UPDATED: British Prosecutors: 2 Russian Nationals Identified as Novichok Suspects.
 

This is a BREAKING & Developing story.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-krem...6-spy-11278291

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Let's see what happens now but it's not looking great. Much like Litvinenko. Also much like Litvinenko in that this toxin appears to have put others around him, like the medical staff, at risk. They had to close the A&E.

If Russia did do it then action needs to be taken surely?

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I see Boris is flapping his mouth again :td:

STFU Boris, this has nothing to do with football. :mad:

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He has since clarified he meant everyone but the team (and fans).

Still you wouldn't want to be the team about to play Russia....bring your own food testers.

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Of course if they are found to be guilty, Boris is talking of further sanctions, you know what my views on sanctions are though.

I saw a Journo on twitter say former British Spy, Christopher Steele was the lead MI6 investigator of the Litvinenko case. As we know, Steele is the one who allegedly got unverified information from Russians for the 'Russia Trump Dossier'.

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Latest from Scotland Yard: Counter Terrorism Police now taking over the investigation of this case, I am assuming this will involve MI6 involvement.

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I guess they've already ruled out suicide then?

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I think they have to be dead for it to be considered as suicide (or murder)...

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A lot of Putin's critics/opposition are notoriously haphazard about their personal safety and keep getting into accidents. Are we sure that isn't what happened here?

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:tu: good spot Hugh . . . . should I edit my post to add 'attempted' ;)

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Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, but the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, etc. etc., is unlikely not to have a common cause...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...ists_in_Russia

http://uk.businessinsider.com/list-o...inating-2016-3

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/09/w...a-okuyeva.html

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The common cause is that these people keep getting into accidents of their own making Hugh. To suggest otherwise about someone as great as Putin, a man who definitely was not able to poison people in the UK :erm:, is crazy!

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Latest: Russian Embassy in London is saying the UK Authorities should step in immediately to "End the Demonisation" of Russia, accusing the UK Media of a "Anti-Russian campaign" and a spokeswoman for the Russian Foreign Ministry says Boris Johnson's comments of Former Russian Spy Sergei Skripal, are "Wild".

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.. https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...2&d=1520358079

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Doubtless the Trumpster will be condemning his Russian pals (not).

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We are not having another discussion about Trump here. Unless he or America has some involvement as this story develops then keep on topic.

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Anyone know where Corbyn was when this happened

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Just think that buffoon Boris, has put his foot in it again. He should tell his research's, and his secretary on how too write his notes. Just waiting to see what that other **** DT has to say.

He is bound to tweet about it

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Arthur...Are you blind?

Damien posted this just two or so posts up.

- -

Not every thread has to be about Trump.

Also stop using language that is triggering the swear filter.

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I have no doubt Russia is involved in this just lately quite a few people Putin doesn't like have had illnesses or accidents leading to death. He is another stalin with ambitions to put the soviet union back together and despite his many cock handed mistakes we would be wise to strengthen our military forces for the future troubles that will come.

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Yes, like they seem to be prone to accidentally pouring polonium instead of milk into their tea...

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BREAKING: MET Police update: Rare Nerve Agent was Administered in a targeted Attemptive Murder on Ex-Russian Spy. Both him and his daughter remain in critical condition. Sadly a police officer who was a first responder on scene is also in serious condition in hospital.

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If they’ve then poisoned a British citizen...

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. . . phone call to Putin:

It appears one of your lot has poisoned one of ours.

Oh dear, that's awful. Rest assured I will deal with the person involved once I receive from you the proof of who, when, where and how *click*

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Not a court case though. We can react diplomatically if we know it’s them.

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You mean send Boris over to have a word :D

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No, we’ll just send Boris over with a one way ticket and a wiff waff bat.

That should scare them enough to mend their ways - if not, at least he’s over there, rather than over here... :D

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I think it probably would scare them, I'm sure they'd find him witty for the first week but after that I'm sure they'd be as bored of his act as the rest of us are, being poisoned by vlad might even be a blessing after a couple of months with him

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Hmm could that be classed as a declaration of war

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Let's not jump to conclusions about "they"

There is speculation in some quarters that this was not an act by agents but that the daughter had bought with her a gift from someone in Russia that contained the nerve agent and it was opened by her in the presence of her father.

