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Mick 08-04-2018 09:49

U.S, UK and France Launch Missile Strikes in Syria
 
Developing: U.S calls on Russia to end its support for the Brutal Assad regime that they claim has used another Chemical weapon in Syria that has claimed the lives of 70 people, mostly including women and young children and babies. Russia denies it was Assad forces who used the weapon.

https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-...group-11322143

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The US has called on Russia to end its support for the Syrian regime after at least 70 people were killed in an alleged chemical attack.

The State Department in Washington said it was closely following the "disturbing reports" from the city of Douma in eastern Ghouta, which an aid group with links to opposition forces in the region said had been subjected to "one of the worst chemical attacks in Syrian history" late on Saturday.

At least 70 people were killed in the strike, with more than 500 civilians injured, the Union of Medical Care and Relief Organisations (UOSSM) told Sky News.

OLD BOY 08-04-2018 10:57

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That denial is even less credible than their insistence that they had nothing to do with the Salisbury attack.

Putin won't be believed on anything he says by the rest of the world if he carries on like this. The only realistic alternative argument is that it really wasn't Assad's regime who did this, but Putin's! They are the only two major players in the area that could have carried out such a mission.

However, I don't think there can be much doubt that this was Assad's work.

Mick 08-04-2018 14:27

Re: U.S insists Russia ends Syria-Assad Support after Chemical Attack kills 70
 
Latest: U.S President Donald Trump has condemned the attack in Syria in the last few minutes. He calls out President Putin for being responsible for backing the 'Animal' Assad. He says in a series of tweets:

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Many dead, including women and children, in mindless CHEMICAL attack in Syria. Area of atrocity is in lockdown and encircled by Syrian Army, making it completely inaccessible to outside world. President Putin, Russia and Iran are responsible for backing Animal Assad. Big price...

....to pay. Open area immediately for medical help and verification. Another humanitarian disaster for no reason whatsoever. SICK!

If President Obama had crossed his stated Red Line In The Sand, the Syrian disaster would have ended long ago! Animal Assad would have been history!

Mick 08-04-2018 17:59

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This is getting notched up a few levels....

Following alleged Syrian chemical attack, U.S. military officials confirm Pentagon is drawing up potential regime targets for attack. Pres. Trump to meet with National Security Council today.

Mick 09-04-2018 04:16

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BREAKING: An Airfield in HOMS, in Syria has been targeted with missiles. The U.S has Denied any involvement. But Syria claims this is American aggression, after U.S President Donald Trump said there would be a 'big price to pay' for using chemical weapons again on innocent civilians, many women and children.

The missile attack has claimed several lives at the airfield, Syria's air defences shot down 8 of the missiles.

https://news.sky.com/story/missiles-...ports-11323656

Mick 09-04-2018 12:54

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Russian defense Minister claims it was Israel who fired the missles.

pip08456 09-04-2018 12:58

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That is more feasible. So why did they accuse the US first?

Maggy 09-04-2018 13:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943093)
That is more feasible. So why did they accuse the US first?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_S...missile_strike

Might be one reason.

pip08456 09-04-2018 14:40

Re: U.S insists Russia ends Syria-Assad Support after Chemical Attack kills 70
 
Sorry but that area is under wide satellite surveillance and wherever the attack came from would be recorded and could be proved.

Mick 09-04-2018 20:30

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Latest rhetoric coming from The White House: "Russia has betrayed it's obligations it made to Guarantee an end to Syria's Chemical Weapon use and also states Syria cannot conduct chemical weapon attacks without support from Russia and Iran."

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Russia UN Ambassador just now @ United Nations, New York: Russia is being "unpardonably" threatened by the U.S, United Kingdom and France.

Mr K 09-04-2018 21:55

Re: U.S insists Russia ends Syria-Assad Support after Chemical Attack kills 70
 
It may be just coincidence, but Trump only seems to interested in international issues when the headlines aren't going well at home.

pip08456 09-04-2018 22:00

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OK Mr_K

Mick 09-04-2018 22:40

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943139)
It may be just coincidence, but Trump only seems to interested in international issues when the headlines aren't going well at home.

Rubbish, given that the headlines have always been against him since day one anyway. So another one won’t matter.

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Just seen this : U.S.S Donald Cook has deployed off the coast of Syria. Russian fighter jets have begun to harass the vessel with multiple low passes. DEVELOPING

Arthurgray50@blu 09-04-2018 23:03

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https://news.sky.com/story/fbi-raid-...laims-11324641

This should be interesting news for DT

Mick 09-04-2018 23:08

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Already posted in the Trump thread Arthur, this isn’t the Trump thread!

Mick 10-04-2018 22:33

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Interesting, we’re now at Defcon 4 on the nuclear war scale. 4 is Increased Security and Intel gathering.

5 is Normal. 1 is Game over.

Mick 11-04-2018 12:07

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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump has just tweeted to warn Russia not to shoot down their missiles because they will be coming.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...22625440747520

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Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Russia vows to shoot down any and all missiles fired at Syria. Get ready Russia, because they will be coming, nice and new and “smart!” You shouldn’t be partners with a Gas Killing Animal who kills his people and enjoys it!
We're on the verge of WWIII.

