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Osem 19-07-2017 11:24

BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
Well here it is, the list of slary's paid to the Beeb's top talent:

http://news.sky.com/story/bbc-talent...rners-10953675

Bear in mind some of these salaries relate to what amount to part time work and those who're paid via third party companies aren't on the list so we don't know what Chris Evans' salary, for example, actually relates to.

Anyway it's nice work if you can get it eh.

Taf 19-07-2017 11:33

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
Oh to be a "star" and get paid for just turning up.

papa smurf 19-07-2017 11:40

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
i'm just glad that my humble contribution can provide such lavish lifestyles

Damien 19-07-2017 11:43

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
Apart from Chris Evans and maybe Gary Lineker none of it is that surprising I think.

I.E Graham Norton is paid just under a £1 million for this show but that's a popular and successful show and less than Ant and Dec make from ITV

papa smurf 19-07-2017 11:47

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this is when the infighting starts now everyone knows what their fellow worker is earning

Osem 19-07-2017 11:49

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Well supposedly there's a 60/40 split in favour of men in this list. How about we get some idea of each 'star's' political views as well? That'd be useful in determining how biased, or not, the BBC actually is likely to be. Maybe we could extend that across the entire organisation just so we get a clear idea of what sort of people tend to work for them... :D

denphone 19-07-2017 12:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908420)
i'm just glad that my humble contribution can provide such lavish lifestyles

Crikey it seems everybody owes you something it seems.....;)

papa smurf 19-07-2017 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908430)
Crikey it seems everybody owes you something it seems.....;)

your so right i do seem to be paying for other people's life choices and none of it benefits me .:shrug:

Osem 19-07-2017 12:39

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Apparently some people seem to think there's going to be a private sector stampede for all this undervalued BBC talent. Quelle horreur. :eeek:

We're always being told that BBC presenters see their role as a public service so given that none of them is exactly hard up, why would they leave? That'd be against their principles surely... :confused:

What would we all do without these people on the public payroll I wonder. Maybe the BBC will revert to the test card when all these stars up and leave en masse. Apparently Gary Lineker reckons he's had better offers but loves his work for the public service BBC so much that he turned them down. Quite why, in this age of poverty and austerity, he feels comfortable being paid c. £1.8m pa for doing something he loves for such a worthy institution is beyond me. I mean if he was a greedy banker or Tory fat cat I could understand it. I dare say he has nightmares about it..

Paul 19-07-2017 13:03

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If someone offered to pay me 1.8 million to do a job I liked I would take it, and not care what anyone thought :D

papa smurf 19-07-2017 13:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35908449)
If someone offered to pay me 1.8 million to do a job I liked I would take it, and not care what anyone thought :D

guzzling dr pepper is not a talent ,don't give up the day job ;)

Osem 19-07-2017 13:42

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I think it's great that he feels cool about earning so much for so little. He's clearly doing us all a great big favour by staying at the Beeb where he's only earning nearly £2m pa. Life must be tough at Lineker Towers eh what with having all that money and preaching about refugees.

Anyway now we know what these folks are being paid we can better judge the degree of hypocrisy in the things they say and do just as we can when we get to find out their tax arrangements...

Mick 19-07-2017 15:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908421)
Apart from Chris Evans and maybe Gary Lineker none of it is that surprising I think.

I.E Graham Norton is paid just under a £1 million for this show but that's a popular and successful show and less than Ant and Dec make from ITV

Lineker is a pain in the arse. Tweets left wing crap practically 24/7.

As for presenting MOTD. He is a sure fire way to treat insomnia. :zzz:

Osem 19-07-2017 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35908473)
Lineker is a pain in the arse. Tweets left wing crap practically 24/7.

As for presenting MOTD. He is a sure fire way to treat insomnia. :zzz:

I truly detest multimillionaires who preach lefty 'morals' to the rest of us about . when they're totally insulated from the effects. Maybe they do it because it makes them feel better about the ever increasing share of the nation's wealth and property that they've grabbed for themselves. Those who're not happy enough with the millions they have to the point that they try to avoid paying any more tax are deserving of even more contempt IMHO.

denphone 19-07-2017 18:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35908473)
Lineker is a pain in the arse. Tweets left wing crap practically 24/7.

As for presenting MOTD. He is a sure fire way to treat insomnia. :zzz:

l don't like him much neither but its no different to tweets by the right wing twitterers as some of them talk crap as well.:)

Pierre 19-07-2017 19:17

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No

papa smurf 19-07-2017 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35908503)
No

there's nothing like a satisfied customer ;)

RizzyKing 19-07-2017 19:51

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Glad my licence fee helps out those less fortunate then myself.

