Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

After being treated by the NHS following an attack for injury to two fingers and a cut lip, he had the cheek to claim that the staff were negligent.

He lied and said that due to their negligence, amongst other things, he had suffered pain, lost his confidence and could not work as a result etc and wanted money for future loss of earnings and carers costs.

The NHS offered him £30,000, but this wasn't good enough for him as he wanted £836,000 out of them. The NHS became suspicious and, in the first case of this kind, put him under surveillance and investigation:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43925372

He then said that he wanted the original offer of £30,000! The trust said that this would now be used to cover most of their legal costs and that he still owed them £5,000 :D

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Not the first won't be the last some people are always looking to get money for nothing personally makes me sick the amount of money paid out to chancers in this country that ends up costing the majority in so many areas. I think it's time every case in all areas be subject to a thorough investigation that takes time once most chancers realise there will be no quick settlement we will see a drastic drop in such claims. As for this individual he attempted fraud and i hope he gets the book thrown at him make him a very public example and further deter similar ****.

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I hope he gets the maximum possible prison sentence. This would be a deterrent to others.

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If he hadn't been so greedy, he could've walked away with £30,000 and no trouble.

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Greed appears to be genetic with these people.

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Will we get our NHS money back from the B'stard.

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Thankfully he didn't end up getting anything, however, I do hope that they manage to recover the outstanding £5,000 still owed in legal fees.

He is due to be sentenced on 1/6/18.

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Tell me why this post is not racist?

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Which people, Richard?

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As per local knowledge, the family in question are alleged to be fraudsters. There's only you that has unnecessarily brought race into the discussion.

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Oh for gods sake talk about reading more into something i read it as meaning fraudsters nothing whatsoever to do with race maybe your the problem if you automatically saw race as the insinuation.

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You said ‘genetic’...

Do you have any links to this ‘local knowledge’?

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Apart from anything else, others in the family must have known what was going on.

Try watching a few factual TV series about fraud and you should get the idea.

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Exactly. Sounds like some are trying to collect a few PC brownie points, I thought the practice of looking for racism in everything ended in the 90's.

It's a pity other disadvantaged groups don't get this extra consideration, anyone would think that racism was more important than any other form of discrimination.

This man attempted to steal a huge amount of money from our NHS, yet all these two are concerned about is bringing race into it.

In addition, this case may still be sub judice.

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Heard on the grapevine that he's now in prison, odd as the BBC article says that he won't be sentenced until 1/6/18 :confused:

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Have you contacted the BBC to make them aware of their negligence or reporting error?

There is a link at the bottom of their news site you linked to for contact.

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Is that something you would normally do then?

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Pip's doing irony ;)

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It's only hearsay, so it's not been verified.

Thinking about it, I suppose it could be possible that he's being held on remand, so is actually locked up even though he hasnt been sentenced.

Given his dishonest behaviour, they probably don't trust him not to abscond.

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A bit like his "greedy" family then?

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No, I know this for sure. Assumptions are rarely true and never helpful.

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Know what exactly?

BTW, assumptions can often be true and, again, are often helpful ...

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It would not be appropriate to discuss my knowledge about this on a public forum. As previously explained to you, this information is not based upon an an assumption.

Assumptions are not based upon fact and should never be made in any situation.

In addition, it looks like he hasn't been sentenced yet, so this case may well still be sub judice.

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FWIW the article was published in April and said "due to be sentenced in..." which was doubtless correct at the time and may still be.
Good news if the sentencing has been brought forward. Personally, I'd like to see a bit of community service included for this type of offence.

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Richard, if you can’t back something up, you shouldn’t use "secret squirrel*" as a ‘get out of jail’ card...

If you have been told confidential information inappropriately, it doesn’t count..

*I know something, but can’t tell you because (fill in specious reasoning here)

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When mentioning this I didn't think for a moment that ianch99 would make such a meal of it to such a pedantic level and try to innappropriately bring the R word into the discussion.

I'm not prepared to discuss another person's private business without permission (even that of a criminal) or risk the safety of others for the sake of an internet discussion to satisfy his idle curiosity. His more recent posts appear to suggest that he could be developing a habit of baiting and trolling other posters.