Hugh 11-04-2018 12:09

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Rule 1 of suprise attacks - don't tell the enemy there's going to be one...

Mick 11-04-2018 12:13

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It's hardly going to be a surprise if there are several U.S Destroyers and Frigates currently residing in the Mediterranean Sea, just off the coast of Syria.

Damien 11-04-2018 12:15

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I mean I support standing up to these people but the tweet doesn't fill me with confidence.

Mick 11-04-2018 12:29

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I agree, the tweet was not necessary.

He is probably right about the missles being smart, especially of the 'Stable genius' kind.

Russian foreign Ministry has responded to Trump's tweet, "The missles should be aimed at the terrorists not legitimate governments."

Damien 11-04-2018 12:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943324)
Russian foreign Ministry has responded to Trump's tweet, "The missles should be aimed at the terrorists not legitimate governments."

Rubbish come back. Russia are meant to be good at memes.

Gavin78 11-04-2018 12:34

Re: U.S insists Russia ends Syria-Assad Support after Chemical Attack kills 70
 
The guy is a mad man it's about time we took him down he's pretty much manipulated the world in one way or another.

The only thing is it's the nuclear button that doesn't scare me. It's the use of mass chemical weapons he will probably use on mass people if a war does come

Mick 11-04-2018 12:42

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First person to fire any Nuke and we might as well say goodbye to each other now, nobody wins in that instance.

denphone 11-04-2018 13:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943327)
First person to fire any Nuke and we might as well say goodbye to each other now, nobody wins in that instance.

Not often l agree with you Mick.

+1

Mick 11-04-2018 13:08

Re: Updated: Imminent U.S Missile Strike on Syria
 
Russian journalist says on Twitter that he just asked a source close to the Kremlin: "How real are the chances of war between the US and Russia right now?" They replied: "8 out of 10." #Douma #Syria

Damien 11-04-2018 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943329)
Russian journalist says on Twitter that he just asked a source close to the Kremlin: "How real are the chances of war between the US and Russia right now?" They replied: "8 out of 10." #Douma #Syria

I wouldn't read too much into that. Russia love saying everything is of the most dire consequence. Doesn't matter if we're bombing Syria, banning them from the Olympics or pointing out Russian dolls are stupid they always say it's super-very-serious.

OLD BOY 11-04-2018 13:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943320)
Rule 1 of suprise attacks - don't tell the enemy there's going to be one...

C'mon, Hugh, this is The Donald we're talking about here!

Damien 11-04-2018 14:08

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He seems to have a complete 180 in the last hour anyway.

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Much of the bad blood with Russia is caused by the Fake & Corrupt Russia Investigation, headed up by the all Democrat loyalists, or people that worked for Obama. Mueller is most conflicted of all (except Rosenstein who signed FISA & Comey letter). No Collusion, so they go crazy!
Not quite sure how this is being caused by the Russian investigation.

Mick 11-04-2018 15:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943337)
He seems to have a complete 180 in the last hour anyway.



Not quite sure how this is being caused by the Russian investigation.

:disturbd:

There is a valid question to legitimately ask, that even I am going to raise, that with the recent raid on Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen that Trump is not in the calm and rational right frame of mind to make decisions such as this, lots of White House, pundits saying he was really infuriated with that raid, he tweeted all in caps first thing yesterday "A TOTAL WITCH HUNT!".

The Pentagon is being more reserved they have commented in last half hour that they do not comment on military actions.

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Russians are saying they have tested samples from the site of the alleged chemical attack and said "they came back showing no signs of a chemical attack...."

Oh look at that great big pig flying in the sky... FFS these games need to stop.

Hugh 11-04-2018 18:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943320)
Rule 1 of suprise attacks - don't tell the enemy there's going to be one...

Not just me that thinks this...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...0&d=1523468209

Mick 11-04-2018 18:58

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This goes back to "frame of mind", he very pissed off with the Michael Cohen raid.... call it preoccupied.

He is no longer known as private citizen, Mr Trump, but President Trump with big key decisions that impact the rest of the World. Even his own base has pointed out they want the 2013 Trump back and not to attack Syria, but I think there needs to be action personally, we cannot keep sitting back watching an evil pig, gas his own citizens and a rogue country, aka Russia block every attempt to sort the issue out once and for all.

Hugh 11-04-2018 19:17

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I would expect the US President, a man in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal In the world, and the wotld’s Biggest Armed Forces (by far) not to have temper tantrums on Twitter.

Mick 11-04-2018 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943362)
I would expect the US President, a man in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal In the world, and the wotld’s Biggest Armed Forces (by far) not to have temper tantrums on Twitter.

Expectations aside, it's better than President Obama drawing a red line and then not doing anything realistic when it's crossed.

It could be a move he is trying to make, similar to that of North Korea who now want to denuclearize, maybe he is trying the same tactic with Putin. Act the tough guy but deep down he really wants peace, the turnabout he did this morning suggests this could plausible...

