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Chris 08-06-2017 09:19

The 2017 General Election
 
Please continue all election discussion here, and vote in the poll ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY VOTED.

Ta muchly. :)

Hugh 08-06-2017 09:30

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Amusing point about the drive for "tactical voting" being pushed by Labour, Greens, and the Lib Dems to keep out the Conservatives. They seem to forget it works both ways.

I know of Conservatives in two marginal Labour/Lib Dem constituencies who are voting Lib Dem to keep Labour out.

What's the old saying "be careful what you wish for...".

OLD BOY 08-06-2017 09:39

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
I do hope that voters see through Labour's extremely costly manifesto and work out for themselves that the country cannot afford such extravagance. Promise people the earth and some will believe it, but hopefully, most voters have sufficient common sense to realise that if it looks too good to be true, it probably isn't a runner.

Given that a huge chunk of the money Labour say will come from an increase in corporation tax, and given that recent reductions have increased the yield to the treasury, it seems to me that Labour have got their plusses and minuses mixed up. Increased corporation tax will result in a lower, not a higher yield in tax returns.

If you want to see what happens when Corbynista policies are enacted in a country, just take a look at what has happened in Venezuela - go on, Google it, and see whether it is the few or the many suffering there. Corbyn is a big fan of Venezualan politics, so be warned!

Corbyn is looking to increase our debt even further, despite the fact that our deficit continues to add to the trillions of pounds of our debt every day.

If this country is ever to pay of the deficit, and then our debt, thus freeing the next generation from having to pay it off for us (how selfish is that?) then voting Conservative is the only real choice.

Damien 08-06-2017 10:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35902164)
Amusing point about the drive for "tactical voting" being pushed by Labour, Greens, and the Lib Dems to keep out the Conservatives. They seem to forget it works both ways.

I know of Conservatives in two marginal Labour/Lib Dem constituencies who are voting Lib Dem to keep Labour out.

What's the old saying "be careful what you wish for...".

The Daily Mail advocated people in Sheffield Hallam vote for Nick Clegg in order to keep out Labour!

There is though an understanding that the right of the country has largely united and the left would have to do the same.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35902166)
If this country is ever to pay of the deficit, and then our debt, thus freeing the next generation from having to pay it off for us (how selfish is that?) then voting Conservative is the only real choice.

If Corbyn is to even achieve a hung parliament it will be off the back of young voters. For many of them the talk of not being able to afford things only applies selectively and not to pensioners who get triple-locked pensions whilst they get tuition fee rises. The Tories themselves continually put back their own deficit reduction targets to the point where it's barely mentioned in this election. Then you have the spending on things like trident which many of them see as a waste of money (I am not arguing that it is, just that the perception exists).

A lot of it comes across as spin as opposed to reality. After all two years ago Ed Miliband's policy of capping energy bills was a financially illiterate Marxist policy and now it's common sense.

So I guess my point is that if, somehow, Corbyn does it today then the Tories only have themselves to blame. They can't spend as much as they have on their own voters then turn around to young people to lecture them on financial responsibility.

Mr K 08-06-2017 10:16

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35902164)
Amusing point about the drive for "tactical voting" being pushed by Labour, Greens, and the Lib Dems to keep out the Conservatives. They seem to forget it works both ways.

I know of Conservatives in two marginal Labour/Lib Dem constituencies who are voting Lib Dem to keep Labour out.

What's the old saying "be careful what you wish for...".

If we had a decent electoral system people wouldn't need to think about tactical voting. As it is, if you choose to vote for a 3rd place party in your constituency your vote counts for nothing.

muppetman11 08-06-2017 11:23

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35902173)
If we had a decent electoral system people wouldn't need to think about tactical voting. As it is, if you choose to vote for a 3rd place party in your constituency your vote counts for nothing.

Totally agree.

Stuart 08-06-2017 11:45

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35902173)
If we had a decent electoral system people wouldn't need to think about tactical voting. As it is, if you choose to vote for a 3rd place party in your constituency your vote counts for nothing.

