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Gavin-D 21-05-2018 12:22

Wifi Issues
 
Posted in another thread but it may be seen better here my Wifi is constantly dropping out over the past few days how does the data below look?

Downstream bonded channels

Channel Frequency(Hz) Power (dBmV) SNR (dB) Modulation Channel ID

1 299000000 -0.5 40.3 256 qam 21
2 323000000 -1.2 40.3 256 qam 24
3 315000000 -0.9 40.3 256 qam 23
4 307000000 -0.5 40.3 256 qam 22
5 291000000 -1 40.3 256 qam 20
6 283000000 -1.9 40.3 256 qam 19
7 275000000 -1.5 40.3 256 qam 18
8 267000000 -0.5 40.3 256 qam 17
9 259000000 -0.5 40.9 256 qam 16
10 251000000 -0.5 40.9 256 qam 15
11 243000000 -0.9 40.9 256 qam 14
12 235000000 -0.9 40.9 256 qam 13
13 227000000 -0.5 40.9 256 qam 12
14 219000000 -0.5 40.3 256 qam 11
15 211000000 -0.7 40.3 256 qam 10
16 203000000 -0.9 40.3 256 qam 9
17 195000000 -0.7 40.9 256 qam 8
18 187000000 -0.5 40.3 256 qam 7
19 179000000 -0.9 40.3 256 qam 6
20 171000000 -1.2 40.3 256 qam 5
21 163000000 -1 40.3 256 qam 4
22 155000000 -0.7 40.3 256 qam 3
23 147000000 -0.7 40.9 256 qam 2
24 139000000 -1.5 38.9 256 qam 1

Upstream bonded channels

Channel ID Frequency(Hz) Mode Power (dBmV) Modulation Channel Bandwidth(Hz) Symbol Rate (ksps)

89 53700000 ATDMA 41.5 64 qam 6400000 5120
88 25800000 ATDMA 41.5 64 qam 6400000 5120
87 32600000 ATDMA 41.5 64 qam 6400000 5120
86 39400000 ATDMA 41.5 64 qam 6400000 5120

vm_tech 21-05-2018 13:12

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Your levels are fine. You need to ascertain if it’s the connection dropping, or as your title says the WiFi. WiFi seems to be the used word nowadays covering everything, as if it’s only wifi dropping the levels are irrelevant. Also the lights on front the hub give info as well. I’ve never really worked with hub 3 so can’t tell you much about the lights but I’m sure others can!

SnoopZ 21-05-2018 13:17

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vm_tech (Post 35947544)
Your levels are fine. You need to ascertain if it’s the connection dropping, or as your title says the WiFi. WiFi seems to be the used word nowadays covering everything, as if it’s only wifi dropping the levels are irrelevant. Also the lights on front the hub give info as well. I’ve never really worked with hub 3 so can’t tell you much about the lights but I’m sure others can!


The lights on the hub3 don't give any info in router mode, as there is only the white bar at the bottom and the other 2 show up in modem mode or when it's booting.

Setup a thinkbroadband monitor, this will show when your wired connection drops or whether you have a WiFi issue.

General Maximus 22-05-2018 22:53

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35947535)
Posted in another thread but it may be seen better here my Wifi is constantly dropping out over the past few days

those power levels are nothing to do with the wifi and only affect the shubs connection to the VM network. Wifi is handled by a completely different part of the shub and it is possible for the wifi to drop and the shub still retain its wan connection. As an example, any devices which have a wired connection to the shub will maintain their internet connection and be completely oblivious to any wifi drop outs. The wifi connection solely relates to the wireless connection established between the device (e.g. laptop) and the shub.

Gavin-D 25-05-2018 14:32

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35947701)
those power levels are nothing to do with the wifi and only affect the shubs connection to the VM network. Wifi is handled by a completely different part of the shub and it is possible for the wifi to drop and the shub still retain its wan connection. As an example, any devices which have a wired connection to the shub will maintain their internet connection and be completely oblivious to any wifi drop outs. The wifi connection solely relates to the wireless connection established between the device (e.g. laptop) and the shub.

That's what the issue was/is the desktop is fine as that is connected by cable but the laptops on wifi drop out

General Maximus 25-05-2018 14:58

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Did you reboot the shub. You arent the first person to have this problem and a reboot gets it going again although it is a temporary fix and will happen again. If it continues to happen you'll have to ring 150 and ask for a new shub. It is a known issue so you shouldnt have a problem getting a new one.