RizzyKing 11-04-2018 19:55

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Thankfully there is a bit more to a military strike then donald throwing a wobbler although I'd imagine the pentagon is willing to plan and execute a strike but would prefer to have some proof to legitimise it rather then suspicion no matter how credible the sources might be.

Damien 11-04-2018 19:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943359)
This goes back to "frame of mind", he very pissed off with the Michael Cohen raid.... call it preoccupied.

He is no longer known as private citizen, Mr Trump, but President Trump with big key decisions that impact the rest of the World. Even his own base has pointed out they want the 2013 Trump back and not to attack Syria, but I think there needs to be action personally, we cannot keep sitting back watching an evil pig, gas his own citizens and a rogue country, aka Russia block every attempt to sort the issue out once and for all.

It's pretty worrying if that were the reason. Can't have military actions provoked because the President is upset. :erm:

I think action needs to be taken but I think Russia are too entrenched in Syria now. On Sky News a guest pointed out that the Russians have Russian-manned anti-aircraft guns. Would the US attack those? Would they risk ignoring them and, if so, would Russia attack the US to stop them attacking Syria?

Maybe the die was cast back when Parliament voted not to go with the US in supporting anti-Assad air-strikes - Labour voted against - which undermined the US ability to go in.

Further economic isolation of Russia might be an answer. The Russian economy did take a bad hit after they invaded Ukraine and how long can Putin maintain strong control if he loses support of powerful, rich, Russians?

RizzyKing 11-04-2018 20:03

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I agree Damien economic sanctions are hitting Russia hard and as much as Putin trys to represent it as the old enemy attacking Russia it isn't working as well as it did in the past and those sanctions have caused a reduction in the military budget which of course weakens Russia. If a chemical attack is confirmed then a limited military strike becomes very likely but advertising in advance your likely targets gives the Russians time to move their forces to protect them. There's clearly an agenda here with Russia beyond just helping assad and until that becomes clear i think we are in for more trouble.

Mick 11-04-2018 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943369)
It's pretty worrying if that were the reason. Can't have military actions provoked because the President is upset. :erm:

I think action needs to be taken but I think Russia are too entrenched in Syria now. On Sky News a guest pointed out that the Russians have Russian-manned anti-aircraft guns. Would the US attack those? Would they risk ignoring them and, if so, would Russia attack the US to stop them attacking Syria?

Maybe the die was cast back when Parliament voted not to go with the US in supporting anti-Assad air-strikes - Labour voted against - which undermined the US ability to go in.

Further economic isolation of Russia might be an answer. The Russian economy did take a bad hit after they invaded Ukraine and how long can Putin maintain strong control if he loses support of powerful, rich, Russians?

I said earlier when he posted it was wrong what he said in the tweet. I am just trying to convey the reasoning behind the tweets today. I am not going to jump on the 'Never Trumpers' bandwagon like others have.

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Just in from Telegraph UK: PM May is said to move submarines within range of Syria.

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The Daily Telegraph has learnt that Mrs May has ordered British submarines to move within missile range of Syria in readiness for strikes against the Assad regime that could begin as early as Thursday night.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...against-assad/

pip08456 11-04-2018 21:23

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What a difference a year makes. No-one was complaing last year about the Russians being warned in advance.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7671736.html

It is worth remembering that an attack without warning resulting in Russian military casualties would give Putin the propaganda upper hand as well as cause for retalortary action.

Mick 11-04-2018 22:07

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You know there is stuff coming left right and centre, Sky News is now reporting that May is getting cabinet approval for military strikes in Syria.

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-calls-...syria-11326833

Gavin78 11-04-2018 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943392)
You know there is stuff coming left right and centre, Sky News is now reporting that May is getting cabinet approval for military strikes in Syria.

https://news.sky.com/story/pm-calls-...syria-11326833

Although the SNP and Corbyn want a vote on it which we know how they would probably vote.

Damien 11-04-2018 22:14

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They may want a vote but the decision to take action is the Governments.

denphone 12-04-2018 05:41

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Latest poll in regards On "UK military action in response to the alleged chemical attack in Syria if it results in conflict with Russia".

https://interactive.news.sky.com/SYRIATABS110418.pdf

Mr K 12-04-2018 07:29

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Seems we're trying to rush in on dodgy evidence again, have we learnt nothing? The pictures of the 'attack' come from Islamic Militants. The former UK ambassador to Syria thinks it's faked.
Let the investigators do their stuff, and then take action if proved. We're being taken for mugs, and a shoot first think/tweet later President who sees it as opportunity to big himself up.

denphone 12-04-2018 07:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943407)
Seems we're trying to rush in on dodgy evidence again, have we learnt nothing? The pictures of the 'attack' come from Islamic Militants. The former UK ambassador to Syria thinks it's faked.
Let the investigators do their stuff, and then take action if proved. We're being taken for mugs, and a shoot first think/tweet later President who sees it as opportunity to big himself up.

There is a old saying Mr K and that is "Act in haste, repent at leisure" and one would be wise to heed it.

