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Arthurgray50@blu 16-04-2018 22:30

TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpar...crash-11333927

In my view, the ban and fine was not good enough. Even though McPartlin was fined £86.000. In my view the judge was too soft.

Drink driving is a serious offence. And someone could have been killed. Even pictures of him getting out for the car. He looked dazed.

The judge should have handed him a prison sentence.

if it is Joe Bloogs, they would have been banned and given 12 months.

Any other member agree or disagree. I read that the fine would only be 4.5 days pay for him.

Drink driving is one of the worst offences going and it ruins lives.

pip08456 16-04-2018 22:47

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
AFAIK it was a first offence so a one year ban appropriate compared to others.
Fines on the other hand IMHO should be all based on a percentage of income (above the base) to hit those with high earnings as much as those with lower.

MalteseFalcon 16-04-2018 23:09

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
No, he said it would take 4 to 5 days to pay, not that it was that amount of time to earn money. If there had been any serious injuries in the crash, I suspect a custodial sentence would have been handed down to him. As it is, a heavy fine and a ban plus a stint in rehab coupled with the downfall from grace will be sufficient punishment for him. I don't think Ant & Dec will be winning any NTA's next January.

pip08456 16-04-2018 23:59

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MalteseFalcon (Post 35943869)
No, he said it would take 4 to 5 days to pay, not that it was that amount of time to earn money. If there had been any serious injuries in the crash, I suspect a custodial sentence would have been handed down to him. As it is, a heavy fine and a ban plus a stint in rehab coupled with the downfall from grace will be sufficient punishment for him. I don't think Ant & Dec will be winning any NTA's next January.

From the article

Quote:

The star, who earns £130,000 a week
How many days to earn the fine? > 4. (assuming a 5 day week).

Kabaal 17-04-2018 08:31

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
You say that as though it's not a normal percentage but it is. People regularly only get fines of a few hundred quid along with their bans.

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 09:38

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MalteseFalcon (Post 35943869)
No, he said it would take 4 to 5 days to pay, not that it was that amount of time to earn money. If there had been any serious injuries in the crash, I suspect a custodial sentence would have been handed down to him. As it is, a heavy fine and a ban plus a stint in rehab coupled with the downfall from grace will be sufficient punishment for him. I don't think Ant & Dec will be winning any NTA's next January.

There will be no Ant and Dec.

Just Dec.

Stuart 17-04-2018 09:52

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35943861)
https://news.sky.com/story/ant-mcpar...crash-11333927

In my view, the ban and fine was not good enough. Even though McPartlin was fined £86.000. In my view the judge was too soft.

Drink driving is a serious offence. And someone could have been killed. Even pictures of him getting out for the car. He looked dazed.

The judge should have handed him a prison sentence.

if it is Joe Bloogs, they would have been banned and given 12 months.

Any other member agree or disagree. I read that the fine would only be 4.5 days pay for him.

Drink driving is one of the worst offences going and it ruins lives.

Actually, from what I read, he was sentenced under the same guidelines as anyone else. Guidelines which have been updated to make the fine a percentage of your income, which is better than a fixed fine, which unfairly persecutes poor offenders.


It is also worth pointing out that had he actually killed or injured someone, that would have been a far more serious offence, possibly attracting jail time.

Remember he also got banned for driving, which will hamper his career as a TV presenter. OK, so he can afford a driver, but that is extra cost he will have to pay. There is also the damage he has done to his own reputation, which will cost him.

He looked and sounded genuinely upset when he apologised. Yes, he could be an excellent actor, but having seen him in Byker Grove, I doubt he is that good.

I'm not defending him. He did a very stupid, wrong and potentially dangerous thing. But, I think he realises that and is sorry.

TheDaddy 17-04-2018 09:56

Re: Nor good enough in my view
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35943909)
Actually, from what I read, he was sentenced under the same guidelines as anyone else. Guidelines which have been updated to make the fine a percentage of your income, which is better than a fixed fine, which unfairly persecutes poor offenders.


It is also worth pointing out that had he actually killed or injured someone, that would have been a far more serious offence, possibly attracting jail time.

Remember he also got banned for driving, which will hamper his career as a TV presenter. OK, so he can afford a driver, but that is extra cost he will have to pay. There is also the damage he has done to his own reputation, which will cost him.

He looked and sounded genuinely upset when he apologised. Yes, he could be an excellent actor, but having seen him in Byker Grove, I doubt he is that good.

I'm not defending him. He did a very stupid, wrong and potentially dangerous thing. But, I think he realises that and is sorry.

I remember him in Byker Grove to, PJ & Drunken

Mick 17-04-2018 11:44

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Arthur, just a bit of advice, use a more meaningful Topic title...Don’t use an opinion as the title, it doesn’t tell people the subject of the thread....