Gavin-D 25-05-2018 15:36

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35948002)
Did you reboot the shub. You arent the first person to have this problem and a reboot gets it going again although it is a temporary fix and will happen again. If it continues to happen you'll have to ring 150 and ask for a new shub. It is a known issue so you shouldnt have a problem getting a new one.

I did reboot the hub but the weather has turned over the past few days so I haven't managed to spend enough time outside to give it a good test the issue doesn't happen indoors

SnoopZ 25-05-2018 16:19

Re: Wifi Issues
 
So if it is just outside you should consider getting a router which should give you a stronger signal if you use it outside often.

Gavin-D 25-05-2018 18:01

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35948006)
So if it is just outside you should consider getting a router which should give you a stronger signal if you use it outside often.

What one/s would you suggest for the best performance?

SnoopZ 25-05-2018 18:57

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35948016)
What one/s would you suggest for the best performance?

General will be able to offer advice on that.

General Maximus 25-05-2018 18:58

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35948004)
I haven't managed to spend enough time outside to give it a good test the issue doesn't happen indoors

well that's a different story. There is a difference between the shub dropping the wifi signal to all devices and nothing being able to connect at all and problems with range/interference. If you move out of range of the shub and the client loses its signal it isn't the shub's.

As always with problems like this the best solution is to buy your own proper router. The shubs are free which means they are entry level low performance routers. You probably aren't going to like this but I always recommend Asus routers and this is the best you can get for wifi coverage. Your other option depending how much coverage your need with regards to multiple floor in your house plus outside is to go for 3 lower end routers and use mesh wifi.

heero_yuy 25-05-2018 19:05

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Quote from General Maximus:


As always with problems like this the best solution is to buy your own proper router.
Can't fault that advice. Our Buffalo WiFi router covers the whole of the property, the garden and at full speed. Unfortunately it's only 100Mbs so will soon need an upgrade.

You have to remember that the ISP's kit is the minimum needed.

Gavin-D 25-05-2018 19:10

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Thanks for the input all just browsing around would anyone recommend wifi extenders? like the one below

http://www.argos.co.uk/product/2801939

General Maximus 25-05-2018 19:23

Re: Wifi Issues
 
nope, they bring their own problems with them because they run over the electrical wiring/circuit in your house

Gavin-D 25-05-2018 19:29

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by General Maximus (Post 35948027)
nope, they bring their own problems with them because they run over the electrical wiring/circuit in your house

Thanks

Gavin-D 26-05-2018 16:04

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Got to try it for a few hours this afternoon and it didn't drop out once. Will have to see how it goes.

Gavin-D 01-11-2018 21:00

Re: Wifi Issues
 
4 Attachment(s)
Just digging this thread out again

Wifi is struggling with around 55/4 on the 100mb pack

Ethernet is around 80/5

Does everything look ok below?

Hom3r 04-11-2018 18:02

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35947545)
The lights on the hub3 don't give any info in router mode, as there is only the white bar at the bottom and the other 2 show up in modem mode or when it's booting.

Setup a thinkbroadband monitor, this will show when your wired connection drops or whether you have a WiFi issue.


How do you do this, I've seen people posting but never found out how?

SnoopZ 04-11-2018 18:47

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35969224)
How do you do this, I've seen people posting but never found out how?

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broad...toring/quality

---------- Post added at 18:47 ---------- Previous post was at 18:04 ----------

Did you get it working Homer? If your graph is all ready you need to enable 'respond to ping' or whatever it is called on your router.

heero_yuy 05-11-2018 09:16

Re: Wifi Issues
 
When you've got the graph prepared you're offered several copy and paste options. Use the "BB code" one. It's quite long but does put the graph neatly in this thread.

The version is suitably obfuscated so as not to reveal personal information.

ianch99 05-11-2018 12:01

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 35968904)
Just digging this thread out again

Wifi is struggling with around 55/4 on the 100mb pack

Ethernet is around 80/5

Does everything look ok below?

Seems ok to me but you should not get just 80/5 wired. It should be just over 100/5 I think. I am on the 350/20 package and I get 384 down and 20.9 up.

The other thing that may be a factor is contention on your cable. You can see this clearly on the BQM graph if you set this up.

It should look like this with no contention i.e. flat 24x7

https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2018/11/1.png

If you see peaks in the evening times then you may be being impacted by contention. Please post a link to the live graph if you can?

