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BREAKING: There are reports of an explosion at Parsons Green on the London Underground. Fire crews are in attendance and Police. There are some reports of injuries.... More to follow...

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Lets hope and pray that the injuries are not serious and that there are no fatalities.

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Looks like a failed attempt at a bomb going by the photos.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/09/10.jpg

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It seems to have partially detonated, as it seems to have caused a number of injuries, such as burns or scratches. Certainly looks sinister, meant to cause maximum carnage.

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Deputy Assistant Commissioner Neil Basu has now declared it a terrorist incident.

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Former MOD Staff: Looks like a typical Pressure cooker bomb that has malfunctioned.

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Trump might have leaked some information on who this is: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...42277987356673

Could just be oddly phrased or it might be mean this was done by someone already under suspicion...

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And now we have a terrorist's wet dream..changing TV schedules to provide 24 hour publicity for their cause..and endless speculation from experts and bystanders. I'd rather we kept things normal and wait until there is real info announced and then sympathy for the victims. I hate the way this gives more publicity to the perpetrators/recruiters.

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Agreed. We all say that we won't let them win and let it disrupt our lives and then the TV channels do just the opposite and publicise it 24/7!

A news blackout wouldn't work in today's society, so I think your suggestion is the best solution Maggy.

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I'd imagine there'll be CCTV images of the ******* who did this, so let's hope he's caught and not allowed to disappear out of the country.

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I do not agree with a news blackout, people need free flowing information. These incidents are fluid, people need to know what is going on, where to avoid.

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:tu:

I was listening to a reporter at the scene on Radio London this morning and found his persistent questions to all and sundry quite off-putting. At one point he approached one of the injured and had to be told quite firmly by someone assisting the victim that the person was not in a fit state to be questioned. It doesn't look like the media lessons which were supposed to have been learned after the Greenfell disaster have percolated through to all our journalists and I too find the saturation coverage and endless media speculation annoying. The media may have a job to do but they don't have a right to treat scared, traumatised and even injured people in this manner. Furthermore all they achieve is spreading rumours and mis-information whilst giving the bombers what they want.

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That's fine when it's done by the emergency services on the scene. There can never be a blackout but the media need to allow the injured to get help and the emergency services to do their jobs then report what's happened in a responsible manner. Endless speculation just adds to the confusion and spreads fear.

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With social media, people everywhere having mobiles and instant net access it would be unenforcible anyway. The resulting Chinese whispers would be much worse than the actual authorititive reporting.

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It'd be interesting to find out if those who took the images of the device would do so again. Yes it'd clearly partially gone off but they couldn't have known another explosion wasn't imminent. I don't think I'd have hung around to find out.

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We need to never nam the terrorist or group, nor include them in the death/injured figures.

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UK threat level raised from Severe to Critical, thus an attack is imminent.

http://news.sky.com/story/uk-terror-...tical-11037366

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Let's face it(like that's ever going to happen), an attack will ALWAYS be imminent. Any plans will now be changed, people will go into hiding etc.

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I'm still curious on Trumps tweet, for which he has been scolded all day for. About this attack being in the sights of Scotland Yard. ISIS has now claimed responsibility, but they would. Terror threat level gets raised. What is next.... ?

That Authorities tell us what Trump did 12 hours earlier than the UK did. That the terrorist(s) are known to Terror police and the MI5.

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This is very true.

The intelligence network will not want to say that they didn't know of the perpetrators existence.

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You have to ask, they say they have from the cctv identified who left the bucket bomb in the Lidl bag. This was early Fri afternoon.

The bomber(s) are at large and a major threat, why have the Police not released any pictures or footage of the terrorists?

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How many Lidl's in London area?

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Presumably the Intelligence services/police didn't want information to get out yet.

Maybe to stop them going underground? Trying to make them not panic and think they've gotten away?

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The police say they know who they are so they are already in panic mode, and probably now gone underground. The public should be seeing who they are, at the moment they could be anyone and plant another bomb on a train or other public transport and no one knows who they are.

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I don't know but I trust they know what they're doing here. They've used the media before and if they know who they are then it's clearly a deliberate operational reason as to why they've haven't yet made it public.

Another possibility is that they don't want to tip off possible associates?

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I am not sure I understand the point?

I would think that given 7/7 Terror attack, CCTV was increased significantly on the London Underground, on all the platforms and in the carriages themselves, so when I say they have trawled through the footage and identified the terrorist, it would not be hard to deduce, that someone was carrying a bucket, in a Lidl bag for life and that there is footage of them getting on with it and then, they are seen walking off, with no Lidl bag.

Apparently on this specific line, there was 5 stops before the bomb partially detonated.

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First arrest.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41292528

There must be copious CCTV footage available, the problem is sifting through it all. If these people were on the radar then I'm sure further arrests will follow shortly but the security services will no doubt have wanted to monitor their movements etc. for a while before acting.

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Only 18 as well, such a waste of a life going down this path of wanting to kill and massacre many people. Obviously lacked experience and that it would seem he tried to leave country, being found at a port in Dover.

