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Mick 31-07-2017 09:39

Venezuela Crisis & Sham Election
 
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Britain and the US have called Venezuela's landmark vote a "sham" as 10 people - including two teenagers - were killed during violent protests.

Many in the South American country say it is heading for dictatorship and boycotted Sunday's vote for an assembly that would give President Nicolas Maduro virtually unlimited powers.

Opponents reacted with anger and mockery after the National Electoral Council said more than eight million people had voted.

With many polling stations deserted, rivals estimated the actual number was about two to three million.

President Maduro, however, hailed the result as the "biggest ever vote for the revolution".
http://news.sky.com/story/deadly-pro...-sham-10968400

With a government that is on the take, a Country that is on the brink of becoming a failed State, with a Dictatorship President, there is no way Venezuela with its vast rich oil reserves, should be in the state it is in.

adzii_nufc 31-07-2017 10:28

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The Erdogan of Venezuela then. The US and British Governments will call Venezuela out but Turkey serves someones agenda. Shouldn't be long before the CIA try to topple the Venezuelan government again then, or accidentally ship hundreds of pounds of cocaine to the US by accident.

Taf 31-07-2017 14:19

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South America has been drifting towards total collapse ever since the days of the Juntas. Brazil is on a knife edge too.

Damien 31-07-2017 14:47

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Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35909969)
The Erdogan of Venezuela then. The US and British Governments will call Venezuela out but Turkey serves someones agenda. Shouldn't be long before the CIA try to topple the Venezuelan government again then, or accidentally ship hundreds of pounds of cocaine to the US by accident.

Turkey is a strategically important country for Europe and America. It's on the border with Syria, it's part of NATO with it's role being at the forefront of the border with the middle east hosting airbases and a large army and is a country we would prefer did not ally with Russia.

Venezuela is none of these things. Although given the state of their country and the oppressive nature of their government it wouldn't be too bad a thing for them to be overthrown.

heero_yuy 31-07-2017 15:00

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A portentous vision of Britain if comrade Corbyn got elected.

Osem 31-07-2017 17:14

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35910029)
A portentous vision of Britain if comrade Corbyn got elected.

Correct but that's something the rose tinted brigade care to dwell upon. They'll be telling us it never happened soon no doubt... :rolleyes:

Mick 31-07-2017 21:09

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US has hit Venezuelan President Madura, with Financial Sanctions, freezing all known US assets immediately.

Damien 31-07-2017 21:12

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910136)
US has hit Venezuelan President Madura, with Financial Sanctions, freezing all known US assets immediately.

Good

Mick 31-07-2017 21:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910139)
Good

The US has gone further, no US citizen is permitted to do any business with President Maduro. They are making it abundantly clear, they do not recognise this illegal move to alter Venezuela's constitution.

Damien 31-07-2017 21:32

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35910141)
The US has gone further, no US citizen is permitted to do any business with President Maduro. They are making it abundantly clear, they do not recognise this illegal move to alter Venezuela's constitution.

Even better. :D

Osem 31-07-2017 21:50

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Has anyone spoken to Red Ken? :rofl:

So is this a Trump triumph or not? Lots of folk are quick to condemn after all so how about some credit 'if' it's due?...

Damien 31-07-2017 22:12

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35910145)
Has anyone spoken to Red Ken? :rofl:

So is this a Trump triumph or not? Lots of folk are quick to condemn after all so how about some credit 'if' it's due?...

Well not a triumph as it's not changed much and is in keeping with existing US policy of increasing sanctions against Venezuela, it wasn't a triumph for Obama either, but yes he does deserve credit for his government taking the correct action here.

Osem 31-07-2017 22:23

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35910153)
Well not a triumph as it's not changed much and is in keeping with existing US policy of increasing sanctions against Venezuela, it wasn't a triumph for Obama either, but yes he does deserve credit for his government taking the correct action here.