In addition, if I were to speak about this in other than general terms, I could prejudice the whole trial and leave myself open to being in contempt of court.

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Thats true, the sentencing date may have changed since that was published on the internet, or he may actually be on remand whilst awaiting sentencing.

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Don't be so pompous. This forum deals with public information in the public domain. If you post articles referring to information in the public domain but then try and justify misinterpretation of your posts by citing "secret" knowledge, you are on a hiding to nothing.

Post facts and and argue the case. End of ... forget the, as Hugh correctly mentions, the "secret squirrel" rubbish.

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but ...

I guess you assume the sun will rise tomorrow? However, you have no proof ...

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I had you down as one of the more polite posters capable of reasoned and adult debate, it's not clear as to why this has changed. The way that you have started to speak to people has seriously deteriorated for some inexplicable reason, for example, I found the totally disrespectful way that you recently spoke to a member of admin to be absolutely shocking.

I again confirm that I will not be divulging information of a personal nature as this would not be appropriate, could put third parties at risk of harm and may well be a contempt of court. I cannot understand the motive of anyone trying to bring race into a discussion where it is wholly irrelevant, as opposed to condemning an attempt to fraudently gain £836,000 from the NHS.

My remarks were not an assumption, but are based on facts which you are not privvy to. I only expanded upon them after the reporting of my post led to admin asking me to. I did so in order that you would be reassured that there was no racial element. I say this as a former member of staff of the CRE. In this role I also gave speeches in front of members of the Government, including Lord Mackay, the former Lord Chancellor, who outranked the Prime Minister herself to lobby for better protection for disadvantaged groups.

If you are genuinely interested in this case, I suggest that you follow any further developments reported in the media, but you won't be finding anything out from me. That is assuming that you are not simply baiting/trolling in order to try and stir things up.

Hijacking this thread to try and virtue signal does not help the fight against racial discrimination. It's also a pity that you don't show the same concern for other disadvantaged groups when dealing, for example, with severely disabled people like myself. Perhaps disability doesn't give as many brownie points with the PC culture?

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You need to get down off that high horse, Richard. Saying how important you are and that you know information that you "cannot share" adds nothing to the debate.

You posted an article relating to a single individual of India ethnicity. No mention of any family let alone of their criminal activity. You then posted a remark mentioning greed in the context of genetics and people. There was only one way to interpret this remark in the context of your thread. I was actually in India at the time so your post was irritating to say the least.

I was not being "PC" or "trolling". I have a number of close friends who are Indian so was angered by your remark.

You then bring in disability into to this thread and accuse me of not showing concern for the disadvantaged. Shame on you.

Enough, let's get this back on topic ...

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Back in topic, in the Public Domain, sentencing/possible appeal has been adjourned until 1st June.

https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2018/0...im/#more-37544

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At no point have I said "how important" I am. It's you that started making false allegations about my character and I suggest that you now cease and desist.

It was you that made an error and, instead of accepting it with good grace, laboured the point afterwards.

The initial topic did not involve his family and there was no reason for them to be mentioned. After the post that you misinterpreted was reported, I was then asked by admin and confirmed this for you, but again confirm that I will not be divulging personal information to satisfy your prying as it would be as innapropriate as it could be a contempt of court and hinder the course of natural justice.

There has only you that has brought his ethnicity into the debate, nobody else believes it to be relevant.

My disability is relevant as I have made no secret of the fact that I have cognitive problems caused by brain injury, yet all you have to offer by way of support is discord coupled with false allegations.

You have still not condemned this man for fraudulently trying to obtain the largest amount on record from the NHS, instead preferring to focus on his race.

If you did but know it, this sort of behaviour does the left wing more harm than good.

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Thanks Hugh, so now we know that the 1st June was the correct date. His current imprisonment must be a result of bail being denied.

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I am speechless .. I do not know where to start .. so I won't.

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That's good to hear, when in a hole......etc.

Getting back to the salient point of the thread, this man attempted to defraud the NHS out of a massive £836,000.

What are your thoughts about this Ian?