Uncle Peter 19-07-2017 22:02

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The only small mercy that's come out of this is the documentary proof that we're no longer funding Zane Lowe to steal our oxygen.

Damien 19-07-2017 22:14

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Some of it is quite weird. I.E Peter Capadi gets the same as an Eastenders actor? He is in one of Britains most successful shows ever. I am guessing it's a lower wage topped up by royalties from BBC Worldwide or something. BBC's Political Editor gets less than a Match of the Day 2 presenter....

Ramrod 19-07-2017 22:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908531)
Some of it is quite weird. I.E Peter Capadi gets the same as an Eastenders actor? He is in one of Britains most successful shows ever.

Never heard of him :shrug:

Osem 19-07-2017 22:43

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One of the biggest mysteries to me is how the vacuous Alex Jones is worth over £400k. The mind boggles, except at the BBC... :spin:

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35908537)
Never heard of him :shrug:

Who?....















Dr Who. ;)

jonbxx 20-07-2017 09:20

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Given that Piers Morgan trousers £22,500,000, these salaries seem a bargain! (source - http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/19/piers-...eport-6790890/)

Damien 20-07-2017 09:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 35908555)
Given that Piers Morgan trousers £22,500,000, these salaries seem a bargain! (source - http://metro.co.uk/2017/07/19/piers-...eport-6790890/)

He must be making that up. Ant and Dec get about £10 million a year it seems so I doubt he gets paid more.

Osem 20-07-2017 10:30

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Piers Morgan doesn't get paid out of taxpayer's money so what he does or doesn't earn is irrelevant to this thread. We'll soon see how many underpaid BBC 'stars' decide to leave and realise their true worth. If they don't, maybe they weren't so underpaid at all and if they do the door will be open for some new talent. Win win from where I'm sitting.

Damien 20-07-2017 11:22

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I think it helps seeing what the industry is paying in general for the same sort of roles when judging the salaries of those at the BBC.

Osem 20-07-2017 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908562)
I think it helps seeing what the industry is paying in general for the same sort of roles when judging the salaries of those at the BBC.

Only if you don't think they're all grossly overpaid. I'd be happy for people like Piers Morgan and Jonathan Ross to be paid a lot less for their dubious output but at least they're not being paid out of the licence fee.

It'll be interesting to see what some of these people have been posting on social media about greedy rich fat cats now we all know about the vast sums they're being paid.

Paul 20-07-2017 12:54

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They seem a drop in the ocean compared to premier league stars pay.

denphone 20-07-2017 12:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35908572)
They seem a drop in the ocean compared to premier league stars pay.

Yep £200,000 to £300,000 a week plus plenty on top for some.

Osem 20-07-2017 13:46

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I'd agree with that by the way. Their wages and transfer fees are obscene but once again they're not paid out of the TV licence. Also the BBC salaries quoted are only those paid via the licence fee, they don't include other earnings these people earn via the BBC or other commercial activities.

TheDaddy 20-07-2017 15:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35908572)
They seem a drop in the ocean compared to premier league stars pay.

Difference is I'm not forced to pay premier league stars if I don't watch their product. My tv licence came through the door today as a matter of fact, I'm not finding much solace in my 147 quid being one of the 12000 other licence fees going to Gary bloody Lineker

I am however not feeling as outraged as some towards this little guy still being paid, he was worth every penny

http://southendnewsnetwork.com/news/...600k-per-year/

Damien 20-07-2017 15:21

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If I wanted to be pedantic, and I think I do, you could say contribute to the pay of Premier League players via the licence fee because of Match of the Day. :D

Pierre 20-07-2017 16:30

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Ultimately, anybody is worth whatever anyone is willing to pay them.

richard s 20-07-2017 21:34

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Give him some slack chaps he was from an ordinary working class background the boy has done good for himself. Just wondering what is the tax band these BBC rich folk are having to pay.

Osem 20-07-2017 22:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35908637)
Give him some slack chaps he was from an ordinary working class background the boy has done good for himself. Just wondering what is the tax band these BBC rich folk are having to pay.

Corporation tax most of them I reckon as they'll be putting it through limited companies. I may be wrong but it'll probably less than you're paying...

Maggy 21-07-2017 09:05

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As long as they pay tax why should I give a toss..they give me more entertainment than footballers any day.

papa smurf 21-07-2017 09:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35908664)
As long as they pay tax why should I give a toss..they give me more entertainment than footballers any day.

pay tax :rofl: oh bless

Osem 21-07-2017 10:00

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The rate of corporation tax is a lot lower than personal tax at higher income levels and there are all sorts of concessions through which people paid in this manner wind up paying a lot less tax (proportionately) than the rest of us. All perfectly legal of course but the end result is earn more money and pay less tax.