In practice, yes. In theory no.

That said, even the most diehard areas can change allegiances. My local ward has been staunch conservative since the Borough was created (around 1965). They usually give the conservative candidate a huge lead, even when Labour are polling well, and the conservatives are doing extremely badly. However, in one of the elections in the 90s, the Conservatives did so badly that it was almost a tie between the Lib Dems (who do traditionally come second) and them. So areas can change.

I have to admit, I am not sure who to vote for.

I like Labours manifesto, but I don't like the anti semitism that appears to be in the party. The sorts of things Jeremy Corbyn protested for in the past do make me uncomfortable, but I do like the fact he felt compelled to protest. This suggests to me that he entered politics because he wanted to change things, not as a career move. I like that, and I think that Theresa May is the complete opposite. She became Prime Minister because it was a promotion.

However, I don't think Jeremy is a strong leader. He has repeatedly failed to attack the government on various issues that should have made it easy for an opposition leader to get the upper hand. He said he supported the Remain campaign during the referendum, but stayed largely silent, not really campaigning for one side or the other (in fact, various members of the remain campaign tried to contact him and had trouble). I do feel he should have campaigned, even if he campaigned for the Leave campaign.

Theresa, I don't like. She switched allegiances because she saw what was popular, and seemingly got voted in as Prime minister because no one else actually wanted the job. Neither are good things in any leader. We need a leader that is going to make the right decisions for the country. These may not be popular decisions. After all, we don't always like to do what is right. e.g. Everyone agrees that it is the right decision to go to the dentist to get your teeth checked, but no one could argue that is a popular past time. I get the impression TM will go for the popular one. TM has compared herself to Margaret Thatcher. Apart from the fact they are both arguably strong women, and their initials are the same but reversed, I don't see any major similarities. There is one major difference though. Mrs T always did what she believed was right, even if it was unpopular. She was also a good negotiator and got the rebate from the EU that almost halved our contribution to the EU and the Leave campaign continually neglected to mention. Also there may be a reason she didn't actually get the job on Merit.

I can't comment one way or the other on Tim Farron. As a Lib Dem supporter, I'd like him to do well, but I don't actually know enough about him or his policies to comment on him one way or the other.

So, my choice is vote Labour, knowing that they have a weak leader, and a problem with anti-Semitism. Vote Tory, even though I disagree with their policies, and have major concerns that TM will just go for what she believes is popular, or Vote Lib Dem (or any one of the other parties) knowing they are unlikely to get anywhere. If I decide to vote tactically, my best option in my area is actually Labour, assuming I want the Tories out.

The one choice I don't believe I have is to not vote.

Chris 08-06-2017 12:17

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Tory.

The projection is that the Nats will hold my constituency but in Scotland, the overall size of the vote is all-important.

I'd dearly love the SNP to drop below 40%.

RizzyKing 08-06-2017 13:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Tory here not because they really earnt my vote but of a bad lot they were the least alarming choice and the only one i think will not accept any crap deal offered by the EU. Very underwhelming election by all of them with none showing any real reason to believe in them and i think Theresa May got lazy banking on the shambles that is labour to win it for her.

heero_yuy 08-06-2017 13:14

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35902193)
I'd dearly love the SNP to drop below 40%.

Anything that wipes the smirk of Nicola Krankie Surgeon's face gets my vote.

I can't vote as I'm away in Cornwall at the moment and forgot to get a postal form. However it'll make no difference in Worthing as it's true blue Tory throughout. Having said that Tim Loughton, our local Tory, has been very active on local issues especially the dreadful gridlock state of the A27 through the town so would have got my vote.

I'm interested to see what happens down here as the Torys and Lib-dems are both angling for the vote especially as the rural community went whole heartedly for Brexit. There are huge posters up in the fields next to roads for the Torys.

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Apocalypse Mao: Shops boarded up, rise in jobless, power cuts, strikes, soaring inflation, tax hikes, plummeting house prices, uncontrolled immigration, riots, monarchy under threat, kicked out of Nato, a country in meltdown and rules by the hard left… a chilling look at the future in Jeremy Corbyn’s Britain

Read this and be afraid, be very afraid.

passingbat 08-06-2017 13:30

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35902195)
Tory <snip> the only one i think will not accept any crap deal offered by the EU. .