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Richard, I have been told by someone who’s a close family friend (but can’t say who, because, you know, but they’re fairly senior in the Crown Prosecution Service in Yorkshire) that the person who told you things couldn’t have told you things that weren’t publicly available because that would have been illegal, breaching the DPA 1998 (giving out information about someone that was personal information but not in the Public Domain), or, if they were in Law Enforcement (Judges, Lawyers, Magistrates, Police, etc.), they would have been in breach of the Official Secrets Act 1989.

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Don't worry, no laws have been broken and it's staying that way.

Do you condemn this man for trying to steal from the NHS? I think it was a horrid thing to do.

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Good to know, and I’m glad you believe that.

I condemn theft by anyone from anyone.

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It's not a belief, it's factual.

It's good to see you finally condemn what this individual tried to do as opposed to focussing on unrelated issues.

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Richard, you appear to have me confused with someone who cares what you think of them.

Of all the people in the world I care about, an internet rando doesn’t even begin to be judged to get an invite for a spot on the waiting list to be considered for a preview for the application process to be deemed appropriate for inclusion.

Hope that helps...:tu:

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

What on Earth was all that in aid of?

I'm surprised at you Hugh.

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Perhaps he just finds you rather unpleasant :shrug:

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Whatever the reason, it's very disappointing to see him reduce himself to this level.

Adults should be able to debate in a polite and professional manner, perhaps he's had a bad day and sees someone in my circumstances as an easy target to vent his anger. I genuinely thought that he had more about him.

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I think you undermined yourself with post #5 Richard and it went downhill from there.

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Just checked and it's true that there was a minority of participants in the thread who (by fault or design) misinterpreted this post, but that's been cleared up now.

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And there you go again... :rolleyes:

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If you are denying this, what is the reason then?

The test would be to see if you normally speak to people like this, or if I am being singled out for this unpleasant treatment.

Do you not think it inappropriate to try to run rings around someone with a cognitive impairment as a result of a brain injury and expose them to snide, sarcastic and rude comments?

If you are having problems of your own (has the black dog reared its ugly head?), you know where I am if you ever need an understanding and confidential ear.

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While the misinterpretation of post #5 has caused some stupidity Richard you cannot use your personal circumstances as a shield against responses and your able to post with regularity so you must understand that your going to get hostility to your views on a public forum. I have an impairment i suffer from debilitating headaches current one is nearing three month's and that's totally irrelevant to my posting (apart from my spelling sometimes sorry about that guys) and certainly doesn't stop others from challenging my posts in whatever way they choose.

In an ideal world all debates would be balanced and conducted with politeness and thought but in the real world we live in your going to get all types of responses from all types of people so deal with it and move to another forum or thicken your skin.

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You're not being singled out by Hugh, he's unpleasant to everyone. ;)

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I'm sorry to hear that, that must be very difficult to live with. I often experience pain myself, but never constantly for three months at a time.

My main problem with posting is with my cognitive impairment as it effects various thinking & memory processes. Think of it as a computer with a virus, it will take much longer to process a command and even then may come up with the wrong answer!

I would expect people to be more understanding of this and certainly not to go out of their way to run rings around me, be obtuse and create needless hostility.

Equalities law also expects this too, so i'm really surprised that someone in a managerial position should behave like this. Disabled employees should be confident in expecting support as opposed to sanctimoneous negativity tinged with sarcasm when approaching management for help.

Having said that, we are all human and he may be facing issues of his own that are leading to this uncharacteristic behaviour.

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I've encountered a mixture of experiences.

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Equalities laws have gone too far in some respects causing not compliance with them but anger and frustration from many people whose language might be colourful but not malicious or hateful but fall foul of these overreaching laws. You and i differ massively in this respect you would prefer a veneer of sanitisation in how people talk and interact with each other while i prefer the warts and all approach to life and people. Laws are great they may punish after the offence but do nothing to protect you at the time, speech\hate crimes are pernicious imo and we are seeing it in the uneven application of those laws not to mention the ever greater police resources dedicated to those units at the expense of traditional policing.