Given all the negative hysteria about Trump I'd have thought people would welcome anything which isn't a total disaster. It'd be churlish not to surely. Obamacare is exiting US policy and he clearly didn't rubber stamp that. ;)

Mick 02-08-2017 13:34

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http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...zuela-10970635

Corbyn urged to condemn Maduro, by his own Labour MPs.

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Labour MP Angela Smith, who has reportedly joined a new all-party parliamentary group on Venezuela, said: "I think Corbyn needs to condemn the actions of the Venezuelan regime, which are a very serious threat to democracy in that country."

Graham Jones, another Labour MP and chairman of the group, told The Times: "I believe everybody in the Labour Party should condemn the Venezuelan regime because the first duty of any state is to look after its citizens.

"Venezuela has failed."

In the past, Mr Corbyn has expressed support for Venezuela's socialist state, praising Mr Maduro's predecessor Hugo Chavez.

As a backbencher, he attended a 2013 vigil following the death of Mr Chavez, calling him an "inspiration to all of us fighting back against austerity and neo-liberal economics in Europe".

Mr Corbyn later supported a parliamentary motion congratulating Mr Maduro on his election victory via "transparent and fair" elections, and called for closer ties between Caracas and London.

It also urged then-prime minister David Cameron to invite Mr Maduro to visit the UK at the earliest opportunity.
Corbyn was preaching earlier in the year regarding a State visit for President Trump saying it needed to called off for a whole raft of issues, yet here we have had him praising Maduro in the past, even wanting to welcom him here. Always seems to be backing the wrong people for all the wrong reasons. Yet, he shuns the leader of our most closest ally. :rolleyes:

Either way, I hope you're watching the bloody mess going on over there that you want to inflict on us here, Corbyn. Your dreams of a one class State does not work.

Osem 02-08-2017 17:56

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People like Corbyn live in a dream world and continue to propagate their political nonsense in spite of the facts and yes they'd rather insult a great ally than castigate one of their own no matter how bad. Excuses, excuses and more excuses is what we get from Labour when they're not dodging these issues entirely. They'd happily rewrite history to suit their own agenda.

1andrew1 07-08-2017 23:06

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This incompetent Brexiter fails to do the sensible and right thing.
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Jeremy Corbyn responded today to the Venezuelan crisis but refused to condemn President Maduro and his regime.
The Labour leader denounced “violence that’s been done by any side, by all sides, in all this” and said brutality would not solve the issues facing Venezuela.
He spoke out amid growing pressure among his own MPs to criticise the Latin American leader, who has been accused by the international community of hosting a “sham” ballot and arresting opposition leaders in night-time home raids.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...uela-7sttkm90r

Osem 08-08-2017 13:22

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When are Corbyn's cronies going to come out and condemn the state sponsored violence and murder going on in Venezuala? They have so much to say about some things and so little to say about others. Their relative silence and shameful equivocation on this matter says a great deal about them and it isn't very nice.

Mick 08-08-2017 13:55

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35911451)
When are Corbyn's cronies going to come out and condemn the state sponsored violence and murder going on in Venezuala? They have so much to say about some things and so little to say about others. Their relative silence and shameful equivocation on this matter says a great deal about them and it isn't very nice.

Oh the beauty of the arguments coming from true 'socialists', is that the socialist issues in Venezuela, they are claiming, is not real socialism. :rolleyes:

Julian 08-08-2017 17:05

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35911384)
This incompetent Brexiter fails to do the sensible and right thing.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...uela-7sttkm90r

WTF has brexit got to do with Venezuela?

heero_yuy 09-01-2018 13:29

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Getting pretty grim over there:

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Stirring pictures capture the extreme lengths desperate Venezuelans go through to find lost treasure which they will try and sell for cash.

Each morning locals flock to River Guaire's dirty waters, in the country's capital, Caracas, to grab anything that falls through their fingers, be it the back of an earring, a lost ring or other bits of precious metal.

A worsening economic crisis has left locals, who once lived in the richest country in South America, scavenging.

