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Ken W 06-05-2018 15:23

Ethernet not working
 
Ethernet not working so I tried a new Ethernet cable that I had on my laptop so I know that cable works but still no internet, Wi-Fi is ok.

I fitted a second pci internet card and selected that but still no internet connection.

Any ideas?

SnoopZ 06-05-2018 15:34

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Have you installed the drivers?

Ken W 06-05-2018 15:37

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946074)
Have you installed the drivers?



Yes but I will reinstall the drivers.

alanbjames 06-05-2018 20:43

Re: Ethernet not working
 
switch your hub/router off if u have just plugged it to the new ethernet card and leave 30 secs and switch back on, it may need to assign a new ip address to the new mac address.

Ken W 07-05-2018 05:56

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35946098)
switch your hub/router off if u have just plugged it to the new ethernet card and leave 30 secs and switch back on, it may need to assign a new ip address to the new mac address.



I will try that out

Ken W 07-05-2018 08:15

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alanbjames (Post 35946098)
switch your hub/router off if u have just plugged it to the new ethernet card and leave 30 secs and switch back on, it may need to assign a new ip address to the new mac address.



I have performed that procedure but still no luck, of coarse the network card that tried may be faulty.

SnoopZ 07-05-2018 12:12

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Did your issue start after doing the Windows 10 1803 update? If it did and you need ethernet then try rolling back to the previous version until your issue get fixed if you cant find the fix online.

Check the link below for a possible fix.

https://www.drivethelife.com/windows...indows-10.html

Ken W 07-05-2018 12:35

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946132)
Did your issue start after doing the Windows 10 1803 update? If it did and you need ethernet then try rolling back to the previous version until your issue get fixed if you cant find the fix online.

Check the link below for a possible fix.

https://www.drivethelife.com/windows...indows-10.html


It happened about 5 days ago

SnoopZ 07-05-2018 14:51

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946134)
It happened about 5 days ago

But did you install the update, it was a huge update?

What about the link i provided that may fix your issue?

Ken W 07-05-2018 16:01

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946136)
But did you install the update, it was a huge update?

What about the link i provided that may fix your issue?

No I did not install any updates.


The Win 10 was installed by the OEM and there are no restore points to roll back.

SnoopZ 07-05-2018 17:29

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946139)
No I did not install any updates.


The Win 10 was installed by the OEM and there are no restore points to roll back.

I would consider installing the creators update that came out last week if you haven't already, it is version 1803 and should be offered to you by windows update if it hasn't already been installed.( you need to find this out)

Ken you still haven't said if you tried the fixes on the link i gave you? You're not giving out any useful information on your replies so it is difficult for anyone to help you.

Ken W 07-05-2018 18:12

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946144)
I would consider installing the creators update that came out last week if you haven't already, it is version 1803 and should be offered to you by windows update if it hasn't already been installed.( you need to find this out)

Ken you still haven't said if you tried the fixes on the link i gave you? You're not giving out any useful information on your replies so it is difficult for anyone to help you.


The security software on my laptop blocks the that site ( not the pc that I am having probs with the Ethernet card).

SnoopZ 07-05-2018 19:03

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946147)
The security software on my laptop blocks the that site ( not the pc that I am having probs with the Ethernet card).

Try this link from Microsoft, have you looked to see which version of Windows you're running yet, because if you're not upgraded to the latest then updating may fix the issue?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nection-issues

This link may also help if you can open it.

https://thewindowsplus.org/ethernet-...on-windows-10/

pip08456 07-05-2018 20:12

Re: Ethernet not working
 
If it's never updated or set any restore point since you bought it then take it back as there is obviously something wrong. All OEM should have auto update set and large enough disc space set aside for restore points even with a large W10 update.
Why did you ask earlier how to turn off auto update if you've never had any?

BTW my security blocks the site do to it promoting downloading driver talent to fix the issue which is a scam. It'll do a scan for you, indicate a few outdated or missing drivers and ask you for money to fix them. The free version of driver booster will fix the main ones anyway. Just don't accept any of the extras it offers and uninstall it afterwards.