Why people should give a toss is because it's their licence fee money which is paying these bloated wages. Gary Lineker gives me marginally more pleasure than a stubbed toe but that doesn't mean he's good value or that someone else couldn't do it just as well for a lot less. Someone who isn't already a multimillionaire maybe. The BBC is a publicly funded organisation and ought to care about giving value to those who pay the wages, not just giving overrated so called 'stars' what they reckon they're worth. None of these people is hard up and if they really love the BBC as much as they say and believe in the special status it supposedly has in the nation's hearts I'm sure most of them won't mind earning a little less. Of course if all that's just a load of twaddle and they're just greedy well let them take their greed elsewhere and see how they get on.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908666)
pay tax :rofl: oh bless

Yep, there have been lots of tax avoidance schemes which have been closed down but which were used by rich celebrities (and others) so they could keep even more of the millions they earned and reduce what they paid into the nation's coffers to help pay for all those worthy causes they like to dine out on. That these same people so often seem to be able to whine on about poverty and greed without being exposed as complete hypocrites is beyond me.

denphone 21-07-2017 10:01

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Quite a lot of the BBC pay list won't even be revealed from next year from what l hear.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...-is-discounted

Julian 21-07-2017 11:04

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I don't get this gender pay gap stuff that comics like the guanriad keep banging on about.
The presenters are not fronting the same programme so it's impossible to make direct comparisons.

Osem 21-07-2017 11:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908676)
I don't get this gender pay gap stuff that comics like the guanriad keep banging on about.
The presenters are not fronting the same programme so it's impossible to make direct comparisons.

I agree with that. I can see why certain presenters are paid more than others because a good many of them do other shows as well. I believe Dan Walker is one such who gets paid more than his female co-presenter on morning TV but also does sports related programming which I believe she doesn't. If that's the case then comparing their salaries and implying it's sex discrimination is entirely bogus.

I don't think anyone can argue that all BBC presenters are equal and that they should be paid the same hourly rate.

Taf 21-07-2017 11:37

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A lot of agents for female "stars" are going to be sent into BBC offices to demand "parity" I reckon. Especially if they work with someone receiving more than them. And I do mean "receiving" not "earning".

Osem 21-07-2017 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35908678)
A lot of agents for female "stars" are going to be sent into BBC offices to demand "parity" I reckon. Especially if they work with someone receiving more than them. And I do mean "receiving" not "earning".

I'm sure they will so we'll all be able to judge just how greedy these people are in these times of austerity won't we.

papa smurf 21-07-2017 11:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Taf (Post 35908678)
A lot of agents for female "stars" are going to be sent into BBC offices to demand "parity" I reckon. Especially if they work with someone receiving more than them. And I do mean "receiving" not "earning".

so when will the beeb go cap in hand for a rise in tv licence fee's ??

Damien 21-07-2017 11:59

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Some of the female salaries do seem low in comparison. I.E Laura Kuenssberg is paid less than some other BBC political journalists despite being the political editor who roams around all the BBC's shows and platforms.

papa smurf 21-07-2017 12:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35908685)
Some of the female salaries do seem low in comparison. I.E Laura Kuenssberg is paid less than some other BBC political journalists despite being the political editor who roams around all the BBC's shows and platforms.

but perhaps that can be justified as she has a very one sided viewpoint ;)

Hugh 21-07-2017 12:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35908647)
Corporation tax most of them I reckon as they'll be putting it through limited companies. I may be wrong but it'll probably less than you're paying...

Limited companies pay salaries and dividends, and dividends are taxed at 28%, IIRC.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908684)
so when will the beeb go cap in hand for a rise in tv licence fee's ??

They won't.

The 2016 White Paper means that it will rise in line with inflation for the next 5 years.

papa smurf 21-07-2017 12:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35908689)
Limited companies pay salaries and dividends, and dividends are taxed at 28%, IIRC.

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They won't.

The 2016 White Paper means that it will rise in line with inflation for the next 5 years.

so if there's no extra money we can probably expect many to jump ship

Osem 21-07-2017 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35908689)
Limited companies pay salaries and dividends, and dividends are taxed at 28%, IIRC.

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They won't.

The 2016 White Paper means that it will rise in line with inflation for the next 5 years.

It was 28%. The current rate of Corporation Tax in the UK is now 19% and that's payable on profits which of course can be reduced by claiming all sorts of expenses which the average PAYE employee can't. The more employees earn the more tax they pay when compared to their company director equivalents. The very reason so many individuals decide to set up limited companies is to reduce their tax liabilities.