1andrew1 12-04-2018 08:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35943408)
There is a old saying Mr K and that is "Act in haste, repent at leisure" and one would be wise to heed it.

So far, Theresa May seems the most level-headed when compared to Russia and the US. Let's hope she continues this way.

heero_yuy 12-04-2018 09:30

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Quote:

Quote from Mr K:


Seems we're trying to rush in on dodgy evidence again, have we learnt nothing? The pictures of the 'attack' come from Islamic Militants. The former UK ambassador to Syria thinks it's faked.
Let the investigators do their stuff, and then take action if proved. We're being taken for mugs, and a shoot first think/tweet later President who sees it as opportunity to big himself up.
In this case I find myself in agreement Mr K. It is quite possible that this has been staged by IS as a last desperate throw of the dice to get the US and allies to knock Assad back a bit. IS have no qualms in killing anybody: Friend, foe or civillian, and by the most brutal methods.

If the agent proves to be Chlorine or something similar anybody with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry could have produced and released it.

Hugh 12-04-2018 09:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943407)
Seems we're trying to rush in on dodgy evidence again, have we learnt nothing? The pictures of the 'attack' come from Islamic Militants. The former UK ambassador to Syria thinks it's faked.
Let the investigators do their stuff, and then take action if proved. We're being taken for mugs, and a shoot first think/tweet later President who sees it as opportunity to big himself up.

Not sure the White Helmets (Syrian Civil Defence) and SAMS (Syrian American Medical Sevices) can be classed as Islamic Militants...

https://www.sams-usa.net/press_relea...-attack-douma/
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SAMS has documented 43 casualties with similar clinical symptoms of excessive oral foaming, cyanosis, and corneal burns. Civil Defense volunteers were unable to evacuate the bodies due to the intensity of the odor and the lack of protective equipment. The reported symptoms indicate that the victims suffocated from the exposure to toxic chemicals, most likely an organophosphate element.

Following the chemical attack, the target site and the surrounding area of the hospital receiving the injured were attacked with barrel bombs, which hindered the ability of the ambulances to reach the victims.
Why won’t the Syrians or the Russians let independent World Health Organisation inspectors in, if the claims are false?

btw, the “former U.K. Ambassor to Syria" - is that the same person who is a a director of the British Syrian Society, which was founded by Fawaz Akhras, President Assad’s father-in-law, and is closely linked to the regime, frequently accused of acting as its mouthpiece in the west.

papa smurf 12-04-2018 09:53

Re: Updated: Imminent U.S Missile Strike on Syria
 
We have just had a chemical weapons attack on our own soil and did not throw missiles at the alleged perpetrator ,so why would we attack Syria for an alleged attack on their own soil .

Mick 12-04-2018 12:11

Re: Updated: Imminent U.S Missile Strike on Syria
 
BREAKING: French President Emmanuel Macron says he has proof Chemical Weapons were used by the Syrian Government.

Stephen 12-04-2018 13:56

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-43740626
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France's President Emmanuel Macron says he has "proof" that the Syrian government attacked the town of Douma with chemical weapons last weekend.
He said he would decide "in due course" whether to strike Syria.
Western states are thought to be preparing for missile strikes in response to the alleged attack.
In Russia, Syria's main military ally, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov urged against "any steps which could lead to an escalation of tensions".
US President Donald Trump, who said on Wednesday that missiles were "coming", has now tweeted that he "never said when".

Hugh 12-04-2018 18:00

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http://thehill.com/policy/defense/38...ndred-russians
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Pompeo confirms 'a couple hundred' Russians killed in Syria

Secretary of State nominee Mike Pompeo pointed Thursday to the U.S. military killing “a couple hundred” Russians in Syria as evidence of the Trump administration’s toughness on Moscow.

“A handful of weeks ago, the Russians met their match. A couple hundred Russians were killed,” Pompeo told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during his confirmation hearing.

The comment from Pompeo, currently the CIA director, appears to the first time a U.S. official has publicly confirmed that Russians were killed as part of the U.S. strike in Deir el-Zour province, and the first time an administration official has cited the incident to defend President Trump's Russia stance.

In February, U.S. forces struck what the Pentagon described as pro-Syrian regime forces after an “unprovoked” attack on the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces.

At the time, the Pentagon repeatedly declined to confirm the composition of the pro-regime forces involved in the incident.

But reports citing U.S. unnamed officials said that “scores” of Russian mercenaries were killed and injured. Russia later conceded that “several dozens” of its citizens were injured and an unspecified number killed, though it insisted its military was not involved at all.

pip08456 12-04-2018 19:12

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There's a hell of a difference between Russian military personnel and Russian mercenaries, just as the would be a difference between UK or US military and mercenaries.

Mercenaries are paid a hell of a lot more to begin with!

Hugh 12-04-2018 19:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943449)
There's a hell of a difference between Russian military personnel and Russian mercenaries, just as the would be a difference between UK or US military and mercenaries.

Mercenaries are paid a hell of a lot more to begin with!

That’ll be the same "mercenaries" that fought in Ukraine...

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-official-says

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31794523

pip08456 12-04-2018 19:52

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Not in my book.

