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Mr K 14-08-2017 22:19

Ryanair calls for two-drink limit at airports
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40929225
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Ryanair has called on UK airports to enforce a two-drink limit, after a BBC Panorama investigation suggested arrests of drunken passengers have risen by 50% in a year.
Never mind 2 drinks, just ban all alcohol from airports and flights. It's incredible they let the punters tank up on Stella at 7am and wonder why there's problems. If people can't survive a few hours without alcohol then they have a problem, no need to share it or endanger others.
Ryanair's only motivation in this will not be safety of course, but exclusive alcohol sales.... airports/airlines are totally hypocritical.

Mick 14-08-2017 22:39

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:eek:

My word, there is finally a topic we finally agree on.

I think this calls for a drink :beer: :drunk: ;)

weenie 14-08-2017 22:44

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35912528)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40929225


Never mind 2 drinks, just ban all alcohol from airports and flights. It's incredible they let the punters tank up on Stella at 7am and wonder why there's problems. If people can't survive a few hours without alcohol then they have a problem, no need to share it or endanger others.
Ryanair's only motivation in this will not be safety of course, but exclusive alcohol sales.... airports/airlines are totally hypocritical.

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Damien 14-08-2017 22:50

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Nah don't ban all drinks from airports. I like to get to airports early ahead of flights and it's nice to sit down in a bar and wait for your gate . Also some flights are really, really long and having one of those small gins/wines isn't going to cause much of a problem.

Give more powers to stop drunkards boarding, ban those who kick on flights for good and impose limits but an outright ban is over the top IMO.

I am guessing half if not more of these problems are causing by people going out somewhere for drinking weekends/stags and so on. Maybe find a way to target that. All the times I've seen people even remotely tipsy is on short-haul flights to popular drinking cities.

denphone 15-08-2017 07:07

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35912528)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40929225


Never mind 2 drinks, just ban all alcohol from airports and flights. It's incredible they let the punters tank up on Stella at 7am and wonder why there's problems. If people can't survive a few hours without alcohol then they have a problem, no need to share it or endanger others.
Ryanair's only motivation in this will not be safety of course, but exclusive alcohol sales.... airports/airlines are totally hypocritical.

Lets hope it happens Mr K as this is something us old boys can agree on.:tu:

OLD BOY 15-08-2017 09:30

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912571)
Lets hope it happens Mr K as this is something us old boys can agree on.:tu:

Not me, Den. It's always those who cause trouble and drink to excess that ruin things for everyone else.

Some of us like a few drinks during stressful times, and many find travel and aeroplanes stressful. It is pretty easy to determine the drunkards, and these people should simply be prevented from getting through the gates.

These people should not be allowed to force unnecessary restrictions on the rest of us.

denphone 15-08-2017 09:39

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912582)
Not me, Den. It's always those who cause trouble and drink to excess that ruin things for everyone else.

Some of us like a few drinks during stressful times, and many find travel and aeroplanes stressful. It is pretty easy to determine the drunkards, and these people should simply be prevented from getting through the gates.

These people should not be allowed to force unnecessary restrictions on the rest of us.

So like drunks getting on a train or coach we simply have to put up with it do we? as the airlines and train companies simply don't employ enough staff to deal with this increasing alcoholic problems that many sober passengers have to face daily on their travels.

Damien 15-08-2017 10:10

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912584)
So like drunks getting on a train or coach we simply have to put up with it do we? as the airlines and train companies simply don't employ enough staff to deal with this increasing alcoholic problems that many sober passengers have to face daily on their travels.

You don't have to put up with it. Those people shouldn't be allowed to fly. But it's extreme and unrealistic to completely ban alcohol from airports and flights. People spend a lot of time in airports and planes. If you've gotten off an 8 hour flights and have a few hours until a 10 hour flight you might well want a drink! Same with getting to an airport early, clearly the security and all that hassle, then sitting down with a drink and await the call for the flight.

denphone 15-08-2017 10:19

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35912588)
You don't have to put up with it. Those people shouldn't be allowed to fly. But it's extreme and unrealistic to completely ban alcohol from airports and flights. People spend a lot of time in airports and planes. If you've gotten off an 8 hour flights and have a few hours until a 10 hour flight you might well want a drink! Same with getting to an airport early, clearly the security and all that hassle, then sitting down with a drink and await the call for the flight.

