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U.S, UK and France Launch Missile Strikes in Syria
Developing: U.S calls on Russia to end its support for the Brutal Assad regime that they claim has used another Chemical weapon in Syria that has claimed the lives of 70 people, mostly including women and young children and babies. Russia denies it was Assad forces who used the weapon.
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That denial is even less credible than their insistence that they had nothing to do with the Salisbury attack.
Putin won't be believed on anything he says by the rest of the world if he carries on like this. The only realistic alternative argument is that it really wasn't Assad's regime who did this, but Putin's! They are the only two major players in the area that could have carried out such a mission. However, I don't think there can be much doubt that this was Assad's work. |
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Latest: U.S President Donald Trump has condemned the attack in Syria in the last few minutes. He calls out President Putin for being responsible for backing the 'Animal' Assad. He says in a series of tweets:
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This is getting notched up a few levels....
Following alleged Syrian chemical attack, U.S. military officials confirm Pentagon is drawing up potential regime targets for attack. Pres. Trump to meet with National Security Council today. |
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BREAKING: An Airfield in HOMS, in Syria has been targeted with missiles. The U.S has Denied any involvement. But Syria claims this is American aggression, after U.S President Donald Trump said there would be a 'big price to pay' for using chemical weapons again on innocent civilians, many women and children.
The missile attack has claimed several lives at the airfield, Syria's air defences shot down 8 of the missiles. https://news.sky.com/story/missiles-...ports-11323656 |
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Russian defense Minister claims it was Israel who fired the missles.
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That is more feasible. So why did they accuse the US first?
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Sorry but that area is under wide satellite surveillance and wherever the attack came from would be recorded and could be proved.
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Latest rhetoric coming from The White House: "Russia has betrayed it's obligations it made to Guarantee an end to Syria's Chemical Weapon use and also states Syria cannot conduct chemical weapon attacks without support from Russia and Iran."
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It may be just coincidence, but Trump only seems to interested in international issues when the headlines aren't going well at home.
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---------- Post added at 22:40 ---------- Previous post was at 22:28 ---------- Just seen this : U.S.S Donald Cook has deployed off the coast of Syria. Russian fighter jets have begun to harass the vessel with multiple low passes. DEVELOPING |
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Already posted in the Trump thread Arthur, this isn’t the Trump thread!
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Interesting, we’re now at Defcon 4 on the nuclear war scale. 4 is Increased Security and Intel gathering.
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BREAKING: U.S President Donald Trump has just tweeted to warn Russia not to shoot down their missiles because they will be coming.
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Rule 1 of suprise attacks - don't tell the enemy there's going to be one...
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It's hardly going to be a surprise if there are several U.S Destroyers and Frigates currently residing in the Mediterranean Sea, just off the coast of Syria.
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I mean I support standing up to these people but the tweet doesn't fill me with confidence.
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I agree, the tweet was not necessary.
He is probably right about the missles being smart, especially of the 'Stable genius' kind. Russian foreign Ministry has responded to Trump's tweet, "The missles should be aimed at the terrorists not legitimate governments." |
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The guy is a mad man it's about time we took him down he's pretty much manipulated the world in one way or another.
The only thing is it's the nuclear button that doesn't scare me. It's the use of mass chemical weapons he will probably use on mass people if a war does come |
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First person to fire any Nuke and we might as well say goodbye to each other now, nobody wins in that instance.
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Russian journalist says on Twitter that he just asked a source close to the Kremlin: "How real are the chances of war between the US and Russia right now?" They replied: "8 out of 10." #Douma #Syria
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He seems to have a complete 180 in the last hour anyway.
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There is a valid question to legitimately ask, that even I am going to raise, that with the recent raid on Trump's lawyer Michael Cohen that Trump is not in the calm and rational right frame of mind to make decisions such as this, lots of White House, pundits saying he was really infuriated with that raid, he tweeted all in caps first thing yesterday "A TOTAL WITCH HUNT!". The Pentagon is being more reserved they have commented in last half hour that they do not comment on military actions. ---------- Post added at 15:46 ---------- Previous post was at 14:18 ---------- Russians are saying they have tested samples from the site of the alleged chemical attack and said "they came back showing no signs of a chemical attack...." Oh look at that great big pig flying in the sky... FFS these games need to stop. |
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This goes back to "frame of mind", he very pissed off with the Michael Cohen raid.... call it preoccupied.