Hugh 12-04-2018 20:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943454)
Not in my book.

You may find this of interest.

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/02/1...ractors-syria/

Basically, the PMCs are just a mask for Russia - they even train on GRU bases.

Hom3r 12-04-2018 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35943424)
We have just had a chemical weapons attack on our own soil and did not throw missiles at the alleged perpetrator ,so why would we attack Syria for an alleged attack on their own soil .

I would say the numbers involved.

The UK ones were specifically targeted, in Syria it's kill anyone.

pip08456 12-04-2018 21:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943457)
You may find this of interest.

https://thedefensepost.com/2018/02/1...ractors-syria/

Basically, the PMCs are just a mask for Russia - they even train on GRU bases.

As far as I'm concerned if they are not there as official Russian military personnel then they are mercenaries.

Arthurgray50@blu 12-04-2018 21:54

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I simply cannot understand why Britain has to join a war. Its senseless. And could effect this country big time.
The Russians have already said that they will target this country.

When you think - where goes our gas supplies come from - any answers

Hugh 12-04-2018 22:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35943469)
I simply cannot understand why Britain has to join a war. Its senseless. And could effect this country big time.
The Russians have already said that they will target this country.

When you think - where goes our gas supplies come from - any answers

Not from Russia...

https://inews.co.uk/news/science/whe...t-from-russia/
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Russia supplies less than 1 per cent of the gas used in the UK, meaning that any move to cut supplies would have little impact on the country’s energy security. While Russia supplies a whopping 37 per cent of the gas used across Europe, only a tiny fraction of that goes to Britain. This means that the political leverage Russia is able to exert by threatening to cut off gas supplies is likely to be far greater among our allies in the EU than in Britain.

RizzyKing 13-04-2018 00:51

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Yeah your right Arthur lets take no action against Russia or it's interests ever why take the chance better to be safe then sorry right. Well actually no Putin is a threat and he must be opposed at every opportunity or more countries will find themselves under attack despite his rhetoric he is anything but a man of peace. He is a thug who managed to maneuver his way into political power and is now prepared to use every dirty trick in the book to extend his reach and the only thing inaction will do is cause more chaos in other areas.

Syria is a testing ground for the latest Russian toys for Putin if he was serious about aiding them he could have sent a big enough force to end the conflict once and for all he didn't because the situation there suits him and his plans.

OLD BOY 13-04-2018 08:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35943469)
I simply cannot understand why Britain has to join a war. Its senseless. And could effect this country big time.
The Russians have already said that they will target this country.

When you think - where goes our gas supplies come from - any answers

When aggressors are allowed to get away with aggression, it emboldens them. 'Do nothing' is not the sensible answer you think it is.

denphone 13-04-2018 09:03

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943499)
When aggressors are allowed to get away with aggression, it emboldens them. 'Do nothing' is not the sensible answer you think it is.

The trouble is most Brits are against military strikes OB as they don't want another ill conceived war on their hands like before..

https://www.rt.com/uk/423908-syria-britons-poll-war/

RizzyKing 13-04-2018 09:14

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So what should our response be maybe a Youtube video with theresa may with a stern face and wagging finger that'll sort it all out, evidence is mounting that it was an attack by assads forces it's not the first time they have done it and if there isn't a strong response it will not be the last. Nobody wants a wider conflict but fear of that should not stop us doing something and if it does we become a lot weaker and assad and putin will be emboldened is that what we want either.

OLD BOY 13-04-2018 10:52

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35943502)
The trouble is most Brits are against military strikes OB as they don't want another ill conceived war on their hands like before..

https://www.rt.com/uk/423908-syria-britons-poll-war/

This does point to a worrying lack of backbone in the British public. It's difficult to understand how people can watch those poor children after a chemical attack and not be moved to stop this waste of life.

There are always dangers of getting involved, but if we sit back and do nothing, it's only a matter of time before Putin arrives to break our doors down. He won't knock first, although that might be what we polite British would think was polite.

denphone 13-04-2018 11:07

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943516)
This does point to a worrying lack of backbone in the British public. It's difficult to understand how people can watch those poor children after a chemical attack and not be moved to stop this waste of life.

There are always dangers of getting involved, but if we sit back and do nothing, it's only a matter of time before Putin arrives to break our doors down. He won't knock first, although that might be what we polite British would think was polite.

Nothing to do with backbone OB or being a hawk or a dove as these are extremely weighty issues and one needs to consider the consequences before one makes the next step IMO.

OLD BOY 13-04-2018 13:11

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35943518)
Nothing to do with backbone OB or being a hawk or a dove as these are extremely weighty issues and one needs to consider the consequences before one makes the next step IMO.

....And the consequences of the rest of the world doing nothing?

Mick 13-04-2018 13:45

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Doing nothing is not an option. Russia is getting cocky and more reckless, Chemical weapons being used on streets of Britain (Salisbury) And not for first time.

What next?

heero_yuy 13-04-2018 13:46

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Quote from OLD BOY:


....And the consequences of the rest of the world doing nothing?
Not a lot. Whereas to go in gung-ho with all guns blazing to find out a month later, when the Middle east is a nuclear desert with 100's of millions of innocents killed, that you were the victim of an elaborate ruse...