Food has become increasingly hard to find or afford. An estimated 75 percent of Venezuelans lost an average of 19 pounds (8.7 kilograms) last year, according to one recent survey.
Source

OLD BOY 09-01-2018 18:46

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35931704)
Getting pretty grim over there:



Source

Yes, admirers of Corbyn should take a good hard look at Venezuala when contemplating life under his leadership.

I have my alternative destination lined up, just in case.

denphone 09-01-2018 19:07

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l am no admirer of Corbyn but to put it pretty bluntly l am no admirer of this current administration either so it will be one from a pretty bad bunch when it comes to my vote at the next election.

TheDaddy 09-01-2018 21:50

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35931743)
Yes, admirers of Corbyn should take a good hard look at Venezuala when contemplating life under his leadership.

I have my alternative destination lined up, just in case.

You dont think much of Britain or it's citizens do you. It'll take more than one man winning an election to turn us into a dirt poor South American crap hole, still I'm sure some people's comments here won't be forgotten next time someone's being berated for talking Britain down or being unpatriotic in the brexit thread

1andrew1 09-01-2018 21:59

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35931743)
Yes, admirers of Corbyn should take a good hard look at Venezuala when contemplating life under his leadership.

I have my alternative destination lined up, just in case.

lol, your obsession with the UK somehow turning into Venezuela knows no limits. JC does not plan to nationalise every company and the UK has tons of checks and balances in place and a long history of Parliamentry democracy to counter extremism.
Please stop talking our great nation down.

OLD BOY 10-01-2018 13:07

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35931771)
lol, your obsession with the UK somehow turning into Venezuela knows no limits. JC does not plan to nationalise every company and the UK has tons of checks and balances in place and a long history of Parliamentry democracy to counter extremism.
Please stop talking our great nation down.

Well, I remember life under Labour during the 1970s, when Britain became a basket case and had to go cap in hand to the IMF. Do not underestiate the damage this Marxist and his Marxist Chancellor could do to this country, and in a very short time.

Do you really believe you can make life so uncomfortable for the 'rich', whom JC despises, and keep our economy afloat? If the 'rich' take their money elsewhere, you will very soon come to realise that this man is an absolute menace and a threat to our very way of life. Just like they have discovered in Venezuala.

None of my remarks are 'talking our great nation down'. They are actually aiming at keeping our nation great.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35931770)
You dont think much of Britain or it's citizens do you. It'll take more than one man winning an election to turn us into a dirt poor South American crap hole, still I'm sure some people's comments here won't be forgotten next time someone's being berated for talking Britain down or being unpatriotic in the brexit thread

You are so wrong. A dangerously incompetent and misguided Prime Minister would do great damage to our economy and all that we hold dear. Let us not sleepwalk into such a nightmare.

---------- Post added at 13:07 ---------- Previous post was at 13:01 ----------

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35931748)
l am no admirer of Corbyn but to put it pretty bluntly l am no admirer of this current administration either so it will be one from a pretty bad bunch when it comes to my vote at the next election.

There is no comparison. There's a difference between an inefficient Conservative Government (due to its lack of a parliamentary majority), and a reckless Corbyn led government, which would bring the country to its knees in double quick time.

I think the citizens of this country collectively have more sense than to elect him, but what we really need is a Conservative Government with a good majority in Parliament. That is the only way to deal effectively with the problems we face as a nation.

There may well need to be a realignment of politics in this country, but as things stand now, the Conservatives are the only party with any sense of how to get the UK back on its feet. But without a majority in Parliament, it is stymied.

papa smurf 10-01-2018 17:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35931771)
lol, your obsession with the UK somehow turning into Venezuela knows no limits. JC does not plan to nationalise every company and the UK has tons of checks and balances in place and a long history of Parliamentry democracy to counter extremism.
Please stop talking our great nation down.

That reminds me i have to do the ironing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7p23mA2VV0A


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