He is no longer known as private citizen, Mr Trump, but President Trump with big key decisions that impact the rest of the World. Even his own base has pointed out they want the 2013 Trump back and not to attack Syria, but I think there needs to be action personally, we cannot keep sitting back watching an evil pig, gas his own citizens and a rogue country, aka Russia block every attempt to sort the issue out once and for all. |
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I would expect the US President, a man in charge of the largest nuclear arsenal In the world, and the wotld’s Biggest Armed Forces (by far) not to have temper tantrums on Twitter.
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It could be a move he is trying to make, similar to that of North Korea who now want to denuclearize, maybe he is trying the same tactic with Putin. Act the tough guy but deep down he really wants peace, the turnabout he did this morning suggests this could plausible... |
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Thankfully there is a bit more to a military strike then donald throwing a wobbler although I'd imagine the pentagon is willing to plan and execute a strike but would prefer to have some proof to legitimise it rather then suspicion no matter how credible the sources might be.
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I think action needs to be taken but I think Russia are too entrenched in Syria now. On Sky News a guest pointed out that the Russians have Russian-manned anti-aircraft guns. Would the US attack those? Would they risk ignoring them and, if so, would Russia attack the US to stop them attacking Syria? Maybe the die was cast back when Parliament voted not to go with the US in supporting anti-Assad air-strikes - Labour voted against - which undermined the US ability to go in. Further economic isolation of Russia might be an answer. The Russian economy did take a bad hit after they invaded Ukraine and how long can Putin maintain strong control if he loses support of powerful, rich, Russians? |
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I agree Damien economic sanctions are hitting Russia hard and as much as Putin trys to represent it as the old enemy attacking Russia it isn't working as well as it did in the past and those sanctions have caused a reduction in the military budget which of course weakens Russia. If a chemical attack is confirmed then a limited military strike becomes very likely but advertising in advance your likely targets gives the Russians time to move their forces to protect them. There's clearly an agenda here with Russia beyond just helping assad and until that becomes clear i think we are in for more trouble.
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What a difference a year makes. No-one was complaing last year about the Russians being warned in advance.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a7671736.html It is worth remembering that an attack without warning resulting in Russian military casualties would give Putin the propaganda upper hand as well as cause for retalortary action. |
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You know there is stuff coming left right and centre, Sky News is now reporting that May is getting cabinet approval for military strikes in Syria.
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They may want a vote but the decision to take action is the Governments.
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Latest poll in regards On "UK military action in response to the alleged chemical attack in Syria if it results in conflict with Russia".
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Seems we're trying to rush in on dodgy evidence again, have we learnt nothing? The pictures of the 'attack' come from Islamic Militants. The former UK ambassador to Syria thinks it's faked.
Let the investigators do their stuff, and then take action if proved. We're being taken for mugs, and a shoot first think/tweet later President who sees it as opportunity to big himself up. |
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If the agent proves to be Chlorine or something similar anybody with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry could have produced and released it. |
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btw, the “former U.K. Ambassor to Syria" - is that the same person who is a a director of the British Syrian Society, which was founded by Fawaz Akhras, President Assad’s father-in-law, and is closely linked to the regime, frequently accused of acting as its mouthpiece in the west. |
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We have just had a chemical weapons attack on our own soil and did not throw missiles at the alleged perpetrator ,so why would we attack Syria for an alleged attack on their own soil .
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BREAKING: French President Emmanuel Macron says he has proof Chemical Weapons were used by the Syrian Government.
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There's a hell of a difference between Russian military personnel and Russian mercenaries, just as the would be a difference between UK or US military and mercenaries.
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Not in my book.
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The UK ones were specifically targeted, in Syria it's kill anyone. |
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I simply cannot understand why Britain has to join a war. Its senseless. And could effect this country big time.
The Russians have already said that they will target this country. When you think - where goes our gas supplies come from - any answers |
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Yeah your right Arthur lets take no action against Russia or it's interests ever why take the chance better to be safe then sorry right. Well actually no Putin is a threat and he must be opposed at every opportunity or more countries will find themselves under attack despite his rhetoric he is anything but a man of peace. He is a thug who managed to maneuver his way into political power and is now prepared to use every dirty trick in the book to extend his reach and the only thing inaction will do is cause more chaos in other areas.