Mick 13-04-2018 13:51

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Russians are showing how inconsistent they are....

The chemical attack last week, they found no evidence of an attack.

The attack was carried out by the White helmets.

They refute the findings of the Salisbury OPCW inspection, but are now waiting for OPCW to go in tomorrow to do their findings in the Syria.

They could not be good liars if they tried.

Mr K 13-04-2018 14:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943516)
This does point to a worrying lack of backbone in the British public. It's difficult to understand how people can watch those poor children after a chemical attack and not be moved to stop this waste of life.

There are always dangers of getting involved, but if we sit back and do nothing, it's only a matter of time before Putin arrives to break our doors down. He won't knock first, although that might be what we polite British would think was polite.

Even if it was a real attack we don't know who did it. Seems strange they would launch a chemical attack knowing the backlash would be - the 'war' is going well for Assad, it doesn't make sense. It could very well have been the rebels themselves/ISIS - they wouldn't think twice about sacrificing their own, they are on the brink of losing. If there's 100% solid proof of responsibility lets see it.

Can't believe we're falling for this again. Syria is a disaster zone, there are no good sides, i've go no answers, but missiles won't help and possibly makes things much much worse for us all. (and why is it always us that has to get involved with the US ? We're a minor nation these days, - where are Ireland, Sweden, Mongolia, Turkey etc etc? Maybe they have too much sense, don't want to waste their time/money and value their own security. Seems like we're so desperate for a trade deal we're currying favour with Donald at any cost.

As for the Russians - sanctions are hitting them big time. Hit them with lots more; money hurts them most.

pip08456 13-04-2018 14:26

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35943539)
Even if it was a real attack we don't know who did it. Seems strange they would launch a chemical attack knowing the backlash would be - the 'war' is going well for Assad, it doesn't make sense. It could very well have been the rebels themselves/ISIS - they wouldn't think twice about sacrificing their own, they are on the brink of losing. If there's 100% solid proof of responsibility lets see it.

Can't believe we're falling for this again. Syria is a disaster zone, there are no good sides, i've go no answers, but missiles won't help and possibly makes things much much worse for us all. (and why is it always us that has to get involved with the US ? We're a minor nation these days, - where are Ireland, Sweden, Mongolia, Turkey etc etc? Maybe they have too much sense, don't want to waste their time/money and value their own security. Seems like we're so desperate for a trade deal we're currying favour with Donald at any cost.

As for the Russians - sanctions are hitting them big time. Hit them with lots more; money hurts them most.

As the OPCW are going in to investigate tomorrow I would imagine no action will be taken until the publish their findings.

Mick 13-04-2018 16:10

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BREAKING: Russian Military have claimed the Syria Chemical Attack was directed and staged by Britain. (Source: Associated Press).

pip08456 13-04-2018 16:23

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It gets better then.

Damien 13-04-2018 16:24

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Kinda makes me think they know Assad did it...

pip08456 13-04-2018 16:29

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943547)
Kinda makes me think they know Assad did it...

No! It's the novichok we had left over from poisoning our own citizens.

We had to do something with it then we could say we don't have any stockpile.

Damien 13-04-2018 16:35

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This is how Russia operate though. They don't care if you believe them or not. They just want to sow as much misinformation, doubt and division in the West as possible in order to paralyse the political process and undermine faith in our institutions. Their goal isn't for people to say 'Russia are right' but 'well, who knows whose right? They're all the same'.

pip08456 13-04-2018 16:49

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I think you'll find it is more for their home market.

Damien 13-04-2018 16:56

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35943554)
I think you'll find it is more for their home market.

It's not (and at least not entirely). It's why they fund RT and Sputnik News. The latter finds many of it's 'stories' disseminated in the Western Press. It's why they have these troll farms.

This news report from RT is meant for a international audience for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKE6YKw5Y40

They did it during the Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

They spread so much disinformation, alternative stories and so on in the aim that some useful idiots run with it and everyone else just gives up trying to understand what actually happened or think it's impossible to ever know.

noel43 13-04-2018 17:20

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943484)
Yeah your right Arthur lets take no action against Russia or it's interests ever why take the chance better to be safe then sorry right. Well actually no Putin is a threat and he must be opposed at every opportunity or more countries will find themselves under attack despite his rhetoric he is anything but a man of peace. He is a thug who managed to maneuver his way into political power and is now prepared to use every dirty trick in the book to extend his reach and the only thing inaction will do is cause more chaos in other areas.

Syria is a testing ground for the latest Russian toys for Putin if he was serious about aiding them he could have sent a big enough force to end the conflict once and for all he didn't because the situation there suits him and his plans.

So is any war America gets its hands into.

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943516)
This does point to a worrying lack of backbone in the British public. It's difficult to understand how people can watch those poor children after a chemical attack and not be moved to stop this waste of life.

There are always dangers of getting involved, but if we sit back and do nothing, it's only a matter of time before Putin arrives to break our doors down. He won't knock first, although that might be what we polite British would think was polite.