SnoopZ 05-11-2018 13:24

Re: Wifi Issues
 
It won't look like that unless on the latest firmware .608, which will mostly be yellow with a Hub3 on 24 down stream channels.

When you download something also expect yellow spikes.

ianch99 05-11-2018 15:54

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35969296)
It won't look like that unless on the latest firmware .608, which will mostly be yellow with a Hub3 on 24 down stream channels

Same principle should apply i.e. a raised "bell curve" shape for the (blue) average latency in the peak periods.

Hom3r 08-11-2018 18:40

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35969225)
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broad...toring/quality

---------- Post added at 18:47 ---------- Previous post was at 18:04 ----------

Did you get it working Homer? If your graph is all ready you need to enable 'respond to ping' or whatever it is called on your router.

It's been a very busy few days so will try shortly

Hom3r 09-11-2018 21:19

Re: Wifi Issues
 
I've got it running, will check tomorrow.

Gavin-D 06-08-2019 12:37

Re: Wifi Issues
 
2 Attachment(s)
Issues again this time with the hub randomly rebooting 2 days running. It was fine until VM updated it yesterday and now it's terrible.

Does the below look ok?

Downstream bonded channels
Channel Frequency (Hz) Power (dBmV) SNR (dB) Modulation
Channel ID
1 299000000 0.2 40 256 qam 21
2 139000000 0.5 40 256 qam 1
3 147000000 1 40 256 qam 2
4 155000000 0.9 40 256 qam 3
5 163000000 0.7 40 256 qam 4
6 171000000 0.7 40 256 qam 5
7 179000000 0.7 40 256 qam 6
8 187000000 1 40 256 qam 7
9 195000000 0.7 40 256 qam 8
10 203000000 0.4 40 256 qam 9
11 211000000 0.5 40 256 qam 10
12 219000000 0.7 40 256 qam 11
13 227000000 0.7 40 256 qam 12
14 235000000 0.4 40 256 qam 13
15 243000000 0.2 40 256 qam 14
16 251000000 0.2 40 256 qam 15
17 259000000 0.4 40 256 qam 16
18 267000000 -0.5 40 256 qam 17
19 275000000 -0.5 40 256 qam 18
20 283000000 -0.4 40 256 qam 19
21 291000000 -0.2 40 256 qam 20
22 307000000 0.2 40 256 qam 22
23 315000000 -0.2 40 256 qam 23
24 323000000 -0.5 40 256 qam 24


Downstream bonded channels
Channel Locked Status RxMER (dB) Pre RS Errors Post RS Errors
1 Locked 40.3 5 0
2 Locked 40.9 5 0
3 Locked 40.3 3 0
4 Locked 40.3 5 0
5 Locked 40.3 5 0
6 Locked 40.9 0 0
7 Locked 40.9 0 0
8 Locked 40.3 6 0
9 Locked 40.3 4 0
10 Locked 40.9 6 0
11 Locked 40.9 6 0
12 Locked 40.3 0 0
13 Locked 40.9 5 0
14 Locked 40.3 0 0
15 Locked 40.9 0 0
16 Locked 40.9 0 0
17 Locked 40.9 5 0
18 Locked 40.3 0 0
19 Locked 40.9 5 0
20 Locked 40.9 5 0
21 Locked 40.9 10 0
22 Locked 40.3 6 0
23 Locked 40.9 5 0
24 Locked 40.3 0 0

SnoopZ 06-08-2019 12:45

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Downstream is fine what about your Upstream?

Edit, saw the images, that is also fine.

Gavin-D 06-08-2019 12:48

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36005096)
Downstream is fine what about your Upstream?

Edit, saw the images, that is also fine.

Strange why it's randomly rebooting then

The speed is fine topping out at 112mb on a wired connection

SnoopZ 06-08-2019 13:02

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 36005097)
Strange why it's randomly rebooting then

The speed is fine topping out at 112mb on a wired connection

112 is slow if you expect 150 and you're meant to get more than what you pay for unless you have capacity issues in your area.

Gavin-D 06-08-2019 13:26

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36005102)
112 is slow if you expect 150 and you're meant to get more than what you pay for unless you have capacity issues in your area.

I'm on 100mb :)

SnoopZ 06-08-2019 13:27

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin-D (Post 36005108)
I'm on 100mb :)

Speeds fine then, i got the 150mb from your profile. :)

Gavin-D 06-08-2019 13:51

Re: Wifi Issues
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 36005109)
Speeds fine then, i got the 150mb from your profile. :)

That all needs updating ;)


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