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RichardCoulter 28-10-2017 18:22

Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
From 28/11/17 Amazon will begin rolling out this service in America:

https://www.dezeen.com/2017/10/26/am...or-technology/

Would you be happy to do this? There will be a security camera for added peace of mind.

I would, but only because opening my front door leads to an area where the parcel could be left, without needing access to my home.

Kabaal 28-10-2017 18:27

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Maybe if i had a storm door but i don't so no.

Paul 28-10-2017 18:36

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
No chance, someone could follow them, and gain entry to your house.
Your insurance company would have a field day refusing any theft claims.

They can leave it with a neighbour.

Mick 28-10-2017 18:51

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
I am curious how one grants Amazon access... cut them a key?

Yeah sure...

Hom3r 28-10-2017 19:10

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922277)
I am curious how one grants Amazon access... cut them a key?

Yeah sure...

Its an electronic key that uses something like NFC.

You have a master.

Say you are having family around and you are running late, you can send them via an app "A key" and they can let themselves in.

I would use this, only if I had a front porch that had a second house door.

RichardCoulter 28-10-2017 19:36

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35922273)
No chance, someone could follow them, and gain entry to your house.
Your insurance company would have a field day refusing any theft claims.

They can leave it with a neighbour.

Good point, even if the courier was honest, I'm sure that any subsequent problems would be refused by your insurance company as an easy way not to pay out.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35922282)
Its an electronic key that uses something like NFC.

You have a master.

Say you are having family around and you are running late, you can send them via an app "A key" and they can let themselves in.

I would use this, only if I had a front porch that had a second house door.

So, am I right in thinking that people would have to replace their existing locks with this System (or leave them disengaged when they are expecting a delivery).

My insurance company insists on a minimum level of security for all outside doors, so may not pay out if I used this system. Another excuse not to pay out and a reason that I hadn't thought about before I voted 'other' as it's put me off.

Hugh 28-10-2017 19:54

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It’s all explained in the article...

Quote:

Amazon Key combines an app, a smart lock and the new Amazon Cloud Cam – an indoor security camera – to provide in-home delivery without the need for physical keys or access codes.

When a driver requests access to a customer's home, Amazon ensures they are at the right address at the right time through an "encrypted authentication process".

Once verified, the door is automatically unlocked and the Cloud Cam records the drop-off. Users can watch this live or review a recording later, and receive regular notifications about the delivery status all through the app...

...An Amazon Key In-Home Kit includes an Amazon Cloud Cam and a compatible smart lock, by manufacturers Yale and Kwikset, and starts at $249.99. Users can set up the system themselves, or opt for free professional installation.

Mr K 28-10-2017 19:56

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Sounds like a right faff. What's wrong with shove it behind the Wheely bin?

denphone 28-10-2017 20:04

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922296)
Sounds like a right faff. What's wrong with shove it behind the Wheely bin?

When we order we make sure that someone is going to be at home on the day of delivery.

weenie 28-10-2017 21:17

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
My house has a porch then a locked door to the living room but there is no way I would grant access, what I do sometimes is leave the garage open if hubby's motor bike is not there but most of the time I just leave the shed door open and leave instructions for the item to left there.

heero_yuy 29-10-2017 13:06

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
If you're going to be out that often I'd go for some giant post box next to the front door.

RichardCoulter 29-10-2017 13:25

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35922295)
It’s all explained in the article...

But you'd have to either take off your existing locks, remember not to use them if expecting a delivery and pay going on for £200!

Can't see this taking off.

nashville 29-10-2017 13:31

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
This is crazy to me. Your house could be emptied

RichardCoulter 29-10-2017 16:17

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Indeed, all of the Amazon couriers that i've ever had have sounded like EU nationals.

If so, they might be honest, they might not.

If not, even with the film evidence, I doubt they'd ever be caught with the EU open border system.

I know that the police co-operate in bringing criminals who have absconded abroad, but with them saying that some burglaries won't now be investigated due to a lack of resources, I doubt that they would bother tracing someone abroad for a TV etc.

Earlier this year a friend had a delivery whilst she was out and he stole all her garden furniture! It was only when she told the company that she had it recorded on security cameras that he brought the items back with some wet excuse that he thought they'd been left out for the binmen!

Maybe the police would pursue people abroad for something like murder, but not this.

Dude111 30-10-2017 06:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter
From 28/11/17 Amazon will begin rolling out this service in America:

There are plenty of sheep in this contry who will and its disgusting....

Ken W 30-10-2017 07:56

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922296)
Sounds like a right faff. What's wrong with shove it behind the Wheely bin?


Or under the flower pot with a notice saying Key under Flower Pot. :)

Stuart 30-10-2017 11:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35922448)
Or under the flower pot with a notice saying Key under Flower Pot. :)

My favourite experience was when Tesco delivered something to my house. They left it cunningly concealed under my door mat. The problem is it was an upright vacuum cleaner.

Would I let any courier in to my house? No. EU National or not, you don't know what kind of vetting they've been through. Probably little vetting, especially if they are casual labour. Also, if something were stolen, the first thing the insurance company would ask would probably be "Why are you letting strangers into your house when no one is there?". Shortly before they deny the insurance claim because you let strangers into an unattended house.

Sorry, but I'd far rather they leave the order with a neighbour, or if it's not too valuable, leave it on my doorstep. It would be expensive to implement, but surely a better idea would be for Amazon to provide a secure box that the homeowner can get securely mounted out the front of their house, and the Amazon courier could leave any deliveries in that?

nashville 30-10-2017 11:56

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Would your house insurance pay out, if this was the case, I don't think so!

downquark1 30-10-2017 12:46

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
This could work in houses with a porch and second lock.

Stuart 30-10-2017 13:21

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
it could. It would essentially be a cheaper version of my secure box idea.

Paul 30-10-2017 14:43

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Unless its too large, they already provide Amazon Lockers.

Stuart 30-10-2017 15:02

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
True, and I have made use of them.

TheDaddy 01-11-2017 07:35

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35922473)
My favourite experience was when Tesco delivered something to my house. They left it cunningly concealed under my door mat. The problem is it was an upright vacuum cleaner.

Could have been worse...

Quote:

A Yodel spokesperson said: ‘One of our drivers was overly enthusiastic in his attempt to deliver a parcel for a customer who was out: aiming for an open window, he missed and found the roof.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/21/yodel-...place-5517887/

RichardCoulter 08-11-2017 13:08

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
From the poll it seems that most people aren't exactly enamoured with this idea.

Carth 08-11-2017 13:16

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
once had a note through the door saying 'parcel left underneath car'

which I thought was strange as I'd just arrived home from work - in the car

upon looking over the fence I saw the parcel under the neighbours car

screw online shopping :D

RichardCoulter 22-11-2017 19:58

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
Malaware Bytes is advising against buying the smart locks needed for this initiative:

https://blog.malwarebytes.com/securi...LocksFree-Cart

tweetiepooh 23-11-2017 09:10

Re: Would you allow Amazon access to your empty home?
 
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171120/10533238651/vulnerability-found-amazon-key-again-showing-how-dumber-tech-is-often-smarter-option.shtml


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