If u want to get involved nothing stopping you from going over there.

Mick 13-04-2018 18:12

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35943557)

If u want to get involved nothing stopping you from going over there.

Yes there is, he is a civilian.

OLD BOY 13-04-2018 18:39

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943550)
This is how Russia operate though. They don't care if you believe them or not. They just want to sow as much misinformation, doubt and division in the West as possible in order to paralyse the political process and undermine faith in our institutions. Their goal isn't for people to say 'Russia are right' but 'well, who knows whose right? They're all the same'.

That's right. They have to feed useful idiots like Corbyn so he's still able to kick off against right minded people in western democracies. Some parts of the gullible public will believe it.:rolleyes:

Damien 13-04-2018 19:48

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35943568)
That's right. They have to feed useful idiots like Corbyn so he's still able to kick off against right minded people in western democracies. Some parts of the gullible public will believe it.:rolleyes:

The problem is at some point people learn that your own Government can lie and that the West has done bad things. That the world isn't quite divided into good vs bad. With this breakthrough that every teenager thinks they alone have made they 'question everything' but in reality this often means simply replacing 'official' stories with conspiratorial ones irrespective of evidence.

But this is where that development stops and they spend the rest of their lives with that mindset rather than taking a nuanced approach that would suggest sometimes the 'bad' people are also acting in self-interest, they too can lie and sometimes they're in the wrong and not Britain/America/France/whatever.

They think they're resistant to propaganda, that they have 'open minds' but they're the most easily manipulated of them all. Just by a different country is all.

noel43 13-04-2018 21:05

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943563)
Yes there is, he is a civilian.

Its always civilians that want others to go in and sort the problem out. The anti gov are civilians fighting against the gov.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943575)
The problem is at some point people learn that your own Government can lie and that the West has done bad things. That the world isn't quite divided into good vs bad. With this breakthrough that every teenager thinks they alone have made they 'question everything' but in reality this often means simply replacing 'official' stories with conspiratorial ones irrespective of evidence.

But this is where that development stops and they spend the rest of their lives with that mindset rather than taking a nuanced approach that would suggest sometimes the 'bad' people are also acting in self-interest, they too can lie and sometimes they're in the wrong and not Britain/America/France/whatever.

They think they're resistant to propaganda, that they have 'open minds' but they're the most easily manipulated of them all. Just by a different country is all.

You mean like Blaire and Bush and WMD's in Iraq

RizzyKing 13-04-2018 21:23

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So in your opinion Noel what action should be taken ???.

noel43 13-04-2018 23:41

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943584)
So in your opinion Noel what action should be taken ???.

Got nothing to do with us, besides we gassed the Kurds in 1921 so we have no shout in this, or shou!don't have.

RizzyKing 14-04-2018 01:22

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So we should let them get on with it and standby and watch atrocity after atrocity doing absolutely nothing. The UK has been more open then any other empire about the abuses it committed and has worked very hard to make up for it's past but saying the past should prevent current action means we might as well just withdraw from everything and become the insular xenophobic little island many think we are becoming.

Just had a look at your claim that we gassed the kurds in the 1920's and cannot find a single reputable source to confirm it but there many reputable and credible sources to say it was considered but never implemented so a link to your information would be helpful.

TheDaddy 14-04-2018 01:49

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943604)
So we should let them get on with it and standby and watch atrocity after atrocity doing absolutely nothing. The UK has been more open then any other empire about the abuses it committed and has worked very hard to make up for it's past but saying the past should prevent current action means we might as well just withdraw from everything and become the insular xenophobic little island many think we are becoming.

Just had a look at your claim that we gassed the kurds in the 1920's and cannot find a single reputable source to confirm it but there many reputable and credible sources to say it was considered but never implemented so a link to your information would be helpful.

It didn't happen, in the 90's an American democratic senator or congressman claimed we did it and the slur has stuck, he should have just kept it simple to how it wouldn't have been possible for Saddam to have gassed Iranians or Kurds without our help.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943575)
The problem is at some point people learn that your own Government can lie and that the West has done bad things. That the world isn't quite divided into good vs bad. With this breakthrough that every teenager thinks they alone have made they 'question everything' but in reality this often means simply replacing 'official' stories with conspiratorial ones irrespective of evidence.

But this is where that development stops and they spend the rest of their lives with that mindset rather than taking a nuanced approach that would suggest sometimes the 'bad' people are also acting in self-interest, they too can lie and sometimes they're in the wrong and not Britain/America/France/whatever.

They think they're resistant to propaganda, that they have 'open minds' but they're the most easily manipulated of them all. Just by a different country is all.

Bad things like almost doubling the number of civilian deaths from air strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...st-double-year

Guess that's different from gassing people although the effects are pretty much the same admittedly, they're still dead

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35943369)
It's pretty worrying if that were the reason. Can't have military actions provoked because the President is upset. :erm:

I think action needs to be taken but I think Russia are too entrenched in Syria now. On Sky News a guest pointed out that the Russians have Russian-manned anti-aircraft guns. Would the US attack those? Would they risk ignoring them and, if so, would Russia attack the US to stop them attacking Syria?

