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Mick 25-07-2017 02:37

New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/ci...rticle/2629520

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The National Archives on Monday made public over 400 previously unreleased documents related to the CIA and FBI's investigation of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

Among the 441 materials released include 17 audio files of interviews of Yuri Nosenko, a KGB officer who defected to the United States in January 1964. Nosenko claimed to be the officer in charge of the KGB file on Lee Harvey Oswald during Oswald's time in the Soviet Union.

Other documents released include items related to the probe of Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination who was murdered five years after President Kennedy was killed, in 1968.

A 1992 law requires that the National Archives to preserve the approximately 5 million pages of records surrounding the investigation. Most of the records have been available to the public since the late 1990s.
Newly released documents can be found: https://www.archives.gov/press/press...s/2017/nr17-68

A US House of Representatives Investigation on Assassinations concluded in the late 1970's that President Kennedy, was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.

There is more documents to come, if the current sitting President grants permission to their release.

Mick 26-10-2017 11:56

Re: New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
President Trump has permitted the release of 5,000 documents that will be released later today, that was sealed and deemed classified, initially for 75 years. This was abolished in 1992, and a set period of 25 years in an act passed by Congress and signed in to law, by then President George Bush Snr.

The CIA is suppose to have lobbied President Trump not to release certain classified files. It was not a coincidence that on the eve of their release, Trump visited Dallas, Texas, the city in which JFK’s assassination took place.

Mr K 26-10-2017 11:59

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God bless President Trump !

Lots of money made from conspiracy theories, books films etc. Same with the death of Diana. The truth is just too boring and unprofitable for some people i.e. a lone nutter gunman, and a 'high as a kite' driver in Diana's case.

Damien 26-10-2017 12:08

Re: New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
In all likelihood they won't contradict the official understanding of events and in turn be 'part of the conspiracy'.

Mick 26-10-2017 13:11

Re: New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
One has to question what the CIA don’t want the public to still know 54 years later.

papa smurf 26-10-2017 13:15

Re: New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35921900)
One has to question what the CIA don’t want the public to still know 54 years later.

involvement ?????

Damien 26-10-2017 13:30

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Can be benign stuff like names of other suspects, agents, operational information etc. Even 54 years later they probably want to keep as much secret as possible.

Mick 26-10-2017 14:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921904)
Can be benign stuff like names of other suspects, agents, operational information etc. Even 54 years later they probably want to keep as much secret as possible.

I’m always skeptic about 99% of Conspiracy theories. But I strongly suspect, Kennedy was assassinated because of the Bay of pigs fiasco and his stance on the CIA.

Damien 26-10-2017 14:25

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35921912)
I’m always skeptic about 99% of Conspiracy theories. But I strongly suspect, Kennedy was assassinated because of the Bay of pigs fiasco and his stance on the CIA.

Possible but I am not convinced.

However if they did I imagine it would have to have been a very small team. The more people involved the bigger the chance it gets exposed especially 50 years later. These people are very unlikely to have documented it or done it via any official means. I guess the only way that would be revealed is if other elements within the CIA had suspected some had gone rogue and launched an investigation and that's what eventually gets released.

Mick 26-10-2017 15:06

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921914)
Possible but I am not convinced.

However if they did I imagine it would have to have been a very small team. The more people involved the bigger the chance it gets exposed especially 50 years later. These people are very unlikely to have documented it or done it via any official means. I guess the only way that would be revealed is if other elements within the CIA had suspected some had gone rogue and launched an investigation and that's what eventually gets released.

Yes, there was the issue of the enemy having no face, except the cover story that got put out that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone wolf.

Oliver Stone, explained this plausible theory, in his film during the Mr X Scene...


TheDaddy 26-10-2017 16:17

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35921912)
I’m always skeptic about 99% of Conspiracy theories. But I strongly suspect, Kennedy was assassinated because of the Bay of pigs fiasco and his stance on the CIA.

And jack ruby done away with the lone killer out of the goodness of his heart to prevent his wife having to endure the ordeal of a trial, if nothing else rings alarms as not adding up then that should

Damien 26-10-2017 16:36

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35921931)
And jack ruby done away with the lone killer out of the goodness of his heart to prevent his wife having to endure the ordeal of a trial, if nothing else rings alarms as not adding up then that should

Given the impact and emotional significance of Kennedy's assassination it's not a surprise it compelled someone to attempt the murder of the killer.

