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Stuart 17-04-2018 10:18

The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43784251

There are, apparently, brothels operating with the full knowledge of the police. As long as the girls are kept safe, and not exploited, the Police will not close them down.

What do you think?

While I understand that people do have moral and ethical objections to brothels, and sex workers in general, I think that this is a good thing, and I think it should go further.

Brothels and Prostitution should be legalised. Then they can be licenced, and when they are licenced, the authorities can then start monitoring the girls to ensure they are not mistreated, that they are clean, and they don't rip off the customers.

After all, the industry will continue to exist, as there will always be people willing to pay, and if there are those willing to pay, there will be those who are willing to sell the act, and they may not have their girl's best interests at heart, after all, even if their girls are abused to the point they can no longer work or end up on heroin just to cope with their life, there are always fresh girls who can be exploited.

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 10:24

Re: The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35943916)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43784251

There are, apparently, brothels operating with the full knowledge of the police. As long as the girls are kept safe, and not exploited, the Police will not close them down.

What do you think?

While I understand that people do have moral and ethical objections to brothels, and sex workers in general, I think that this is a good thing, and I think it should go further.

Brothels and Prostitution should be legalised. Then they can be licenced, and when they are licenced, the authorities can then start monitoring the girls to ensure they are not mistreated, that they are clean, and they don't rip off the customers.

After all, the industry will continue to exist, as there will always be people willing to pay, and if there are those willing to pay, there will be those who are willing to sell the act, and they may not have their girl's best interests at heart, after all, even if their girls are abused to the point they can no longer work or end up on heroin just to cope with their life, there are always fresh girls who can be exploited.

I agree completely. As long as the prostitutes actually want to be in this line of work and are not forced into it, I really cannot see the objection. It might even stop the sex trafficking in this country, just as legalising drugs would take most drug crime off the streets.

Prohibition did not work in the US, but it seems that governments have yet to learn the lessons of what became obvious a century ago.

denphone 17-04-2018 10:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943918)
Prohibition did not work in the US, but it seems that governments have yet to learn the lessons of what became obvious a century ago.

You are right Prohibition was a complete and utter disaster in the States OB as there was a good series on PBS about it.

Quote:

In the 1920s the laws were widely disregarded, and tax revenues were lost. Very well organized criminal gangs took control of the beer and liquor supply for many cities, unleashing a crime wave that shocked the nation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States

RizzyKing 17-04-2018 12:01

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It's long past time that prostitution was legalised and while it's not a service I'd ever consider it's a service that many use and get a benefit from legalising it takes it out of the criminal sphere which can only be good and I'm sure an enterprising chancellor would find a way to tax it.

Mr K 17-04-2018 12:29

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Not sure many in the industry want it legalising because of the tax implications. Anyway the police are one of their main customers, so wonder they turn a blind eye !

pip08456 17-04-2018 12:34

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943947)
Not sure many in the industry want it legalising because of the tax implications. Anyway the police are one of their main customers, so wonder they turn a blind eye !

Why should a member of the oldest industry in the world not want it legalised, get the protection and pay taxes?

The extra tax revenue would more than pay for the NHS!;)

RichardCoulter 17-04-2018 19:01

Re: The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
I agree with each and every one of these posts.

As well as increasing tax revenue, many are claiming benefits too, which would be a further saving.

In addition, if it was legalised, there could be mandatory checks to prevent the spread of HIV and sexually transmitted diseases.

There would still be an element that would make sexual services available on the black market, but I think that decriminalisation or legalisation would vastly improve matters overall. Customers would then be foolish to use a non regulated prostitute as they would be exposing themselves to risks such as blackmail, diseases etc.

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 19:19

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35944026)
I agree with each and every one of these posts.

As well as increasing tax revenue, many are claiming benefits too, which would be a further saving.

In addition, if it was legalised, there could be mandatory checks to prevent the spread of HIV and sexually transmitted diseases.

There would still be an element that would make sexual services available on the black market, but I think that decriminalisation or legalisation would vastly improve matters overall. Customers would then be foolish to use a non regulated prostitute as they would be exposing themselves to risks such as blackmail, diseases etc.

I wonder if you could sell this to Theresa May? I think most can see the common sense in such a solution but there are too many politicians in the political parties who just can't bring themselves to agree with the principle! However, if TM promoted this, it would be interesting to see the reaction in Parliament. I think she would be doing a great service to women if she were brave enough.

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943947)
Not sure many in the industry want it legalising because of the tax implications. Anyway the police are one of their main customers, so wonder they turn a blind eye !

I don't think you are actually including the prostitutes themselves in that, Mr K! I think they would appreciate working in a safer environment.

TheDaddy 17-04-2018 20:25

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Presumably you'd all be happy with a brothel opening next door to you then or is it just other people that'll have to put up with and deal with the consequences of this common sense idea

RichardCoulter 17-04-2018 22:48

Re: The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
Most tend to use premises in residential areas at the moment, but it could be stipulated that licensed brothels must not be a nuisance to anyone in a residential area.