But that is the problem as they are allowed to fly in many cases and that ruins it for everybody else and the same sentiments apply to other transport modes as well as they don't employ trained staff to sort it out.

Damien 15-08-2017 10:21

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912589)
But that is the problem as they are allowed to fly in many cases and that ruins it for everybody else and the same sentiments apply to other transport modes as well as they don't employ trained staff to sort it out.

Maybe scan the ticket and if they're going to Ibiza then they can't drink. ;) The problem always seems to be such specific destinations.

denphone 15-08-2017 10:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35912591)
Maybe scan the ticket and if they're going to Ibiza then they can't drink. ;) The problem always seems to be such specific destinations.

l know what you mean Damien but it does irritate that a small minority always try to ruin things for the vast majority of normal well behaved people.

Mr K 15-08-2017 11:05

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Can't see any problem in an alcohol ban except for airlines and airports profits. Them complaining about drunk passengers after selling them unlimited amounts of alcohol is farcical. Of course you can have a drink - tea, coffee, water there are many options . I'm no saint I love a drink or 3, but can survive a few hours. If stressed alcohols one of the worst things you can do - raises the risk of DVT's and other medical problems. I've seen people drink all flight , then toddle off to their cars to drive home ! There's been cases of pilots being found to be drunk at the airport. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7214051.html

Just take alcohol out of the equation from flights/airports.

pip08456 15-08-2017 11:46

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912594)
l know what you mean Damien but it does irritate that a small minority always try to ruin things for the vast majority of normal well behaved people.

I'm sorry Den but both you and Mr. K besides complaining about the minority appear to empower them to do exactly what you complain about.

The power is available to the police to crack down on this if only they used it more often.

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S.141 of Licensing Act makes it an offence to “knowingly” sell or attempt to sell alcohol to a person who is drunk. The bar person serving the customer is liable for a fixed fine of £80.00. It is also an offence to “knowingly” allow alcohol to be sold to a person who is drunk. In a pub both the barperson and licensee/designated premises supervisor could therefore be liable to a fine for each incident. If an outlet is found to be persistently serving intoxicated customers then this might result in a licence review.
Allowing the minority to ruin it for the majority is an easy opt-out for the authorities and lessens the freedoms we are supposed to be able to enjoy.

Damien 15-08-2017 11:58

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35912603)
Can't see any problem in an alcohol ban except for airlines and airports profits.

The problem is me not being able to buy alcohol at airports :shocked:

denphone 15-08-2017 12:14

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35912609)
I'm sorry Den but both you and Mr. K besides complaining about the minority appear to empower them to do exactly what you complain about.

The power is available to the police to crack down on this if only they used it more often.



Allowing the minority to ruin it for the majority is an easy opt-out for the authorities and lessens the freedoms we are supposed to be able to enjoy.

The trouble is the authorities have had these powers for ages and the vast majority of the time do diddly squat about it pip as yes l am all for freedom but sometimes a line needs to be drawn somewhere to stop the rabble ruining it for the vast majority.

RizzyKing 15-08-2017 12:20

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This attitude of banning for the majority because of the abuse of a tiny minority just never gets old does it and it can be done on just any abuse and the majority can then bask in the warm glow of the new security from abuse that they now have. The laws are already there to deal with the few idiots that cannot limit themselves to moderation and should be applied and maybe the bigger question is why those laws are not used when it's appropriate. Personally anytime ryan air calls for anything i instinctively oppose it as they are always only thinking of how they can seperate more money from their customers and very rarely does it have anything to do with customers safety or well being

blackthorn 15-08-2017 12:29

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You`re not allowed to drink your own drink on a plane so I`ve never understood why they sell the little bottles of minatures in dutyfree. It can`t be for any other reason than to drink on a plane.

denphone 15-08-2017 12:32

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35912619)
You`re not allowed to drink your own drink on a plane so I`ve never understood why they sell the little bottles of minatures in dutyfree. It can`t be for any other reason than to drink on a plane.

Money , money , money blackthorn.

Taf 15-08-2017 13:05

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Smoking was banned from aircraft, now it's the turn of alcohol.

Just as smoking was banned from buses, trains, hospitals, schools, colleges, shops, parks, cinemas, theatres, pubs and some beaches, you can expect alcohol to be banned from all public places and forms of transport at some point.