Maybe the die was cast back when Parliament voted not to go with the US in supporting anti-Assad air-strikes - Labour voted against - which undermined the US ability to go in.

Further economic isolation of Russia might be an answer. The Russian economy did take a bad hit after they invaded Ukraine and how long can Putin maintain strong control if he loses support of powerful, rich, Russians?

Thing about the Russians is they can take almost any level of deprivation and suffering, maybe not the crooks at the top who have raped the country but the ordinary people, sanctions won't bother them at all imo

RizzyKing 14-04-2018 02:15

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Well not possible strikes anymore they have started guess we will have to wait and see what happens now.

Mick 14-04-2018 03:08

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Multiple Chemical weapon facilities targeted in Syria.

Sirius 14-04-2018 07:21

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35943612)
Multiple Chemical weapon facilities targeted in Syria.

Excellent news :clap:

Bet Corbyn was straight on the phone to apologise to his mate Putin

Hugh 14-04-2018 08:17

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Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity

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February 1, 2018: The third chemical weapon attack in 2018 in Douma, Damascus is reported. The two earlier attacks were reported on January 13 and January 22. Reports assess that chlorine gas was used in all attacks. At a UN Security Council briefing on February 5, UN High Representative for Disarmament Affairs Izumi Nakamitsu stated that reports from the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission on these alleged attacks are pending.
This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

Maggy 14-04-2018 08:30

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943620)
Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity



This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

Good question.I wonder if we will ever get an answer in our lifetime?

noel43 14-04-2018 08:53

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35943605)
It didn't happen, in the 90's an American democratic senator or congressman claimed we did it and the slur has stuck, he should have just kept it simple to how it wouldn't have been possible for Saddam to have gassed Iranians or Kurds without our help.

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Bad things like almost doubling the number of civilian deaths from air strikes

https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...st-double-year

Guess that's different from gassing people although the effects are pretty much the same admittedly, they're still dead

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Thing about the Russians is they can take almost any level of deprivation and suffering, maybe not the crooks at the top who have raped the country but the ordinary people, sanctions won't bother them at all imo

Same in America lots of Deprivation, have you been of the tourist track or just been to orlando. Get out and see the real a.erm a, you would be surprised.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35943505)
So what should our response be maybe a Youtube video with theresa may with a stern face and wagging finger that'll sort it all out, evidence is mounting that it was an attack by assads forces it's not the first time they have done it and if there isn't a strong response it will not be the last. Nobody wants a wider conflict but fear of that should not stop us doing something and if it does we become a lot weaker and assad and putin will be emboldened is that what we want either.

How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

denphone 14-04-2018 09:09

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Hugh and Sirius have been in the military if my memory serves me right Noel.

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35943622)
How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

The thing is what ever ones views are on it will achieve diddly squat IMO.

heero_yuy 14-04-2018 09:43

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Quote from denphone:


The thing is what ever ones views are on it will achieve diddly squat IMO.
While there are two implacably opposed religious followers, Sunni and Shia, they'll be at each-others throats for the foreseeable future. To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

1andrew1 14-04-2018 09:58

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943620)
Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity

This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

Why did we wait till now? More bullish advisers in Trump's regime? Macron now feeling more confident?

Who was involved in last year's bombings? A three-way effort should have more political impact than efforts from eg just one country.

Carth 14-04-2018 10:03

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35943626)
. . To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

Yep, and boy do we like to get bitten.

We (and the Americans) are very good at involving ourselves in Political & Religious 'wars' that have been waged for hundreds of years. Most of the time these idealistic confrontations are ingrained in the very heart and culture of the people involved. You won't stop them unless you either wipe them out or manage to change their beliefs . . . good luck with the latter :rolleyes:

Sirius 14-04-2018 10:04

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 35943622)

How many people shouting for military action on this forum have done their bit for their country. Not many I would think. Willing to put others in danger but it not themselves.

I was in the military "13 years" and have been on operational tours. I have been in some dodgy positions during that time as well. My son spent 9 years in the military including tours in Afghanistan. So have you done your time in the military because if you have then you would know why military action is required and it the last resort but it has to be done ?

TheDaddy 14-04-2018 10:09

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35943620)
Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...

https://www.armscontrol.org/factshee...apons-Activity



This was the fourth time this year Doumas had been hit with chemical weapons, and we obviously knew where they were being produced, so why did we wait until now?

This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none.

I wonder why the civilians never left these areas because rebel snipers were targeting them to force them to stay, classy, we've done the right thing not backing them imo and at least this strike might make Assad think twice before gassing again, guess it comes down to whether he thinks gassing is worth the price he's just paid.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/09/w...uta-syria.html


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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35943626)
While there are two implacably opposed religious followers, Sunni and Shia, they'll be at each-others throats for the foreseeable future. To step in-between is to try and stop a dog fight: You'll get bitten.

Especially if you are encouraging them to fight or using them as pawns in a much bigger scheme, some might say you even deserve to get bit


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