I'm not saying that I normally agree with prostitution from a moral point of view, but I think that a pragmatic common sense approach to the oldest profession in the world would be a lot better.

I know of a man who has a disabled wife who uses prostitutes for sexual relief. Without this, his marriage (and thus his caring role for his wife) may have come to an end. I also suspect that prostitutes prevent many cases of rape and sexual assault.

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 22:53

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35944042)
Presumably you'd all be happy with a brothel opening next door to you then or is it just other people that'll have to put up with and deal with the consequences of this common sense idea

Well, clearly that would not be acceptable. These places should never be allowed to operate in residential areas. There would need to be planning controls to ensure that these places were located appropriately.

pip08456 17-04-2018 23:47

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There are plenty of large stores closing down, empty shops on the high street etc which could be utilised as brothels.

1andrew1 17-04-2018 23:53

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35944066)
There are plenty of large stores closing down, empty shops on the high street etc which could be utilised as brothels.

I can see it now...
Brothels 'R' Us :D

Hugh 18-04-2018 00:31

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35944067)
I can see it now...
Brothels 'R' Us :D

Sex Toys R’Us...

RichardCoulter 18-04-2018 02:17

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:D:D:D

alanbjames 18-04-2018 03:06

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Where im living in Swansea theres a problem with prostitutes on the street corner. A number of us between 2 streets have asked police to move them on and nothing happens but ive heard off the record kind of thing the reason police let them operate is because they get information as to who deals drugs in the area.

RichardCoulter 18-04-2018 04:53

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With modern day prostitutes (particularly at the lower end of the market), drugs and prostitution often go hand in hand.

It's a vicious circle as they often say that they need drugs to be able to do it and that they do it to feed their drug habit. It's when those who use them intravenously share needles and have unprotected sex that the real problems begin...

RizzyKing 18-04-2018 08:25

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Personally the daddy I wouldn't have a problem with one opening next door to me though given the size of our houses it would be a very small one and we already have two ladies plying their trade on our road anyway. Legal approved brothels would drastically improve the circumstances of the women and men working in the sex industry (yes males prostitute as well as women) and bringing the safety of legalising this sector of the sex industry shouldn't be impeded by nimbyism which does too much damage in this country.

Maggy 18-04-2018 08:36

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I suppose we could ask Holland and Germany how it works for them?

https://fightthenewdrug.org/germanys...-horror-movie/

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8206511.html

OLD BOY 18-04-2018 13:43

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35944083)

The key to success lies in proper regulation, with strict licensing requirements and stiff penalties in place for pimps who force women to ply their trade on the streets, and with 'rehabs' for women who are prostituting themselves unlawfully.

There must be a well thought out regulatory environment and good enforcement in order for this to succeed, but with determination, I am sure our government could get this to work.

But will they even try? I doubt it.

Mr K 18-04-2018 18:27

Re: The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35944117)
The key to success lies in proper regulation, with strict licensing requirements and stiff penalties in place for pimps who force women to ply their trade on the streets, and with 'rehabs' for women who are prostituting themselves unlawfully.

There must be a well thought out regulatory environment and good enforcement in order for this to succeed, but with determination, I am sure our government could get this to work.

But will they even try? I doubt it.

Legalising brothels doesn't go down well with the Tory old dears at coffee mornings. However whatever politicians get up in their London flats away from the family, is a separate issue.... They need to put bromide in the House of commons tea and give them some real work to do.

RichardCoulter 18-04-2018 19:17

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Exactly, MP's are so hypocritical.

Examples include passing anti drugs laws, yet traces of cocaine have been found in their toilets, voting against gay equality laws, when it later transpired that some were gay themselves, bringing in the smoking ban, yet their bar is exempt ect.

pip08456 18-04-2018 19:49

Re: The brothels operating within view of the Police
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35944117)
The key to success lies in proper regulation, with strict licensing requirements and stiff penalties in place for pimps who force women to ply their trade on the streets, and with 'rehabs' for women who are prostituting themselves unlawfully.

There must be a well thought out regulatory environment and good enforcement in order for this to succeed, but with determination, I am sure our government could get this to work.

But will they even try? I doubt it.

Excuse me OB but please name any Government in the last 50 - 100yrs or more that has fulfilled this basic requirement.

RichardCoulter 18-04-2018 19:51

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I agree, I suspect that when voting, the electorate don't so much vote for a party, but for the least worse option!

denphone 18-04-2018 19:54

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35944172)
Excuse me OB but please name any Government in the last 50 - 100yrs or more that has fulfilled this basic requirement.

None..

RizzyKing 19-04-2018 07:42

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Yes MrK because only tory politicians use the services of prostitutes all parties are as guilty and none of them have the moral high ground on this issue sadly none of the parties have the common sense on this issue either.

Mr K 19-04-2018 09:24

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35944251)
Yes MrK because only tory politicians use the services of prostitutes all parties are as guilty and none of them have the moral high ground on this issue sadly none of the parties have the common sense on this issue either.

I said 'politicians', not Tory politicians.


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