Except for pubs.. but they are still closing down at a high rate, partly due to the smoking ban.

Damien 15-08-2017 13:15

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35912629)
Smoking was banned from aircraft, now it's the turn of alcohol.

The thing is smoking has a negative impact on others in a way that alcohol, drunk in moderation, doesn't. You can't escape someone else's smoke on an airplane but if someone in front of you is drinking it doesn't harm you at all.

mrmistoffelees 15-08-2017 14:16

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Ah yes, the old 'Let's ban something due to the behaviour of an idiotic few'

There's a few issues on this...

Airports will never go for it due to the exorbitant profit they make on selling alcoholic drinks

People have been actively been stopped boarding trains due to alcohol consumption the same can and should be done on flights.

I hardly every drink, but one of my pleasures is sitting with a cold beer, or a glass of wine before boarding a flight/connecting flight

As with so many things, this is about personal responsibility and accountability.

A blanket ban is not required.

denphone 15-08-2017 14:34

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35912644)
Airports will never go for it due to the exorbitant profit they make on selling alcoholic drinks



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Spot on Mr M.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35912644)
People have been actively been stopped boarding trains due to alcohol consumption the same can and should be done on flights.

And many more have been allowed on trains when they have been well inebriated beforehand.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 35912644)

As with so many things, this is about personal responsibility and accountability.

l quite agree.

OLD BOY 15-08-2017 14:51

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912584)
So like drunks getting on a train or coach we simply have to put up with it do we? as the airlines and train companies simply don't employ enough staff to deal with this increasing alcoholic problems that many sober passengers have to face daily on their travels.

Did you actually read my post, Den? I said that people who are drunk should not be allowed to proceed through the gates.

These people should not spoil it for responsible drinkers.

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912589)
But that is the problem as they are allowed to fly in many cases and that ruins it for everybody else and the same sentiments apply to other transport modes as well as they don't employ trained staff to sort it out.

But the rules can be changed, Den!!

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912616)
The trouble is the authorities have had these powers for ages and the vast majority of the time do diddly squat about it pip as yes l am all for freedom but sometimes a line needs to be drawn somewhere to stop the rabble ruining it for the vast majority.

In which case, they should enforce the rules!

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Originally Posted by blackthorn (Post 35912619)
You`re not allowed to drink your own drink on a plane so I`ve never understood why they sell the little bottles of minatures in dutyfree. It can`t be for any other reason than to drink on a plane.

Security issues, blackthorn, security!!

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35912629)
Smoking was banned from aircraft, now it's the turn of alcohol.

Just as smoking was banned from buses, trains, hospitals, schools, colleges, shops, parks, cinemas, theatres, pubs and some beaches, you can expect alcohol to be banned from all public places and forms of transport at some point.

Except for pubs.. but they are still closing down at a high rate, partly due to the smoking ban.

In which case, they should have pubs on planes. :D

That was a joke, by the way, in case anyone wasn't sure.

heero_yuy 15-08-2017 15:11

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912652)

In which case, they should have pubs on planes. :D

That was a joke, by the way, in case anyone wasn't sure.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...2&d=1502802635

:D




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denphone 15-08-2017 15:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912652)
Did you actually read my post, Den? I said that people who are drunk should not be allowed to proceed through the gates.

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But the problem OB is they do allow them through the gates a lot more then you imagine.

OLD BOY 16-08-2017 09:37

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912672)
But the problem OB is they do allow them through the gates a lot more then you imagine.

As I said, rules can be changed and enforced. Drunks in airports stand out a mile and they should be told to sober up and get another ticket for the next day.

If you can't enforce straight forward rules with all that security at our airports, it's a pretty poor show.

What happens on trains is completely different. There is a distinct lack of security at stations. That's something else the government should be looking at, incidentally.

Mr K 16-08-2017 09:58

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35912672)
But the problem OB is they do allow them through the gates a lot more then you imagine.

Not only do they let them trough the gate, they then give them alcohol on the plane. It's not really fair to ask stewardesses to say no/confront drunks and act as security/policemen.

denphone 16-08-2017 10:03

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35912786)
Not only do they let them trough the gate, they then give them alcohol on the plane. It's not really fair to ask stewardesses to say no/confront drunks and act as security/policemen.