Sounds a bit more plausible than reds under the bed.

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I am open to the idea it isn't them however....

I am not an expert in chemical weapons but apparently nerve agents are exceedingly hard to make, obtain and store. It doesn't sound plausible that you could unintentionally come across a nerve agent and carry it around with you unwittingly. I assume it has to very carefully stored and managed.

Also what could she possibly buy that just happens to contain a nerve agent? :erm: At best someone could have had to have given that to her to take back.

I think a former Russian spy who'd turned being targeted by those he turned against is more likely than accidentally flying around Europe with nerve agents. Where is this speculation coming from?

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Really - didn’t you read the links about the multiple ‘accidents’ to other people who have upset Putin?

How would the gift get to contain a ‘very rare’ nerve agent that can only be manufactured by a government facility?

As the police said http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43326734

Occam’s Razor - the simplest solution is the most likely...

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Well it seems somebody thinks it's a theory woth looking into:

I can't source a link to the Times reference though.

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That still implies it was a state action but they used his daughter as a mechanism for delivery. Quite how they would work without her suspecting anything or it being detected though...

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On that we can agree.

Think aftershave: He tests it on his face, her on her wrist.

Anyway I think this Times report is the one being cited by other news outlets.

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None of this makes any sense. He had been pardoned by the Russian State, so if it was Russia, why were they still pursuing him?

Reports suggest he was under some form of protection from MI6. A former MI6 woman said, decontamination officials arrived very quickly on scene, as if they expected this kind of attack.

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To send a message that you can't escape if you've acted against Russia.

Nah. Apparently people called the emergency services after seeing them collapse hence when the policeman also got exposed.

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Good news on the officer lets hope for his full recovery.

Mmm. Unless there's a lot that they know that hasn't been released that's a bold statement.

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Following on from this it would be interesting to see these reports. From the looks of it it look a while for decontamination teams to arrive and the incident was orginally dealt with by normal police who had no idea what they were dealing with: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...sergei-skripal

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That's not what a former MI6 spokeswoman said yesterday on the news. She said they arrived very quickly. I don't trust anything wrote in the guardian anyway so not going to comment further.

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They're photographs showing the scene. I am sure they arrived quickly but the post made it sound as if they suddenly turned up within minutes of the poisoning as if they had a tip-off. In reality they didn't know what they were dealing with for a while.

Anyway the bigger question is how they managed to position this people.

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43330498

From a Russian State TV announcer, Kirill Kleimenov, on government-controlled Channel One's flagship Vremya news programme Not exactly subtle...

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A gift from friends? What kind of friend gives you a bottle of nerve agent on your birthday? :Yikes:

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Ultimate prank!

If this is the route then it would be someone intentionally giving it her on the hope she gives it her dad. That makes more sense than accidentally giving your nerve agent in a gift. I still think it's less likely because the risk she would open it at any point seems quite high to me.

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If the gift was specifically for the father, e.g. Aftershave it's unlikely that she would open it before being with her father. As targeted delivery it's not a bad ploy.

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A non persistent nerve agent isn't something you buy off the shelf and happen to find in aftershave or any other gift. This has fsb written all over it and the chances of them doing anything without Putin's approval is right up there with snowball fights in hell but in practical terms there is sod all we can do about it and that's why Russia doesn't care about pulling this crap in the UK. Russia is becoming more belligerent and despite rhetoric there are no consequences and with the white house in a total mess in relation to Russia there is unlikely to be any action there either.

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I was thinking about this earlier and it doesn't add up to me either, they wouldn't do this so close to world cup, it's not the winter Olympics that no one watches like the crimea, the eyes of the world will be on them and to do this to someone who they valued so little that they'd swop them when they already had him in prison makes no sense either.

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Well if Boris gets to pull the England team out of the contest than that would be one less opposition team to worry about.