Same reason here. And, much as some of Corbyn's policies are attractive, there just isn't the money to pay for them. Plus his association with terrorist groups, doubts about pushing the button if required, makes him dangerous in my view.

Uncle Peter 08-06-2017 13:32

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Done: Con

I hope the young and misguided who vote for the Marxist axis of nonsense are prepared to apologies to their children in 15-20 years time when successive governments have to pick up the pieces in the unlikely event they would get a majority.

denphone 08-06-2017 14:02

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Not exactly a great choice put in front of the electorate suffice to say but its important that one votes IMO as there are no excuses for those who do not vote as they cannot moan and groan afterwards about things if they did not take any part on democracy in the first place.

A poor choice and quite a difficult choice as firstly lets start with the Conservatives who give us the message of a strong and stable leadership in the national interest which of course is utter bollocks as apart from the great Sir Winston Churchill since then their strongest leader was Margaret Thatcher who was certainly was strong and not for U-turning unlike the current incumbent of 10 Downing Street who has made U-turns that you get in a boxed set of Top Gear DVDS

Although she will get in with a considerable majority come early tomorrow morning their manifesto was a utter disaster with ill thought out policies which quite obviously did not go down well even with her own natural supporters and that will not be forgotten about lightly one suspects in the coming years as l think it has damaged her and her party considerably in the longer term as people have long memorys.

We all know Brexit is happening but l have little faith in the likely outcome and l certainly don't expect one of the key planks of Brexit in lower immigration to be met at all and l think many are going to be very disappointed at the outcome several years down the road as its not going to be the bed of roses that some imagined and hoped for.

Well lets get on to Jeremy Corbyn who l to don't have much faith in either as he is very much too leftist for my liking and like the Conservatives certainly does not have the national interests at heart although l do like some of Labours manifesto policies l do worry about where the money will come to pay for it all this.

Thirdly lets get on to Tim Farron who's gay sex & abortion blunders’ in earlier in the election campaign have not gone down well and ever since then he has been fighting a losing battle and one cannot be surprised at that as they were significant own goals IMO.

So there you are 3 leaders all distinctly very poor but at the end of the day one has to put a cross on their ballet paper so l have chosen Labour with a heavy heart not because of their leader but because l agree with far more of their policies then the other parties at the end of the day.

OLD BOY 08-06-2017 14:14

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35902184)
In practice, yes. In theory no.

That said, even the most diehard areas can change allegiances. My local ward has been staunch conservative since the Borough was created (around 1965). They usually give the conservative candidate a huge lead, even when Labour are polling well, and the conservatives are doing extremely badly. However, in one of the elections in the 90s, the Conservatives did so badly that it was almost a tie between the Lib Dems (who do traditionally come second) and them. So areas can change.

I have to admit, I am not sure who to vote for.

I like Labours manifesto, but I don't like the anti semitism that appears to be in the party. The sorts of things Jeremy Corbyn protested for in the past do make me uncomfortable, but I do like the fact he felt compelled to protest. This suggests to me that he entered politics because he wanted to change things, not as a career move. I like that, and I think that Theresa May is the complete opposite. She became Prime Minister because it was a promotion.

However, I don't think Jeremy is a strong leader. He has repeatedly failed to attack the government on various issues that should have made it easy for an opposition leader to get the upper hand. He said he supported the Remain campaign during the referendum, but stayed largely silent, not really campaigning for one side or the other (in fact, various members of the remain campaign tried to contact him and had trouble). I do feel he should have campaigned, even if he campaigned for the Leave campaign.