Exactly and its even worse on the railways as some train stations and trains are full of drunken louts with hardly a member of staff in sight Mr K.

Taf 16-08-2017 17:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35912631)
The thing is smoking has a negative impact on others in a way that alcohol, drunk in moderation, doesn't. You can't escape someone else's smoke on an airplane but if someone in front of you is drinking it doesn't harm you at all.

You're more likely to catch an airborne infection on an aircraft than suddenly come down with lung cancer 'cos of "second hand smoke".

Or catch a sudden chill when some drunk pops a door open to go out for a smoke ;)

Damien 16-08-2017 18:00

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35912869)
You're more likely to catch an airborne infection on an aircraft than suddenly come down with lung cancer 'cos of "second hand smoke".

I am not sure of the science of it but I imagine frequently flyers might have their risk increased? Either way I was thinking more of it being unpleasant to have smoke in your face if you're not a smoker rather than health risks. The ventilation isn't brilliant on planes.

tweetiepooh 17-08-2017 14:20

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Wasn't there some article a while back looking at why people get drunk on planes more easily due to the cabin air pressure being higher keeping alcohol in the blood more? Then once back on land it releases faster. I didn't look deeply enough into it and whether C2H5OH lost in breath contributes enough to sobriety.

But I like a little tipple in the airport and maybe onboard, I get fed up of soft drinks and don't drink much coffee. But airports aren't like stations, planes normally only have one or two entrances and board much less frequently than trains over a whole journey. It would not be too much bother to have a couple of authorised heavies at the gates to filter off the drunks. Many flights like you in a boarding area first, that could allow said heavies plenty of time to observe and warn before getting to the actual boarding.

If someone on board causes a nuisance then they don't get another flight, that could leave them "stranded" on a foreign shore unless they pay some sort of deposit for their return. If you make the penalties strong enough it will deter many. Fines/costs need to be in the thousands maybe with some of that going to the worst affected.

OLD BOY 17-08-2017 17:25

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35912986)
Wasn't there some article a while back looking at why people get drunk on planes more easily due to the cabin air pressure being higher keeping alcohol in the blood more? Then once back on land it releases faster. I didn't look deeply enough into it and whether C2H5OH lost in breath contributes enough to sobriety.

But I like a little tipple in the airport and maybe onboard, I get fed up of soft drinks and don't drink much coffee. But airports aren't like stations, planes normally only have one or two entrances and board much less frequently than trains over a whole journey. It would not be too much bother to have a couple of authorised heavies at the gates to filter off the drunks. Many flights like you in a boarding area first, that could allow said heavies plenty of time to observe and warn before getting to the actual boarding.

If someone on board causes a nuisance then they don't get another flight, that could leave them "stranded" on a foreign shore unless they pay some sort of deposit for their return. If you make the penalties strong enough it will deter many. Fines/costs need to be in the thousands maybe with some of that going to the worst affected.

I think being stranded in that country would be enough of a punishment! However, putting the plane in danger through drunkenness should carry a prison sentence.

If these people were identified and prevented from going through the gates at the airport, that would solve these problems and ensure that it was not necessary to take people through the courts and jail them.

It would then enable responsible drinkers to have a little tipple on the plane.

denphone 25-08-2017 15:35

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35912782)
As I said, rules can be changed and enforced. Drunks in airports stand out a mile and they should be told to sober up and get another ticket for the next day.

If you can't enforce straight forward rules with all that security at our airports, it's a pretty poor show.

What happens on trains is completely different. There is a distinct lack of security at stations. That's something else the government should be looking at, incidentally.

They are obviously not listening then..

https://www.theguardian.com/business...anair-airports

Damien 25-08-2017 16:07

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35914018)
They are obviously not listening then..

https://www.theguardian.com/business...anair-airports

I mean if you target teenagers going to Ibiza then you're going to find trouble. Solution: Ban it for certain locations/flights. Scan the ticket before someone gets on: Ibiza? No. Prague? Fine. etc etc

OLD BOY 25-08-2017 17:41

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35914021)
I mean if you target teenagers going to Ibiza then you're going to find trouble. Solution: Ban it for certain locations/flights. Scan the ticket before someone gets on: Ibiza? No. Prague? Fine. etc etc

But that would still spoil things for the responsible drinkers on the plane. No, it should be the misbehaving that receive the punishment, not the rest of us (the vast majority).


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