Ken W 07-05-2018 21:06

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946154)
Try this link from Microsoft, have you looked to see which version of Windows you're running yet, because if you're not upgraded to the latest then updating may fix the issue?

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...nection-issues

This link may also help if you can open it.

https://thewindowsplus.org/ethernet-...on-windows-10/



I tried those two links but they did not help so I did the 1803 update, (took a long while) but still no Ethernet.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946159)
If it's never updated or set any restore point since you bought it then take it back as there is obviously something wrong. All OEM should have auto update set and large enough disc space set aside for restore points even with a large W10 update.
Why did you ask earlier how to turn off auto update if you've never had any?

BTW my security blocks the site do to it promoting downloading driver talent to fix the issue which is a scam. It'll do a scan for you, indicate a few outdated or missing drivers and ask you for money to fix them. The free version of driver booster will fix the main ones anyway. Just don't accept any of the extras it offers and uninstall it afterwards.



The OEM is no longer in business.

SnoopZ 07-05-2018 22:30

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Does device manager have a !!! On the ethernet devices?

It is very strange you have tried 2 ethernet cards and still doesn't work.

Have you tested ethernet on the other computer using the same port on the modem?

pip08456 08-05-2018 00:44

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Don't tell me you are trying to run a Tiny computer on windows 10!

Who's the OEM Ken? It shouldn't really make a difference. Then again it could be why they went bust!

Ken W 08-05-2018 04:37

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946194)
Don't tell me you are trying to run a Tiny computer on windows 10!

Who's the OEM Ken? It shouldn't really make a difference. Then again it could be why they went bust!


it is a Intel core DUO, ASUS motherboard with 8 meg RAM plus a ASUS video card met all the requirements to run Win 10. The company who went bust was VivaTech was based in Leathhead area.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946177)
Does device manager have a !!! On the ethernet devices?

It is very strange you have tried 2 ethernet cards and still doesn't work.

Have you tested ethernet on the other computer using the same port on the modem?


I have plugged the Ethernet cable into another pc and that works ok.

SnoopZ 08-05-2018 09:06

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946205)
it is a Intel core DUO, ASUS motherboard with 8 meg RAM plus a ASUS video card met all the requirements to run Win 10. The company who went bust was VivaTech was based in Leathhead area.

---------- Post added at 04:37 ---------- Previous post was at 04:35 ----------




I have plugged the Ethernet cable into another pc and that works ok.

In my opinion it is always good to have system restore switched on so you can always roll back incase of issues with a good chance it could fix something like this.

If you can't fix it you may have to nuke the system and do a clean install unless you want to take it into a repair shop.

Or if you want a faster system consider spending on a new one?

tweetiepooh 08-05-2018 09:38

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Try and get a live Linux DVD/CD - some are really very small downloads and can be burnt to CD or USB. Boot from that and see if Ethernet is still broken. If so then it hints towards something hardware. If it works in Linux but not Windows it hints to something in Windows.

Linux sounds scary but many now look similar to Windows and live DVD/CD will boot into the OS and likely offer a nice easy way to launch Firefox. At this stage we are simply ruling out hardware. If it doesn't work in Linux we can possibly assist in using Linux tools to debug the issue but most expertise here will be Windows.

SnoopZ 08-05-2018 10:42

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35946217)
Try and get a live Linux DVD/CD - some are really very small downloads and can be burnt to CD or USB. Boot from that and see if Ethernet is still broken. If so then it hints towards something hardware. If it works in Linux but not Windows it hints to something in Windows.

Linux sounds scary but many now look similar to Windows and live DVD/CD will boot into the OS and likely offer a nice easy way to launch Firefox. At this stage we are simply ruling out hardware. If it doesn't work in Linux we can possibly assist in using Linux tools to debug the issue but most expertise here will be Windows.

Good idea for the Linux test, this will tell Ken for sure if it is Windows or hardware.

Ken W 08-05-2018 12:21

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946215)
In my opinion it is always good to have system restore switched on so you can always roll back incase of issues with a good chance it could fix something like this.

If you can't fix it you may have to nuke the system and do a clean install unless you want to take it into a repair shop.