I agree that the Kennedy assassination is one of the more plausible conspiracy theories as the logic checks out better than it does with 9/11, there are fewer leaps of faith required, but I still think the likeliest explanation is the one we have now or a variation of it. The other theories require more questions as evidenced by the amount of premises set-up and leaps made in that JFK video.

TheDaddy 26-10-2017 16:47

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921933)
Given the impact and emotional significance of Kennedy's assassination it's not a surprise it compelled someone to attempt the murder of the killer.

And that someone was a known pimp and drug dealer, traits not normally found in avenging patriots, mind you he did get incredibly lucky what with the police forgetting to lock all those doors in the police station

Damien 26-10-2017 16:51

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35921938)
And that someone was a known pimp and drug dealer, traits not normally found in avenging patriots, mind you he did get incredibly lucky what with the police forgetting to lock all those doors in the police station

Where they not moving him at the time?

Mick 26-10-2017 17:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35921941)
Where they not moving him at the time?

Jack Ruby was well known, locally to the Police, which is why he was allowed to be where he was when he shot Oswald, it was a violation of course, but one has to ask that he is the prime suspect in a high profile killing of the President and why he is brought out of the Police station, like he was like a lamb to the slaughter ?

Jack Ruby, was seen earlier on in the Police station, when Oswald was being questioned by the Police, there is news footage of him being there, perhaps he was going to shoot him then?

There are those that knew Ruby and have argued over time that he, couldn't have given a toss about Kennedy and he was being far from patriotic when he shot Oswald. But in shooting and killing Oswald, he enshrines in to history, one of the biggest unsolved crime of the century.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1979, only partly believed part of the Warren Commissions findings.

Mick 27-10-2017 03:56

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The additional JFK documents are now released.

https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release

Damien 27-10-2017 07:05

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Looks like he blocked some anyway after all that

heero_yuy 27-10-2017 10:00

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922029)
Looks like he blocked some anyway after all that

Actually subject to a six month review and justification by the CIA that they should remain redacted. Doesn't mean he won't have them released. Just not now.

Damien 27-10-2017 10:20

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35922034)
Actually subject to a six month review and justification by the CIA that they should remain redacted. Doesn't mean he won't have them released. Just not now.

Yeah but this has been scheduled since 1992. You think they would have had time.

Hom3r 27-10-2017 10:21

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I looked last night, there were zip files (one was 950MB)

Now they are all sepeate PDFs, some 6650 of them.

Mick 27-10-2017 10:47

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922038)
Yeah but this has been scheduled since 1992. You think they would have had time.

Lots of speculation being banded about, in to the 11th hour decision to withhold some files, one wild theory I saw, is that Trump got a wake up call from the CIA, 2 days ago. On Tuesday, a Protestor in the Capitol Building, managed to get in to the Press area, despite being on a watch list and threw Russian flags at the President, while he was walking past to meet with Republican Senators. The speculation suggests the CIA have forced Trumps hand by suggesting next time, it won’t be Russian flags.

Osem 27-10-2017 11:01

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922040)
Lots of speculation being banded about, in to the 11th hour decision to withhold some files, one wild theory I saw, is that Trump got a wake up call from the CIA, 2 days ago. On Tuesday, a Protestor in the Capitol Building, managed to get in to the Press area, despite being on a watch list and threw Russian flags at the President, while he was walking past to meet with Republican Senators. The speculation suggests the CIA have forced Trumps hand by suggesting next time, it won’t be Russian flags.

Well it wouldn't be impossible for an agency such as the CIA to try to influence a president for reasons fair or foul. I'm sure they've done it many times before and in various different ways and maybe some of their secrets are so sensitive that they'd go to any lengths to protect them. :shrug:

Damien 27-10-2017 12:10

Re: New undisclosed CIA and FBI material released on President Kennedy Assassination
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35922040)
Lots of speculation being banded about, in to the 11th hour decision to withhold some files, one wild theory I saw, is that Trump got a wake up call from the CIA, 2 days ago. On Tuesday, a Protestor in the Capitol Building, managed to get in to the Press area, despite being on a watch list and threw Russian flags at the President, while he was walking past to meet with Republican Senators. The speculation suggests the CIA have forced Trumps hand by suggesting next time, it won’t be Russian flags.