Theresa, I don't like. She switched allegiances because she saw what was popular, and seemingly got voted in as Prime minister because no one else actually wanted the job. Neither are good things in any leader. We need a leader that is going to make the right decisions for the country. These may not be popular decisions. After all, we don't always like to do what is right. e.g. Everyone agrees that it is the right decision to go to the dentist to get your teeth checked, but no one could argue that is a popular past time. I get the impression TM will go for the popular one. TM has compared herself to Margaret Thatcher. Apart from the fact they are both arguably strong women, and their initials are the same but reversed, I don't see any major similarities. There is one major difference though. Mrs T always did what she believed was right, even if it was unpopular. She was also a good negotiator and got the rebate from the EU that almost halved our contribution to the EU and the Leave campaign continually neglected to mention. Also there may be a reason she didn't actually get the job on Merit.

I can't comment one way or the other on Tim Farron. As a Lib Dem supporter, I'd like him to do well, but I don't actually know enough about him or his policies to comment on him one way or the other.

So, my choice is vote Labour, knowing that they have a weak leader, and a problem with anti-Semitism. Vote Tory, even though I disagree with their policies, and have major concerns that TM will just go for what she believes is popular, or Vote Lib Dem (or any one of the other parties) knowing they are unlikely to get anywhere. If I decide to vote tactically, my best option in my area is actually Labour, assuming I want the Tories out.

The one choice I don't believe I have is to not vote.

Labour have populist policies that cannot be funded and a Leader whom MI5 think is a security risk. Unless you want a deteriorating economy and a deteriorating security situation with a Leader who wants to cosy up to losers such as leaders of terrorist organisations and of failing economies, you should not go there.

The Conservatives have an unfortunate reputation, which disguises the real benefits they can bring to Britain with the strong leadership TM should be able to command with a resounding majority.

The Lib Dems' Tim Farron is all mouth and no trousers and his extra 1p on income tax will hurt the 'just about managing' without actually resolving the problems with social care.

The rest (apart from the SNP in Scotland) would be a wasted vote.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902209)
Not exactly a great choice put in front of the electorate suffice to say but its important that one votes IMO as there are no excuses for those who do not vote as they cannot moan and groan afterwards about things if they did not take any part on democracy in the first place.

A poor choice and quite a difficult choice as firstly lets start with the Conservatives who give us the message of a strong and stable leadership in the national interest which of course is utter bollocks as apart from the great Sir Winston Churchill since then their strongest leader was Margaret Thatcher who was certainly was strong and not for U-turning unlike the current incumbent of 10 Downing Street who has made U-turns that you get in a boxed set of Top Gear DVDS

Although she will get in with a considerable majority come early tomorrow morning their manifesto was a utter disaster with ill thought out policies which quite obviously did not go down well even with her own natural supporters and that will not be forgotten about lightly one suspects in the coming years as l think it has damaged her and her party considerably in the longer term as people have long memorys.

We all know Brexit is happening but l have little faith in the likely outcome and l certainly don't expect one of the key planks of Brexit in lower immigration to be met at all and l think many are going to be very disappointed at the outcome several years down the road as its not going to be the bed of roses that some imagined and hoped for.

Well lets get on to Jeremy Corbyn who l to don't have much faith in either as he is very much too leftist for my liking and like the Conservatives certainly does not have the national interests at heart although l do like some of Labours manifesto policies l do worry about where the money will come to pay for it all this.

Thirdly lets get on to Tim Farron who's gay sex & abortion blunders’ in earlier in the election campaign have not gone down well and ever since then he has been fighting a losing battle and one cannot be surprised at that as they were significant own goals IMO.

So there you are 3 leaders all distinctly very poor but at the end of the day one has to put a cross on their ballet paper so l have chosen Labour with a heavy heart not because of their leader but because l agree with far more of their policies then the other parties at the end of the day.

I'm sorry to hear that, Den. A wrong decision in my view, but we are all entitled to our own opinions and to cast our votes as we think.

I don't think that the Conservative manifesto was a disaster at all, but I must say that the controversy over that social care issue was not well handled.