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Russia know the world cup won’t be impacted. They invaded Ukraine without FIFA doing anything. The eyes of the world are the point, it’s a brazen display of confidence ahead of Putin’s reelection. It’s a message that if you betray Russia they’ll get you back wherever you are and whatever deal has been arranged.

Who else is going to poison someone who worked against Russia in a manner they’ve done before in the U.K? Unless you subscribe to the Galloway theory that it was the Americans in revenge for the Trump dossier.

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There's an element of ego involved with Putin he will hit out at any Russian defector not so much for what they might have done but as a sign to everyone in Russia that getting out doesn't mean safe. Putin is a ruthless sociopath he's just a lot better at playing the international game then the mediocre politicians in the west who exude nothing but weakness.

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The world cup could be impacted, not by FIFA as they're bought and paid for already but by countries advising their citizens not to travel, unlike the winter Olympics which happened during the Ukraine invasion people will actually be watching the half empty stadiums, that'll inspire confidence and the annexation of the Ukraine was far more important to them than revenge against one man speaking of which why would they wait to get revenge when they had him in jail and considered him to have such little further value that they swooped him. No I don't think it was the Americans but then I don't think it's to far a stretch of imagination for someone who deals in treachery to have screwed over someone else who mixs in more powerful circles to have decided to settle a personal score.

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I would bet a lot that FIFA would not move the World Cup. This is the organisation that award it to Russia in the first place and then Qatar. Even harder to move it so close to the tournament itself. As long as Russia publicly deny it then they'll protest their innocence all along.

Why would they target one man? Because they can. They didn't need to target Liventko either. It's designed to be noticed. Killing someone with a nerve agent leaves little room for doubt into whose responsible.

I don't know it was Russia obviously but it seems more likely given this is something they've done before and they have the clearest motive here. If it were someone settling a personal score you can do that without having to get access to these types of chemicals.

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We are outraged, this calls for some huffy rhetoric and a token gesture or 2

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That's what I said, that FIFA won't do anything but it is true what you say about score settling

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My curiosity is how and where it was administered, and in what 'form' the substance used was.

They were found 'unconscious on a park bench' in the open air.

A policeman who came to their aid also became infected. Did the policeman become infected because he attempted mouth to mouth resuscitation on one of the victims?

If not, was the substance on their skin, their clothes, the bench?

Presumably it has to be either liquid or solid, as a gas would have dissipated long before help arrived?

If so, what would all 3 people touch? A carrier bag, sandwich bag, bottled drink, cigarettes?

I'm sure the answers will be revealed eventually, but I do like a good 'how did they do that' discussion.

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It's more than that. 21 people have received treatment. Sounds a bit too messy for Russia.

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Yes I've just seen that . .

police said a total of 21 people had been seen for medical treatment in the aftermath of the incident.
The figure includes members of the public and emergency staff, some of whom have had blood tests as well as receiving support and advice.

I wonder if it's just precautionary though, ensuring anyone with 'first contact' are given the once over to allay any worries they may have.

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They were sloppy with Liventko too. There was contamination in their hotel room, where they had been around London and even on the plane.

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I would imagine that these are precautionary and also those who get "symptoms" just because they've been told that they might have been contaminated.

It's the sort of reverse placebo effect.

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There's a person at my work place who likes reading medical articles on the internet . . . and constantly develops many strange afflictions - some of which are impossible with their gender :D

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Precaution and the placebo effect could well explain the other 18 but not the police officer.

As regards Litventko, not sloppy enough to affect any other person.

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It's all starting to sound very . . . . strange :erm:

The police are now saying:
Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who is being treated in hospital, was made seriously ill after being sent to Colonel Skripal’s house in Salisbury.

Det Sgt Bailey was one of the first police officers to attend the house in a cul-de-sac a few hours after Col Skripal and his daughter Yulia collapsed in Salisbury town centre.


so . . one of the first, not the first.
I would assume (yes I know) that other officers would have attended the home earlier, rather than drag an officer away from the location of the initial incident?

Call me whatever you like, but I'm starting to question what comes out in the media.