Using ‘Nor good enough in my view’, is not helpful, if the thread it about Ant McPartlin, then you should have used ‘Ant McPartlin’ in the title.

weenie 17-04-2018 13:43

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Piers Morgan states his view on Ant McPartlin
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“What he maybe needs now is tough love and someone saying ‘you need to sort yourself out because you could have killed someone’.”
I couldn't agree more.

Quote:

To clarify, I said I don’t think anyone who drink drives deserves sympathy, especially when they crash into cars with kids inside. Ant, I’m sure, wouldn’t want or expect any. But on a personal level, I’m very sad to see him like this & wish him well with his recovery.

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-a3816051.html

OLD BOY 17-04-2018 16:55

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35943964)
Piers Morgan states his view on Ant McPartlin

Quote:

“What he maybe needs now is tough love and someone saying ‘you need to sort yourself out because you could have killed someone’.”


I think he gets that!

Hugh 17-04-2018 17:52

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by weenie (Post 35943964)
Piers Morgan states his view on Ant McPartlin
Quote:

“What he maybe needs now is tough love and someone saying ‘you need to sort yourself out because you could have killed someone’.”
I couldn't agree more.

Quote:

To clarify, I said I don’t think anyone who drink drives deserves sympathy, especially when they crash into cars with kids inside. Ant, I’m sure, wouldn’t want or expect any. But on a personal level, I’m very sad to see him like this & wish him well with his recovery.
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/c...-a3816051.html

Telling someone with mental health problems to "sort themselves out" is like telling someone with a broken leg to "walk it off"... :rolleyes:

RichardCoulter 17-04-2018 18:23

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Exactly. You can't (legally or morally) simply treat someones mental health or disability and the effects thereof with indifference or say that its some sort of excuse.

It would be like telling someone off with dementia for forgetting things and then accusing them of saying that they were using their condition as an excuse not to remember things!

Having said that, fining a multi millionaire 2/3 of his £130,000 weekly wage won't exactly leave him starving. Fining someone on the minimum or even average wage 2/3 of it would cause them more problems, despite the fine being much less.

weenie 17-04-2018 19:20

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
I think I may have been misunderstood my apologies and as someone whom has suffered from depression in the past I totally get that but what I was referring to is
Quote:

What he maybe needs now is tough love and someone saying ‘you need to sort yourself out because you could have killed someone’.”
Stop drink driving, you could have killed someone therefore (tough love)

Quote:

To clarify, I said I don’t think anyone who drink drives deserves sympathy, especially when they crash into cars with kids inside. Ant, I’m sure, wouldn’t want or expect any. But on a personal level, I’m very sad to see him like this & wish him well with his recovery.
Sorry but I totally agree with this quote from Piers simply because as I know first hand how devastating the loss a drink driver can actually cause.

I don't think anyone who drink drives deserves sympathy and I'm not sorry for thinking this as a drink driver killed someone I knew and was close to hence the reason I feel so strongly, the only people whom deserve sympathy is the poor buggers left to pick up the pieces of their broken family through someones selfish behavior.

May I point out never once did I say I don't sympathise with someone who suffers from anxiety or depression because I do just not drink drivers I'm afraid.

Hugh 17-04-2018 19:31

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Weenie, apologies if I was unclear.

I was highlighting Morgan’s comment, not criticising you - sorry if it came across that way; I didn’t mean to.

The drink-driving probably came about due to the mental health issues - there’s no excuse for drink driving, and I’m so glad no one was seriously injured; Ant needs help to get sorted out, as when your mind is in the pits of depression it’s very difficult to ‘sort yourself out".

Once again, sorry.

weenie 17-04-2018 20:32

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
No need Hugh it's more than likely me as my feelings on drink drivers are strong and I'm still very raw tbh trust me no one will ever understand until they see the devastation on a family this selfish act can cause.

richard s 17-04-2018 20:53

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Absolutely weenie there sould be a complete ban on any alcohol and drugs if you are a motorised vehicle driver or motor bike and even push bike riders.

RichardCoulter 17-04-2018 22:34

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35944050)
Absolutely weenie there sould be a complete ban on any alcohol and drugs if you are a motorised vehicle driver or motor bike and even push bike riders.

This has been suggested in the past regarding alcohol but, apparently, would be unworkable. For example, if someone had had a liqueur chocolate after dinner, or used certain mouthwashes, there could technically be a trace of alcohol in the blood, but as little as to not make any difference.

Also, the body naturally produces small* amounts of alcohol during it's biological processes.

*There is a condition called auto brewery syndrome where the affected person can become over the limit without drinking any alcohol. I imagine such people would be banned from driving on mddical grounds.

Maggy 18-04-2018 08:49

Re: TV host Ant McPartlin Found Guilty of Drink-driving
 
This is someone who can afford a chauffeur and now he'll have to employ one for a while.Le's hope he can deal with his demons and if he can't then he should continue to let someone else drive.


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