The policy remains the same as it appears in the manifesto, but what has been clarified is that there will also be a limit on how much anyone has to pay. Disaster? A grand misuse of that word, I think. It was a hidden benefit to people, not a hidden cost

passingbat 08-06-2017 14:35

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
For Brexiteers, who want a proper Brexit, there is only one choice and that is the Conservatives. May has got best plan for Brexit. Labour will compromise so much that it will be worthless; Corbyn doesn't want immigration reduced, and we'd end up staying in the Single Market, and because of that, the ECJ.


I'm wary of Conservative governments, but for me, at this election, Brexit overrides those concerns. It helps that Labour, under Corbyn, (and his buddies) have lost all sense of what we can afford, and with Corbyn, would give the country a terrorist supporting leader.

Mr K 08-06-2017 14:39

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35902226)
For Brexiteers, who want a proper Brexit, there is only one choice and that is the Conservatives. May has got best plan for Brexit. Labour will compromise so much that it will be worthless; Corbyn doesn't want immigration reduced, and we'd end up staying in the Single Market, and because of that, the ECJ.


I'm wary of Conservative governments, but for me, at this election, Brexit overrides those concerns. It helps that Labour, under Corbyn, (and his buddies) have lost all sense of what we can afford, and with Corbyn, would give the country a terrorist supporting leader.

You know some Brexiteers seem to be paranoid that Brexit is going to be a complete disaster. Chillax, what can possibly go wrong ? ;)

As for a 'proper' Brexit that would be a 'hard no deal Brexit ? - which Labour has ruled out as that would be a guaranteed disaster.

passingbat 08-06-2017 14:53

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35902227)

As for a 'proper' Brexit that would be a 'hard no deal Brexit ? .


It means Hard Brexit, and walking away if we can't get a decent deal.


Saying, as Labour has, that we will, under any circumstances, get a deal, is a way to ensure a lousy deal. Plain common sense really.

Jimmy-J 08-06-2017 15:17

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902209)
Not exactly a great choice put in front of the electorate suffice to say but its important that one votes IMO as there are no excuses for those who do not vote as they cannot moan and groan afterwards about things if they did not take any part on democracy in the first place.

So there you are 3 leaders all distinctly very poor but at the end of the day one has to put a cross on their ballet paper

There are excuses not to vote, you have already mentioned them. I don't think anyone should lose their right to an opinion just because they didn't vote. Especially when the choice is a poor one.

Osem 08-06-2017 15:39

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy-J (Post 35902236)
There are excuses not to vote, you have already mentioned them. I don't think anyone should lose their right to an opinion just because they didn't vote. Especially when the choice is a poor one.

The answer to that scenario is to separate yourself from those who can't be bothered and write 'none of the above' on the ballot paper so that our politicians can't simply dismiss everyone who didn't vote for them as lazy. If enough people did his they'd have no such excuse. It might just focus their minds on how many people are fed up with the current political offering.

Gary L 08-06-2017 16:14

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

Mick 08-06-2017 16:18

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35902246)
Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

Absolute rubbish about pens. You have absolutely no evidence to back this absurd stuff up.

OLD BOY 08-06-2017 16:46

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35902246)
Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

You are obviously an avid follower of fake news, Gary! Anyway, there's still the Tippex! :rofl:

Chris 08-06-2017 17:29

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35902246)
Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.

at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative.

don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again!

You know you're not allowed pens Gary. But they might let you use a crayon if you ask nicely.

Sirius 08-06-2017 18:51

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
As i am ex forces who served during the troubles in Northern Ireland and stood against the IRA, i could not bring myself to Vote for Corbyn who stood along side the IRA and supported them. I can never vote for the Libs as they are just tree huggers so Conservative it was.

Osem 08-06-2017 19:16

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35902266)
As i am ex forces who served during the troubles in Northern Ireland and stood against the IRA, i could not bring myself to Vote for Corbyn who stood along side the IRA and supported them. I can never vote for the Libs as they are just tree huggers so Conservative it was.

... and unlike Corbyn and so many of those who surround him I'm grateful and proud of our armed forces and the role so many people just like you and your son have played in serving our country. I well remember the sort of things he and his fellow Labour apologists used to say and do so voting for them would be like stabbing you all in the back.