Or if you want a faster system consider spending on a new one?


Some thing I must consider

Carth 08-05-2018 15:43

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Might seem silly (and it's often the silly things) but . . how many ethernet ports are on the PC rear, and are you plugging into the right one?

May be an idea to start from scratch, remove and refit to ensure things are correctly settled into their slots?

Look for simple errors before getting into complicated areas ;)

Ken W 08-05-2018 16:36

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35946252)
Might seem silly (and it's often the silly things) but . . how many ethernet ports are on the PC rear, and are you plugging into the right one?

May be an idea to start from scratch, remove and refit to ensure things are correctly settled into their slots?

Look for simple errors before getting into complicated areas ;)


I have re fitted the card in the slots on the mother board several times to ensure that it is seated ok.


One Ethernet port on the mother board and another on the Ethernet card I have fitted.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35946252)
Might seem silly (and it's often the silly things) but . . how many ethernet ports are on the PC rear, and are you plugging into the right one?

May be an idea to start from scratch, remove and refit to ensure things are correctly settled into their slots?

Look for simple errors before getting into complicated areas ;)


I think that I have found a USB to Ethernet Adaptor from Clasohson Article number 38-3732.

heero_yuy 08-05-2018 18:15

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Assuming the system information is showing the adapter as correctly configured, try from the command line (cmd) ipconfig

This will show if the adapter is active and if it has been granted an IP address in your network.

Ken W 08-05-2018 19:43

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35946290)
Assuming the system information is showing the adapter as correctly configured, try from the command line (cmd) ipconfig

This will show if the adapter is active and if it has been granted an IP address in your network.



This is the results of ipconfig




:\Users\Ken>ipconfig
Windows IP Configuration
Ethernet adapter Ethernet:




Media State . . . .. . . . . . . : Media disconnected
Connection-specificDNS Suffix . :


Ethernet adapter Ethernet 2:
Media State . . . .. . . . . . . : Media disconnected



Connection-specificDNS Suffix . :

SnoopZ 09-05-2018 10:35

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Still no luck with this Ken? Whats your next move, reinstall Windows or treat yourself to a new computer?

heero_yuy 09-05-2018 10:57

Re: Ethernet not working
 
The "media disconnected" message can have a couple of meanings: Either the cable really is disconnected or DHCP has been disabled.

ipconfig /all

will report the DHCP status of all the adaptors amongst a shedload of other stuff. If it says "no" then you'll need to re-enable DHCP.

It's possible that an update has changed this setting for the wired connection particularly if you were using WiFi at the time.

I'm not running W10 so I can't tell you where this setting is.

Ken W 09-05-2018 12:05

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35946354)
The "media disconnected" message can have a couple of meanings: Either the cable really is disconnected or DHCP has been disabled.

ipconfig /all

will report the DHCP status of all the adaptors amongst a shedload of other stuff. If it says "no" then you'll need to re-enable DHCP.

It's possible that an update has changed this setting for the wired connection particularly if you were using WiFi at the time.

I'm not running W10 so I can't tell you where this setting is.


It says DHCP is enabled

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946352)
Still no luck with this Ken? Whats your next move, reinstall Windows or treat yourself to a new computer?



At the moment I am checking the bank of State pensions see if I can afford a new PC.

SnoopZ 09-05-2018 13:14

Re: Ethernet not working
 
I would try the Linux test as suggested and if that works then you know the issue is with Windows so you could then clean install which should hopefully fix your issue.

heero_yuy 09-05-2018 13:30

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Given that the PC is showing that the interface is all running correctly, sounds to me more that the Superhub is not issuing an IP to wired devices.

Try a reboot of the SH. You will probably need to issue an ipconfig /renew command on the PC.

This makes a DHCP request for a fresh IP number from the SH. This is normally done while the PC is booting up.

If still no joy log into the SH and check to see that it is being told to issue IP's to the wired part of the network.

HTH

If you're using your own router then you need to look at its settings rather than the SH

Ken W 09-05-2018 15:50

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35946366)
Given that the PC is showing that the interface is all running correctly, sounds to me more that the Superhub is not issuing an IP to wired devices.