What he obviously does not figure out, is that his photo would have done the rounds to all the ports and then these ports quietly tip off the police.

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It's being reported that a home currently being raided by Police, in connection to yesterday's terrorist attack is that of a foster couple who were given an MBE in 2010 for services to children refugees.

http://news.sky.com/story/police-ope...green-11038383

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Breaking News: Second man arrested in connection with the incident.

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The Police and authorities are behaving very sinister here. Why has no information been released on the bomber yet?

All we know so far is that he is 18 and that searches of his possible home address where this poor respectable elderly couple, through no fault of their own, have possibly been betrayed by one or two of the people they (and we the UK) took in, refugees, in their hour of need and that this possible refugee being fed, housed and provided for, their payback is to mass murder our people.

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Alleged bomber Mick or possibly just has information they want.

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I would even go so far as saying that the UK is not sharing Intel with the US again, given the identity of the terrorist has not been leaked by the New York Times yet.

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Is it any surprise given their blabbermouth President ?

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Here you go again with inaccuracies. :rolleyes:

He did not leak anything, he criticised in the tweet and as for leaks last time it was the gutter press, NYT who published leaked crime scene photos of the Manchester Arena bombing.

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Theresa had to tell him off for his latest tweet, which compromised the ongoing investigation (again).
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7948876.html

Don't tell the US anything, they can't be trusted.

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Saying they were "in the sights of Scotland Yard" ?

Could you explain how that is compromising any investigation.

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It obviously did otherwise the PM wouldn't have to have told him off.

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Right ....... obviously :dozey:

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Announcing to the world that we know who they are may make them change whatever plans they have, which could result in any intelligence that's been gathered becoming useless.

If you haven't caught someone yet I would imagine it's far more effective for them to believe you know nothing.

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Yes, of course, they must be so stupid that they actually believe we know nothing about them all.

Any terrorist with an once of intelligence would know that their identity will be discovered pretty quickly.

How does "intelligence that's been gathered" become useless ?

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The context of 'were' makes it sound like the person was known to the police. I.E He was a 'person of interest' prior to the bombing. Don't think it compromises the investigation, he may have been speculating anyway, but it was an interesting bit of info.

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Theresa May did not tell him off at all. She said any speculation, from any person, was unhelpful, that is not a telling off. Theresa May has not got the tenacity to tell anybody off.

But just wait a few hours, it may be announced shortly that what Trump tweeted was accurate and that this terrorist was on a watch list or radar and as usual, authorities wait until they carry out an attack, potentially kill more of our citizens and then we repeat the same old, lighting of a candles, standing in solidarity cliche, that does not and will not stop further terrorist events.

As for trusting the US. I trust the US more under a Trump Presidency than an Obama/Clinton Presidency, remember, Obama was prepared to dump us at the back of the queue, if we voted leave, so not only was he prepared to sideline us and Hillary Clinton would have done same, had she won, (thank goodness that disaster was avoided), he interfered in a foreign election/referendum by blackmailing us and the UK Government stood back and allowed it!

We should trust the US with our Intel, they are after all, our most important ally. What we should not trust, is the Obama holdovers still in the White House, still in post and intent on undermining the Trump Presidency by leaking information to the gutter press, i.e the aforementioned, New York Times.

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It probably was accurate. He has access to intel we don't. Hence the interest in this tweet.

Also the lighting of candles etc isn't mean to stop further terrorist attack but is more about the moral of those involved. People like to make symbolic acts of defiance, or solidarity. We're humans not robots. Nothing wrong with that.

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Yes, I understand that and it's how humans deal with severe tragedies, I get that, but how many times do we have to go through this before we do something about it?

I don't know what that 'something' is. But something needs to be done, we cannot carry on waiting for the next atrocity after atrocity.

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That's the problem. We don't know what that something is.

We've tried foreign intervention but that doesn't, might have even made it worse. We've made being a member of any group which advocates terrorism illegal but these people don't become card-carrying members of such groups. It's illegal to look at any such material but I wonder how hard that is to actually enforce.

I think the end there is only so much you can do against people were are willing to get cars/make homemade bombs/get a knife to kill people. The best we can do is not let these people have such a hold of our collective imaginations.

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I think we should limit how much attention we pay to these incidents publicly..it just gives publicity to their cause.

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Thats a hard thing to limit when its such a big event. People were hurt and worse can happen. Also with Social Media there will always be live videos now from people that were there or close by.

Also ignoring these events in the news will then lead to some folk claiming they are trying to cover it up and deliberatly playing it down.

No win situation really.

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It's common knowledge that the authorities have their eyes on several thousand budding jihadists. I don't see how what Trump said alerts these people any more than that fact does. They'll all be working on the assumption that they may well be being monitored.

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Nobody's saying don't mention it, but do we really need umpteen reports full of speculation, images of distraught/injured people and statements of the obvious? The media should stick to the facts given by the police and other emergency services there's no need for so much repetition followed by the usual raft of debates about the terror threat when nothing has changed and we're going to be living with this for a very long time. If something different happens then of course cover it and give what new advice we can to the public but there's no need for all this forensic coverage.