Damien 08-06-2017 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35902269)
Voting for them would be like stabbing you all in the back.

That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

Osem 08-06-2017 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35902250)
You are obviously an avid follower of fake news, Gary! Anyway, there's still the Tippex! :rofl:

Judging by his post, he's already been sniffing it... :D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902270)
That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

No it isn't because it's a comment aimed at Corbyn, his close associates past and present and those currently running Labour, not the party as a whole.

denphone 08-06-2017 19:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902270)
That's like when people say if you don't vote Labour you're attacking nurses/the disabled/the poor.

Indeed l think its unwise to look at things rather simplistically as some do for example the nasty party label and the red Marxist label are two some seem to attach to certain political parties.

RizzyKing 08-06-2017 19:42

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I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.

Osem 08-06-2017 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35902229)
It means Hard Brexit, and walking away if we can't get a decent deal.


Saying, as Labour has, that we will, under any circumstances, get a deal, is a way to ensure a lousy deal. Plain common sense really.

Correct. It's really not rocket science is it and you just have to wonder about how those who peddle this sort of guff go about negotiating in their real lives and careers. Tell the other side your bottom line from the outset??!! :nutter:

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35902278)
I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.

I disagree. Fancy being elected by less votes than the number of spoiled papers. What sort of credibility would such politicians have? If we want better we have to show the current encumbents how little we think of them, not just stay at home and moan about how they don't represent them.

dilli-theclaw 08-06-2017 19:49

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
If I can't find my polling card what do I need to take with me?

Osem 08-06-2017 19:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35902278)
I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.

I disagree. Fancy being elected by less votes than the number of spoiled papers. What sort of credibility would such politicians have? If we want better we have to show the current encumbents how little we think of them, not just stay at home and moan about how they don't represent us. If 100% of the electorate bothered to turn out and the majority of papers were spoiled it'd be perfectly obvious what that meant. It's only the low turnouts which allow these people to get away with claiming there's no proof of how those who didn't vote would have done so.

denphone 08-06-2017 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35902282)
If I can't find my polling card what do I need to take with me?

Yes you can, as long as you are still registered to vote.

Just tell the people at the desk your name and address and they will find you on the electoral register – and hand you your ballot paper.

ID means a utility bill , bank statement , driving license , passport

RizzyKing 08-06-2017 19:57

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Oh come on Osem they only care about the number of official votes we have had numerous governments elected with a minority of the voting population supporting them. Now start a campaign to have "none of the above" included and officially recognised and I'm right there with you but a spoilt vote under the currant system is nothing meaningful.

Stephen 08-06-2017 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dilli-theclaw (Post 35902282)
If I can't find my polling card what do I need to take with me?

Nothing. Just need to confirm your name and address.

Hom3r 08-06-2017 20:41

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I was seriously for the first time voting Tory:sick:
But my Tory MP voted against gay marriage, and as my niece has just come out, I cannot morally vote for him.

I believe that only Labour & Tories are the only parties to vote for (in England), others are a wasted vote.

I only hope when I wake up tomorrow the SNP leader losses her seat and deposit.

Osem 08-06-2017 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35902288)
Oh come on Osem they only care about the number of official votes we have had numerous governments elected with a minority of the voting population supporting them. Now start a campaign to have "none of the above" included and officially recognised and I'm right there with you but a spoilt vote under the currant system is nothing meaningful.

Only because the numbers of spoiled papers are so small. If everyone suddenly bothered to turn out there's no way they could legitimately claim that what went from an average 40% turnout to 100% with 60% spoilt ballots could be anything other than most people voting effectively for none of the above. If more people bothered to vote and spoiled their papers that'd be the best possible argument for including a 'none of he above' option. As it is, it's too easy for one side or other to claim that the missing votes are just loyal supporters not bothering in safe seats for example. As long as they can argue that and the turnouts are low they won't change anything and will benefit from apathy one way or the other.

Damien 08-06-2017 22:02

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
ICM's head pollster seems to think they've gotten their poll wrong.