Try a reboot of the SH. You will probably need to issue an ipconfig /renew command on the PC.

This makes a DHCP request for a fresh IP number from the SH. This is normally done while the PC is booting up.

If still no joy log into the SH and check to see that it is being told to issue IP's to the wired part of the network.

HTH

If you're using your own router then you need to look at its settings rather than the SH


If the wired connection works just fine on my laptop wired that shows the SH is working ok

Carth 09-05-2018 17:20

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946369)
If the wired connection works just fine on my laptop wired that shows the SH is working ok

good point.

so, what do we know so far . .

1) wired internet suddenly stopped working

2) a new card - with drivers - still doesn't work

3) wired works on a different PC using the same cables

logic points at the PC, could be a setting that is configured wrong, could be a motherboard fault.

If it's a motherboard fault how do we diagnose it?

Ken W 09-05-2018 18:42

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carth (Post 35946371)
good point.

so, what do we know so far . .

1) wired internet suddenly stopped working

2) a new card - with drivers - still doesn't work

3) wired works on a different PC using the same cables

logic points at the PC, could be a setting that is configured wrong, could be a motherboard fault.

If it's a motherboard fault how do we diagnose it?


I thick that I have come to the conclusion that the mother board is faulty, how I can prove it I do not know.

SnoopZ 09-05-2018 20:08

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946375)
I thick that I have come to the conclusion that the mother board is faulty, how I can prove it I do not know.


As mentioned you prove it using a Linux CD if it works on Linux then your PC is fine and it is a Windows issue which would likely get fixed with reinstalling it.

pip08456 09-05-2018 22:38

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Don't forget Ken, you don't need to install Linux, you can run it from DVD.

Details HERE

Ken W 10-05-2018 02:06

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946401)
Don't forget Ken, you don't need to install Linux, you can run it from DVD.

Details HERE



Link just goes to the tutorials.

pip08456 10-05-2018 07:13

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946405)
Link just goes to the tutorials.

I do apologise Ken, I didn't realise you knew what you were doing.

Ken W 10-05-2018 09:09

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946407)
I do apologise Ken, I didn't realise you knew what you were doing.


No I must say that I don't always know I am doing -)


Bring back Windows XP

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946401)
Don't forget Ken, you don't need to install Linux, you can run it from DVD.

Details HERE

A friend is bringing a linus DVD over to try it, he is a linus fan

pip08456 10-05-2018 14:02

Re: Ethernet not working
 
1 Attachment(s)
Aren't we all!

Ken W 10-05-2018 16:56

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946443)
Aren't we all!



I like the attachment :-)


My friend brought over a Linus DVD and my network cards do not work so that confirms it is my mother board at fault as I expected :-(


Many thanks to all that helped.


Ken

SnoopZ 10-05-2018 19:54

Re: Ethernet not working
 
You could always go wireless if you only want to spend a small amount or as you say ask the bank of pensions for a new pc.

Ken W 13-05-2018 09:29

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SnoopZ (Post 35946467)
You could always go wireless if you only want to spend a small amount or as you say ask the bank of pensions for a new pc.



The bank of pensions would not allow me to purchase a new pc so I purchase from Clasohson a USB Ethernet adaptor reference number 38-3732
View larger photo


for £18.99 and works just fine so problem solved.

pip08456 13-05-2018 11:00

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946678)
The bank of pensions would not allow me to purchase a new pc so I purchase from Clasohson a USB Ethernet adaptor reference number 38-3732
View larger photo


for £18.99 and works just fine so problem solved.

You were ripped off.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-3-0-t....c100005.m1851

SnoopZ 13-05-2018 12:01

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35946678)
The bank of pensions would not allow me to purchase a new pc so I purchase from Clasohson a USB Ethernet adaptor reference number 38-3732
View larger photo


for £18.99 and works just fine so problem solved.

Hope it gets you up and running again, report back.

Ken W 13-05-2018 12:04

Re: Ethernet not working
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35946683)



I did Goole it but I could get it in my local town which was more convenient


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