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Reporting can be a bit confusing in the aftermath of an incident. I don't really see the issue here though?

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This would also explain the large investigation surrounding his house.

There's more to this than meets the eye and IMHO quite rightly the media are not being informed fully about the scope of the investigation.

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I think it lends credence to Heero's theory that this was passed via a 'present'. Of course now the question is how Heero, or should I say Comrade Heero, knew so much about this. :D

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Yeah you're probably right, it appears that it was put forward as a 'possibility' and then pounced on as fact by the media ;)

I'm glad I don't do facebook or twitter, I'd be confused for the rest of my life by the 'true facts' reported on there :D

. . . me decides to turn the interweb off and get more guitar practice done :)

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Twitter can in some circumstances be a good source of information if you bear in mind "due dilligence" i.e. if you are going to quote it as a source check it out first! Normally (not always) a link is given, if not ignore it (unless you wish to quote the person who is the subject for their post).

Facebook is for the braindead who'll believe anything.

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17 other were affected, but not at a long-term risk to life level.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...russia.science

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The police have said 21 minus 3 =???

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my quote was about the Litvinenko poisoning.

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OK, the difference between "any increased [health] risk in the long term is likely to be very small".

To an officer who is still under care in hospital.

Not much different then depending on your POV.

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You said

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The Russians are laughing at us, they know we'll do diddly squat. They seem to now have infiltrated most of our social media. It sounds pathetic, but much as I like football, the thing they would most notice of is a World Cup boycott. Its the least we can do, but we'd need our EU friends back us up (oh no , I forgot, we've made enemies of them too....)

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Not all Russian people like Putin and they would like to see him gone....

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I'd say the majority of ordinary Russians would be happy with no Putin but given the state surveillance that's been ramped up by Putin it's a brave russian that would whisper that. The increase in positive russian social media coverage has everything to do with two social media departments setup one by the fsb in st petersburg and the other by the ministry for foreign affairs in moscow. Estimates range from fifty thousand upto two hundred and fifty thousand being paid to put up pro russian comments as well as adopting names in english and claiming to be nationals from the west that support everything russia does and saying they wish they lived in russia.

It's digital propaganda and it's mostly bovine excrement but it seems to keep vlad happy he likes positive comments even when he's paying for them.

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Never met anyone online who is pro Putin or Russia..My spider senses would be tingling if I had.

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To true - hopefully it is not Polonium-210... I can not believe that Colonel Skripal used his real surname at his address in Salisbury.

There are a number of conspiracy theories bouncing around at the moment which does not help in finding the real truth. After forensics have been done and the suspicious chemical is identified then we will know who to apportion the blame. I wonder what our government's response will be. I wish the Colonel Skripal and his daughter a full recovery.

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Putin isn't scared he's pretty much said to the world a few days ago that we are back on the map again don't mess with us. Not sure why but I can imagine the next big war to come will be against Russia

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Every time Russia is implicated in something there seem to be a million twitter accounts, memes and 'alternative' news sites spinning a different story. It was the same when the passenger airline got shot down too. They rarely stand up to even the slightest inspection but of course the aim isn't to have a different story but to cast enough doubt on the 'official' story that everyone just gives up and assumes there is no truth.

The Soviet Union did this a lot and you would find it propagated by communist sympathisers in Britain.

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I do not think a war with Russia would ever be on the cards the consequences would be to horrendous to contemplate for the world - a no win, no gain scenario.

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That assumes sensible leadership in charge of the weapons.

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That also assumes it is down to one person to launch a nuclear attack. That may be the impression given but I think the reality is different.

Yes the leader of a nuclear country may be the final arbiter of the button being pressed but I would imagine checks and balances will be in place before it gets to that stage.

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I think in the end it's the leader who one decides. They don't need anyone else approval or sign-off. At least formally.

But then you have the issue of if those commands are followed. There is a least example of an operator refusing to fire nuclear weapons in the Cold War.

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This is starting to look a bit mismanaged: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...zzi-restaurant

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This just proves that Russia can get to people if they want. At the moment it's their own but push a few buttons you never know who is next.