That seems a bit nuts to be honest (for a start the CIA don't handle the President's security). It's probably just a lack of preparation from the CIA and the White House didn't appreciate some of the documents that were coming.

Mick 27-10-2017 13:19

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One of the interesting revelations so far from new batch, is that a British Reporter, was telephoned about some ‘big news coming up in America’ and they were to phone the American Embassy in London, the caller hung up, the call happened 25 minutes before the assassination. CIA document reveals the British reporter phoned the police after the President was killed and information was passed on to MI5.

Hom3r 28-10-2017 15:15

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I went to a wesite called the black vault, and downloaded 11 zip files totalling 20GB, I've unzipped them and will slowly go through the 6,702 files.

Some of the quality on ones I've opened is very poor and bearly readable.

Mick 29-10-2017 18:23

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Pretty Damning Revelation from one of the recently released files:

Two Shooters in Dealey Plaza on 22nd November, 1963.

"Surgeons general report says President Kennedy shot from the Front. Below Adams Apple."

"Bullet hole in Windshield"

Both strong indicators of a second shooter that day.

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32144493.pdf

Osem 29-10-2017 18:59

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Nothing surprises me about any of this or his brother's murder for that matter. Whoever was directly responsible for the killings there must have been others in positions of power who were complicit at one lever or another. Clearly some very powerful people wanted the them dead. Even all these decades later it is really quite shocking and what might be being covered up only makes it all worse.

Hom3r 29-10-2017 21:12

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Rumour say that Marilyn Monroe had lots of pillow talk with both brothers about above top secret stuff.

The head of the CIA was in attendance after her death, he was George Bush Snr.

Mr K 29-10-2017 21:27

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35922419)
Rumour say that Marilyn Monroe had lots of pillow talk with both brothers about above top secret stuff.

Rumour also has it that the moon is made of cheese and Gary Lineker farts perfume...

TheDaddy 29-10-2017 22:27

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35921912)
I’m always skeptic about 99% of Conspiracy theories. But I strongly suspect, Kennedy was assassinated because of the Bay of pigs fiasco and his stance on the CIA.

If the cia conspire with organised crime to assainate a foreign leader it's not to much of a leap of imagination to think they'd conspire with them to do away with their own either

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/27/usa.cuba


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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35922420)
Rumour also has it that the moon is made of cheese and Gary Lineker farts perfume...

Rumour also has it that there's a secret Nazi moon base in amongst all that cheese to ;)

Hugh 29-10-2017 22:27

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35922419)
Rumour say that Marilyn Monroe had lots of pillow talk with both brothers about above top secret stuff.

The head of the CIA was in attendance after her death, he was George Bush Snr.

Are you sure?

Monroe died 5th August 1962, GB Senior was Head of the CIA January 76 to January 77.

Hom3r 29-10-2017 23:00

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35922428)
If the cia conspire with organised crime to assainate a foreign leader it's not to much of a leap of imagination to think they'd conspire with them to do away with their own either

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/27/usa.cuba




Rumour also has it that there's a secret Nazi moon base in amongst all that cheese to ;)

Check my location, and Shush the moon base is a secret.

TheDaddy 30-10-2017 03:26

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35922433)
Check my location, and Shush the moon base is a secret.

You really shouldn't have told me about it if you wanted it kept secret :)

Stuart 30-10-2017 13:04

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35922051)
That seems a bit nuts to be honest (for a start the CIA don't handle the President's security). It's probably just a lack of preparation from the CIA and the White House didn't appreciate some of the documents that were coming.

Whether they are not directly responsible for Presidential security, I suspect they do advise the Secret Service if they have good reason to believe there is a particular threat to the president, or his family.

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Personally, I don't think that the JFK assassination will ever be entirely resolved. I believe that the US government will never release everything they have on the killer(s), and even if they did, there are people that I think will always think the government is hiding something.


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