOCSIS 3.1 rolling out lets them run away a little bit, rather than miserly stringing out the incremental updates.

In the meantime at least, I can finally say our local nodes are getting to where they should have been all along. I get the advertised speeds almost all the time (sometimes with troughs between 9pm and 11pm), and now the STM and upload caps / NNTP and other protocol throttling has gone, miraculously my VPN speed cap issues that are definitely-nothing-to-do-with-us-Sir have disappeared at exactly the same time. Funny, that.

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The problem is that unless you are one of the relatively few that can have fttp atm, nobody who is serviced by Openreach can come close to VM's speeds so as far as VM are concerned they are well ahead of the game. The most I can get through fttc is 53/13 yet I am on 400/20 with VM. Although you can argue it is the wrong attitude, there is such a difference between the tiers already that I am sure VM would look at it as they have already pulled all the customers who want the fastest speed so increasing it to 500, 750 or 1gbit atm is only going to cost more without providing any extra revenue.

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I used to be like you many years ago back in my dark ages but then as life goes i realised i had different priorities, so when the speed hit 100mbit i was happy with that especially now i don't really need to download much as i stream most of my stuff using Kodi Amazon Prime or Netflix, but IF the monthly cost really didn't matter to me and i didn't need to save that money for the future i would agree and get the fastest possible even if i didn't need it really. :)

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I only pay £41 for 350 so it's not a burden on me.

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My point being though is you're only 20 so in the future your priorities could easily change and i am sure you would have a financial limit of how high you would go before you think to yourself i should really be doing something else with this money and i can easily make do with xxx speed. :)

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Speeds aren't as important to me as they used to be and my uploads has never been hit by the STM but nice to see VM changing their rules

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I have been on either the Gamer 200 or 300 meg package throughout my time so was never really affected by STM. That said it is a good thing, I hope they boost the upload on their top package to 35Mb at some point in the future.

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I've found with some games that start to decompress the files as the download occurs that my CPU becomes the bottleneck. Maybe i'm due an upgrade :erm:

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back in 2014 I went from a dual core athlon which I had had for donkeys years (and was starting to become an issue) to an i7 and the difference was phenomenal. I won't pretend that I use it to its capacity now but on the odd occasion that I do you can see where it makes a difference. It just churns through stuff which you expect to takes ages and it is because it has 4 physical cores and 8 virtual.

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Mines a i7-4770 so whilst 3+yrs old now it's not exactly a slouch.
Problem is upgrading it means going to DDR4 and 16GB isn't exactly cheap at the moment.

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Snap, although when i got mine it came with 16gb