4 people died on the M5 yesterday and 3 are still critically ill. We're not being treated to endless coverage and speculation about that, we accept it's part of modern life. We need to get this into perspective and not create more fear and uncertainty than is warranted. The chances of any of us being killed or injured in a terrorist attack is miniscule, far less than going out in our cars.

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True, maybe this is a better option:

By cutting off the oxygen of publicity they won't gain the 'glory' of what they've done.

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UK Security level is downgraded back to Severe, meaning an attack is 'Highly likely.' Which is what it was at before Friday's attack.

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:clap:

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Arrested suspect named.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ahyah-farroukh

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Wow the guanriad parroting a sun article, shows the level that the ailing guanriad has sunk to. :D

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Its was the first link l saw carrying the said story.:D

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I feel sorry for the elderly couple here. They have took in and fostered hundreds of vulnerable children. Yes it is very sad and bad that it seems two of the refugees they have took in, have betrayed them in such a massive way.

They have received a horrible backlash from ignorant people.

I have seen reports though that the 18 year old who left the bomb, was arrested two weeks ago, so he was known to authorities. Trump appears correct in his tweet.

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Sadly we live in a society where a minority want a instant gratification of blaming someone or some group without any said proof or facts.

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If it turns out that those responsible were refugees it'll be yet more proof of the dangers inherent in admitting large numbers of people into the country when you have little or no real idea who they are, what their motives are or even how mentally ill/scarred they may be (which could of course be through no fault of their own).

It's all very well offering refuge but unless there are safeguards, services, benefits, education, training, jobs etc. put in place we're likely asking for a whole heap of future trouble from people who become radicalised because, rightly or wrongly, they feel badly let down. Even if we do all we reasonably can there'll be those who feel it isn't enough and decide to take revenge in some way and that's aside from any who come here with the sole intention of doing us harm although they're likely to be a very small minority I'd have thought. What the answer to this is God only knows... :shrug:

As regards the host family, yes it is awful that they're being targeted but it'd be even more awful that those they took in and cared for may have had become involved in something so awful and possibly even endangered them.

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ISIS did warn west they would send their soldiers among refugees. It would very difficult to assess who is a genuine refugee and who is not. Most refugees arrive with just the clothes on their back, no documentation or identity.

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I think ISIS just said that for propaganda. Realistically there always seems to be a handful of teenagers at risk of radicalisation either people born here or who've come over as refugees for them to bother with that surely?

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Why not "bother with it"? It's an ideal method of infiltration. They already have radicalised people born here who they can send back as disilllusioned with ISIS (good cover story) or many others who can be inserted into the streams of refugees with ease.

Don't forget they are fighting a war on the west not just other muslims and infiltration and subversion has always been a part of any war.

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I reckon they said it both for propaganda and because it's true, albeit in small numbers in the UK at least. That being said it doesn't take many people to start radicalising or training others does it so we're probably yet to feel the extent of how many people have come here and wish to do us harm.

ISIS are in the fortunate position to be able to exploit any situation to suit their ends and that includes the migrant crisis. They can do it by sending operatives amongst the 'refugees' and they can use the plight of the refugees to further outrage and radicalise muslims already in Europe and the UK. They know that 99% of people will reject their ideas and extremism but the 1% who don't are more than capable of causing death and mayhem.

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1% appears to be a relatively small number but once you consider how many 1% of just 1million is you are talking about a significant number.

IMHO what we've seen in recent years is just the tip of the iceberg, they may be getting defeated on the battlefield where their "Caliphate" exists but that doesn't mean they will disappear.

Terrorist atrocities will increase and their methods of attack will multiply. Of that you can be certain.

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As we speak police are raising a second house in Newport. I'm watching it from my windows, they've taken away what seems to be 4 or 5 men.

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So Theresa May has let the papers know she intends to tell the United Nations assembly that technology companies need to do more to stop terrorism.

Why do we only hear from her when she wants to attack technology, encryption or give the police and GCHQ more powers to spy on us?

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And she'll share that opinion with the majority of the public it seems. As with science they're aren't enough technology reporters who get to report on mainstream stories so instead these issues get presented to the public by political reporters who present it, as they're trained to do, as an a debate between two sides of equal weight.

Which means many people are under the impression that encryption can be unlocked 'only' for terrorists which they understandably support. It's the same line which politicians push as well and do so to technically illiterate interviewers who fail to challenge them. Not to mention privacy is not an issue the public seems to care much about - the government and many government bodies have easy access to our internet history, phone calls, communications and no one cares.

Someone needs to make the public case that encryption is the same for everyone. The same set of technologies that allow people to plot securely also protects the messages between you and your friends/family, protects your health records, protects your photos and protects your financial information. If you add a weakness for terrorists you add it for all of us.

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So arrest total stands at 6, last time I looked. Youngest 17 years old, arrested last night.