It doesn't help Russia is all over the spot light at the minute. I think they want this for whatever reasons I don't know. Are they the new NK?

We can't do anything about it. We certainly can't win a war with them. We haven't got Europe on side and they don't seem to get involved in anything anyway unless it involves £££. I'm not even sure if America would get involved in a Russian spat?

The last couple of years we have seen a lot going in with Russia yet nobody seems to say anything to them, yet we see the likes of America threatening to smash a country they know can't fight back for doing far less.

The question is if it does actually come out that Russia which probably is involved in this what are we going to do about it where Putin won't simply stick 2 fingers up?

There is definitely a new type of cold war coming Russia is playing the long game Putin has nothing to fear even from his own political rivals.

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I think it is naive to believe anyone can just push a button to launch a nuclear attack. The leader of any nation may be the one to make a final decision but would expect it to go through the normal chain of command first.

Add to that it takes time to launch a ballistic missile and anti ballistic missiles exist makes it even more remote.

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Good article here about the process and scenarios.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/11/17...ar-weapons-war

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PM expected to stand up to Russia and blame Kremlin for this poison attempt on British soil again.

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A Russian State Journalist says it could be a ‘grave’ mistake Britain blaming Russia on this attack, when burden of proof has not yet been properly determined.

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Russians can say what they want. I believe our government over theirs.

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We shall see where this goes, PM to give Statement in Commons at 4.30PM.

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BREAKING: Prime Minister in the Commons chamber, accuses Russia of a State Sponsored Assassination attempt on Sergei Skripal and his daughter on British Soil using a Military grade Nerve Agent...

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They've summoned the Russian ambassador to explain themselves or questioning if they've 'lost control' of their nerve agent stocks. The type of nerve agent is apparently one linked with them.

They've given Russia until Wednesday or it is looking like there are serious consequences.

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PM:"Britain will conclude Action Amounts to use of force on British Territory, if there is no credible response from Russia."

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Very strong words being conveyed against Russia in the Commons. One Tory MP suggesting "not quite an act of war" but it is a war like act by Russia."

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Said that when it happened

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...6&postcount=28

Didn't think much of Corbyn's response, when we needed to stand as one he's banging on about party donations, a point I feel that needed making, just not today.

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Agreed, it was disgusting his response, times like this, partisanship needs to be left at the door.

MPs have just been calling for Russia Today News channel to be banned in the UK.

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There has been some reaction from a Russian Minister spokesperson, "PM's Statement was a 'circus' show in the British Parliament and the UK will look very foolish waiting 24 hours for a response"

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Some information from a Times Journalist on the Novichok Nerve Agent:-

https://twitter.com/LOS_Fisher/statu...56181849444352

"Novichok sounds pretty grim: it's reportedly 10 times more potent than VX, more resistant to antidotes & more difficult to detect than other nerve agents."

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Cutting off dialogue is one of the worse things to do.

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BREAKING: Reaction from Washington DC:

White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee-Sanders replies with the following on receiving a question on May's statement against Russia earlier this evening:

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Will be interested to see if Trump passes the sanctions against Russia that Congress would like him to.

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That's a matter for congress to discuss with him, it's nothing to do with the situation in the UK.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

You say that but I'm sure it will place pressure on him.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

Latest: More Reaction from the U.S:- U.S Secretary of State Rex Tillerson says ex-spy's poisoning in UK 'clearly came from Russia,' vows it 'will trigger a response. Source. Associated Press.

Re: New UK-Russia Tensions after Ex-Russian Spy Poisoned in Salisbury
 

I've had a think about it, heard a few other people's perspective and I think Corbyn did the right thing now, he and Mrs May handled it very well together and got the tone between them spot on.

That's another odd thing, it's one of those things that didn't make sense to me the other day, this stuff is so toxic and yet the victims are still alive, professional assassin types with one of the most dangerous things around and they are still alive, obviously that's a very good thing but it doesn't say much about the quality of killer they have does it, all this talk of they're sending a message, what's that then, that they're pretty useless at this kind of thing.