There are way too many people these days who just can't seem to deal with the negatives of living and they want legal protections that they think will create a better nicer world when the truth is it does the opposite. We've become too damn comfortable and complacent as a society taking some thing's for granted and relinquishing personal responsibility to others to act on our behalf this hasn't made us better or stronger as a society it's made us weaker and it needs to stop.

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Occam’s Razor - it’s not your disability (which no one knew about until you mentioned it, but it hasn’t changed the style or tone of your postings), but just what and how you post that engenders a negative reaction - having a disability does not exempt you from critique if people believe you have posted inappropriately.

You have, in the past, threatened CF’ers with legal action, and when that hasn’t worked, you continually play the ‘victim’ card.

I have duty of care to employees (of which you are not one), but if any of them behaved the way you do, no matter if they had one of the nine protected characteristics, they would be having a conversation, with HR and the Union Rep present - the Equality Act 2010 does not give those protected by it carte blanche to be an arse, or equally use what could be perceived as discriminatory language (and no, saying ‘it’s been cleared up’ by denying what you said was meant to be discriminatory, but not explaining what you did mean by saying ‘it’s genetic with these people’ is not sufficient).

And being passive-aggressive by intimating that I may have mental health issues shows how hypocritical you are - whether I do, or do not, is none of your business, and how would you react* if people said that your postings and views were due to brain damage?

(*Probably with a threat of legal action)

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I don't understand why people can't just be kind to each other.

In the case of disability/illness, some might simply be being thoughtless or downright malicious as they regard disability as something that doesn't affect them.

Statistically, they will become disabled at some point in their life or someone close to them will, through disease, attack, accident or old age. At this time I hope that they reflect upon their past attitude/behaviour and come to a realisation.

Cognitive impairment increases the risk of dementia significantly, but as a population it's increasing anyway, as is cancer. If people aren't kind and thoughtful to the sick and disabled when they are well, they run the risk of learning from their mistakes at a particularly low point in their life. I've even known some believe it to be as a result of karma for past mistakes, particularly if it affects a loved one as opposed to themselves.

None of us know what's around the corner, this time last week a young man I know of was fit and healthy- a doorman and a boxer, but at this point in time he's in a mortuary.

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I always try and post with respect, courtesy and dignity.

You are obviously hurting for some reason, but this isn't the way to deal with it.

My efforts to be kind and helpful are being misinterpreted as something else, so let's just leave it at that.

All the best.

Re: Sandip Singh Atwal tries to steal £836,000 from our NHS.
 

Such a good post

My own thoughts on the original post were it was a trap (que admiral Akbar) probably to seek attention, the local knowledge secret squirrel stuff that followed just confirmed it for me.

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Most people are kind and decent but there are as there has always been a minority that prefer other approaches to dealing with people and there's nothing we can do about that but either fight back or ignore and give no response. We all have to live in the world as it is not how we would like it to be and laws are just not the way to go.

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You are over thinking this and are not helping the situation with your remarks. Looks like it's you that's the one doing the attention seeking (and trying to stir things up) in this thread.

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It would be great if there weren't these laws because they weren't actually needed. Like you say though, most people are decent, its the minority that try to cause needless problems.

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:dunce:

Oh yes I'm trying to stir things up, that's why I left it over 14 days before posting that, always someone else's fault isn't it, the problem never lies with you does it

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Interesting angle. I just took it at face value, as written :) More fool me ..

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You started stirring things up by trying to put words into Hughs mouth in post #41.

You've even set Ian off again now; it appears to me that you just didn't want to see things settle down as they were doing.

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I think we all need to take a step back relax for a bit and get back to the norm for a forum which is post your opinions and be prepared for them to be challenged by others with differing opinions and leave out the personal digs, insinuation of mental or physical state and just debate the opinions.

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Well, in a little over two weeks we shall find out how seriously the courts have taken the fraudulent behaviour of this particular individual. Let's hope that he gets a punishment befitting of the crime.

Many of us (me included) would not be alive today if it were not for our wonderful NHS; we literally owe our lives to it.

The funding provided to pay for it comes from employers, employees and the taxpayer in general and is intended to help the sick, disabled and others. It is not meant to provide the likes of Sandip Atwal with a life of luxury.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44336127