Syria is a testing ground for the latest Russian toys for Putin if he was serious about aiding them he could have sent a big enough force to end the conflict once and for all he didn't because the situation there suits him and his plans. |
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So what should our response be maybe a Youtube video with theresa may with a stern face and wagging finger that'll sort it all out, evidence is mounting that it was an attack by assads forces it's not the first time they have done it and if there isn't a strong response it will not be the last. Nobody wants a wider conflict but fear of that should not stop us doing something and if it does we become a lot weaker and assad and putin will be emboldened is that what we want either.
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There are always dangers of getting involved, but if we sit back and do nothing, it's only a matter of time before Putin arrives to break our doors down. He won't knock first, although that might be what we polite British would think was polite. |
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Doing nothing is not an option. Russia is getting cocky and more reckless, Chemical weapons being used on streets of Britain (Salisbury) And not for first time.
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Russians are showing how inconsistent they are....
The chemical attack last week, they found no evidence of an attack. The attack was carried out by the White helmets. They refute the findings of the Salisbury OPCW inspection, but are now waiting for OPCW to go in tomorrow to do their findings in the Syria. They could not be good liars if they tried. |
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Can't believe we're falling for this again. Syria is a disaster zone, there are no good sides, i've go no answers, but missiles won't help and possibly makes things much much worse for us all. (and why is it always us that has to get involved with the US ? We're a minor nation these days, - where are Ireland, Sweden, Mongolia, Turkey etc etc? Maybe they have too much sense, don't want to waste their time/money and value their own security. Seems like we're so desperate for a trade deal we're currying favour with Donald at any cost. As for the Russians - sanctions are hitting them big time. Hit them with lots more; money hurts them most. |
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BREAKING: Russian Military have claimed the Syria Chemical Attack was directed and staged by Britain. (Source: Associated Press).
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It gets better then.
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Kinda makes me think they know Assad did it...
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We had to do something with it then we could say we don't have any stockpile. |
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This is how Russia operate though. They don't care if you believe them or not. They just want to sow as much misinformation, doubt and division in the West as possible in order to paralyse the political process and undermine faith in our institutions. Their goal isn't for people to say 'Russia are right' but 'well, who knows whose right? They're all the same'.
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I think you'll find it is more for their home market.
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This news report from RT is meant for a international audience for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKE6YKw5Y40 They did it during the Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation They spread so much disinformation, alternative stories and so on in the aim that some useful idiots run with it and everyone else just gives up trying to understand what actually happened or think it's impossible to ever know. |
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But this is where that development stops and they spend the rest of their lives with that mindset rather than taking a nuanced approach that would suggest sometimes the 'bad' people are also acting in self-interest, they too can lie and sometimes they're in the wrong and not Britain/America/France/whatever. They think they're resistant to propaganda, that they have 'open minds' but they're the most easily manipulated of them all. Just by a different country is all. |
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So in your opinion Noel what action should be taken ???.
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So we should let them get on with it and standby and watch atrocity after atrocity doing absolutely nothing. The UK has been more open then any other empire about the abuses it committed and has worked very hard to make up for it's past but saying the past should prevent current action means we might as well just withdraw from everything and become the insular xenophobic little island many think we are becoming.
Just had a look at your claim that we gassed the kurds in the 1920's and cannot find a single reputable source to confirm it but there many reputable and credible sources to say it was considered but never implemented so a link to your information would be helpful. |
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Well not possible strikes anymore they have started guess we will have to wait and see what happens now.
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Multiple Chemical weapon facilities targeted in Syria.
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Operation Desert Stormy is underway, then...
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This will have as much military and political impact as last year’s strikes - absolutely none. |
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Hugh and Sirius have been in the military if my memory serves me right Noel.
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Who was involved in last year's bombings? A three-way effort should have more political impact than efforts from eg just one country. |
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We (and the Americans) are very good at involving ourselves in Political & Religious 'wars' that have been waged for hundreds of years. Most of the time these idealistic confrontations are ingrained in the very heart and culture of the people involved. You won't stop them unless you either wipe them out or manage to change their beliefs . . . good luck with the latter :rolleyes: |
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