A guardian journalist suggests Nelsons Column should be brought down
 

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...e-next-slavery

The article was written by extreme left wing liberal, Afua Hirsch.

So is she right? Do we pull it down or is she stark raving mad for bringing the crap going on in the US, with Confederate Statues being torn down, over here? :rolleyes:

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Not the same, but if they'd named a car after him in the Dukes of Hazzard then he'd of been fair game ;).

Cheers

Dave

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i would suggest we adopt an open door policy on these matters ie if you don't like it the doors open sod off .

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She is stark raving mad.

Nelson has not been memorialised for his views on slavery but for being the best Admiral this country has ever had.

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Click bait. Comparing Nelson to confederate figures is moronic. The people who green lit the article know it.

Nothing liberal about the writer of the article by the looks of it. Quite the opposite.

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Pyramids? Mecca? Mummadad and anything connected to him? Good luck with that.:rolleyes:
Saint Patrick's Day should be banned?
The slave trade existed on Africa long before the "West" turned up. Even then it was the Africans that initially enslaved them and ran the slave trade.
All things conveniently(or deliberately) forgotten.

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I think it's a bit inaccurate to say The Guardian called for it to be pulled down. They published an opinion piece from someone else calling for it to be pulled down, this wasn't an editorial, and they often have columns from people who aren't expressing the views of the paper. David Cameron and Daniel Hannan have written pieces before.

Still they know it's clickbait.

As has been expressed above we shouldn't compare senior figures from the Confederacy to Nelson. It's not the same thing. Nelson's column wasn't put up in celebration of Nelson's position on slavery, or for fighting to maintain slavery, or for being a white supremacist. It's same stupid argument people were making comparing George Washington to Robert Lee because the former had slaves.

Also while we're at it it's not as if Nelson's column is the same as some cheap crap mass produced in the 1920s and put outside some generic court house.



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She isn't a liberal it seems but left wing. Left wing and liberal are not necessarily the same thing. :p: In fact communists/socialists and really left wing people hate liberals.

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Give it time and statues all over the place will come under scrutiny of the more informed modern folk.

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The Romans had many slaves from all over their empire. Would she suggest we demolish Hadrian's wall or any other Roman architecture or statue for that reason?

As pointed out by Nomadking the Muslims were still into widespraed slavery until farely recently. No doubt her silence would be deafening when this fact is pointed out to her.

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No. People aren't arguing that things built with slavery should be demolished. That would be pretty difficult. Instead they're arguing we should tear down statues that honor those who fought for retaining slavery.

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Quite right, thread title changed accordingly.

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She used to be on Sky News and she also did the panel debate show, The Pledge, she did seem to support a lot of Corbyn's policies, but from what I remember, seemed disappointed him in as a leader.

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Agreed this seems click bait, but saw this was being brought up on Sky News yesterday, there was also a channel 4 piece on it...

Can be watched here, around 9 minutes long video...

https://www.channel4.com/news/should...perrins-debate

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She might well be far left. But generally those people aren't liberals because of the level of control their ideology requires. They hate liberals because they think we enable fascism by either subscribing to free markets or allowing a 'broken' system to prosper. :rolleyes:

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Many tourists like to see Nelsons Column.

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All sorts of views and practices used to be abhorrent. Are we going to tear down the statues of everyone who ever did anything which today would be considered unacceptable? At what point does all this stop? This is yet another PC driven bandwagon for people to jump on.

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Tear down his statue and put one of John Noakes on top of the column!

I can be equally as silly as her idea.....

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She is completely bonkers.

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It's all part and parcel of our history. As long as we acknowledge that history I see no reason to erase any of it.

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I read the thread title as far as "A Guardian journalist suggests ..." and knew whatever followed would be a steaming pile of self-loathing, unpatriotic quisling slime.

I wasn't wrong.

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However disagreeable her position may be it seems harsh to call it 'quisling', that's the language of militant nats. To me a quisling is some one who is literally being a traitor and not someone who simply shows a lack of perceived patriotism.

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On the contrary, there are plenty of those on the radical left who loathe this country for its perceived past crimes and would dearly love to change it so radically that they would destroy it. They are the ones who, a generation ago, quietly hoped for Soviet takeover and the end of American influence. I know exactly who Vidkun Quisling was and I invoke him deliberately.

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Maybe but even then during the days of the Soviets there were only a minority of people on the wide spectrum of the left who were actively working to either feed the soviets information or otherwise get into positions of power that they hoped would advance that agenda. We're talking about The Guardian here, not the Morning Star.

There is a difference between soviet agents or communists and writers of articles we disagree with.

It's an awful lot of people that would be tarred with this brush.

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Well they are sure as hell not patriots and this agenda that's only really present in western democracies which if it got it's way would lead to the collapse of the west and the world would be a lot worse. Those in the past were and stayed a minority because of lack of organisation and easy communication thanks to the internet communication has never been easier so their numbers are and will continue to grow.