Given the reduction in CT, my rusty maths indicates that those greedy BBC stars who're operating via limited companies are already going to benefit from what amounts to an approx. 30% reduction in the tax they pay. Nice.

denphone 21-07-2017 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908688)
but perhaps that can be justified as she has a very one sided viewpoint ;)

That does not suit your narrow agenda....;)

Kursk 21-07-2017 13:13

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This "the-poor-women-get-paid-less-than-men" lark is a BBC diversionary tactic. The real issue is that all these people, and a load more nameless flunkies, are overpaid from public funds to which we are all required to compulsorily contribute. I resent it. These so-called stars are a bunch of preening, self-obsessed money grabbers who don't know what a real day's work is. And then there's the BIG names hiding their BIGGER pay packets delivered on the sly. Tax dodging gets.

I'd be happier if the compulsory £147 was divided up differently; say £47 for the beeb and £50 for the NHS and £50 for more police. Quick, someone explain it to Diane...;)

denphone 21-07-2017 13:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908692)
so if there's no extra money we can probably expect many to jump ship

Don't worry as you will be paying for them as well.:)

Pierre 21-07-2017 21:54

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
As I've mentioned earlier, I don't have an issue with it. But somebody gave me a point of view I was sympathetic to.

Unemployed People on benefits, families that are really struggling, public sector workers living with the 1% cap ....you get the idea.

By law, they have to pay the tv licence regardless. The proceeds of which pay for these salaries.

Now looking at it from this point of view, I think there is a point. The point being that the licence fee is now too outdated for today's world. TV has changed beyond recognition and the BBC needs to change.

Julian 21-07-2017 22:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35908697)
That does not suit your narrow agenda....;)

That doesn't offer a balanced opinion. ;):rolleyes:

denphone 22-07-2017 06:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35908757)
That doesn't offer a balanced opinion. ;):rolleyes:

No not to some sadly.;)

papa smurf 22-07-2017 09:32

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
now i know their on ITV but i was just wondering how much The Thunderbirds get paid :shrug:

figgyburn 23-07-2017 09:02

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
Why all the gender pay gap uproar.what about same gender pay gap?.why does huw Edwards get far more than his other male newscasters?.surely all males and females should be on the same pay scale.thats gender equality.

papa smurf 23-07-2017 09:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by figgyburn (Post 35908831)
Why all the gender pay gap uproar.what about same gender pay gap?.why does huw Edwards get far more than his other male newscasters?.surely all males and females should be on the same pay scale.thats gender equality.

pay parity and gender equality are two different things , i guess the higher paid are classed as the stars of the show and the rest just window dressing .

OLD BOY 29-07-2017 17:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908684)
so when will the beeb go cap in hand for a rise in tv licence fee's ??

If they scrapped the licence fee and introduced subscriptions, a lot of these problems would resolve themselves!

RichardCoulter 30-07-2017 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by richard s (Post 35908637)
Give him some slack chaps he was from an ordinary working class background the boy has done good for himself. Just wondering what is the tax band these BBC rich folk are having to pay.

But before he made it, his wife stuck by him. Once he'd made it he became an adulterer and dumped his wife for a younger model.

He's not the clean living family man he purports to be and deserves all he gets IMO.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35908689)
Limited companies pay salaries and dividends, and dividends are taxed at 28%, IIRC.

What we do is pay ourselves a token salary and take the test in dividends. I presume that the accountant has structured it like this because, if the taxable rate is higher, there are no NI contributions to pay.

Hugh 31-07-2017 11:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909909)
But before he made it, his wife stuck by him. Once he'd made it he became an adulterer and dumped his wife for a younger model.

He's not the clean living family man he purports to be and deserves all he gets IMO.

Got any evidence to back up that potentially libelous statement? Lineker's 1st wife filed for divorce in May 2006, and he started going out with his 2nd wife in September 2007.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35909909)
What we do is pay ourselves a token salary and take the test in dividends. I presume that the accountant has structured it like this because, if the taxable rate is higher, there are no NI contributions to pay.

Ah, tax avoidance/minimisation - why pay more tax than you have to, eh?

I'm old-fashioned - in the periods when I am contracting/self-employed (depending on where I am working, I either use an Umbrella company (where I pay all the tax and NI due, as if I was salaried), or I pay myself a reasonable salary (just below the 40% bracket), which means I pay a reasonable amount of tax and NI, and the rest in dividends (as I believe we all should contribute to the services we receive).

As always, YMMV.

Stuart 31-07-2017 16:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35908449)
If someone offered to pay me 1.8 million to do a job I liked I would take it, and not care what anyone thought :D

In fairness, having met you, I don't think you care too much what people think now.

Quote:

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35908450)
guzzling dr pepper is not a talent ,don't give up the day job ;)

I dunno, might get him through to at least the semis on Britain's Got Talent.

Hom3r 31-07-2017 18:02

Re: BBC salaries - good value for our money?
 
TBH who cares, if the BBC doesn't pay them other channels will, and people will follow.


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