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Screw it though, sticking with Tories at 80 seat majority.

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Hung Parliament!!

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It's quite clear this country just likes throwing spanners in the works

Dave42 08-06-2017 22:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
hung parliament predicted if labour had different leader would have walked it

Julian 08-06-2017 22:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902305)
ICM's head pollster seems to think they've gotten their poll wrong.

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Screw it though, sticking with Tories at 80 seat majority.

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Hung Parliament!!

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It's quite clear this country just likes throwing spanners in the works

LOL

MalteseFalcon 08-06-2017 22:04

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Damn, this is a disaster, the UK is screwed with Corbyn in power.

Dave42 08-06-2017 22:07

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35902311)
Damn, this is a disaster, the UK is screwed with Corbyn in power.

disaster is the nasty party win

Mr K 08-06-2017 22:11

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
The CF exit poll seems to be a bit off the mark. There should be an inquiry.

Dave42 08-06-2017 22:12

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
so much for the nasty party landslide

Sirius 08-06-2017 22:14

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
It will be interesting to see if the poll is more accurate this time

denphone 08-06-2017 22:15

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
If this exit poll is true and that is a very big if then this has been one very bad call by Theresa May to call a general election

peanut 08-06-2017 22:16

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902317)
If this exit poll is true and that is a very big if then this has been one very bad call by Theresa May to call a general election

It could be exactly what she wanted.

Sirius 08-06-2017 22:17

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902317)
If this exit poll is true and that is a very big if then this has been one very bad call by Theresa May to call a general election

Indeed

RizzyKing 08-06-2017 22:20

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
I'm hoping the polls are as accurate as usual lately because we need a single strong party to get us through brexit without it costing us disproportionately and that isn't labour or the lib dems. I have been surprised at how slack the tory campaign was it was almost as if they just took it for granted victory was theirs and didn't bother. We have a new guy standing for the tories in my town and no one has seen him or knows much about him beyond a paragraph on a pretty pathetic leaflet that was left on the doorstep.

Sirius 08-06-2017 22:20

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peanut (Post 35902318)
It could be exactly what she wanted.

To be honest i think she wanted to lose this election.

1andrew1 08-06-2017 22:26

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35902321)
To be honest i think she wanted to lose this election.

Theresa knows that Brexit means Wrecks it (the economy) so that's possible but unlikely.

Damien 08-06-2017 22:26

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Exit polls have usually been close to the result with the exception of 1992. But even if the exit poll has gotten this wrong by 20 or so seats and they maintain a narrow majority May is in trouble.

denphone 08-06-2017 22:36

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902323)
Exit polls have usually been close to the result with the exception of 1992. But even if the exit poll has gotten this wrong by 20 or so seats and they maintain a narrow majority May is in trouble.

The market's are reacting badly as if the exit poll is correct then there could be quite a significant fall tomorrow on thr market.

RizzyKing 08-06-2017 22:36

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Oh fgs 1andrew1 give it a rest you've been predicting doom every step and none of it has happened and economic wise being able to once again freely trade with who we choose and how we choose has the potential to boost our economy. Brexit does not automatically mean economic ruin no matter how times you repeat it and if your so certain and believe so much in the EU let us know when your leaving the UK to go to your EU utopia and I'll turn up to wave you off.

May certainly hasn't given even the slightest appearence of really wanting this and it does beg the question why and if it comes out that the conservatives deliberately hampered their election campaign the backlash is not going to be pretty trouble is we have no real practical alternative that is even close to competent.

Damien 08-06-2017 22:37

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
If the exit poll is right it's pure chaos, no one can form a majority government here.

Paul 08-06-2017 22:41

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Latest Exit Poll ;

CON 314, LAB 266, SNP 34, LD 14, UKIP 0, Plaid Cymru 3, Green 1, Others 18

Mick 08-06-2017 22:46

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Lib Dems holding firm on holding no pact, no coalition with either Labour or Tories.

denphone 08-06-2017 22:47

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902326)
If the exit poll is right it's pure chaos, no one can form a majority government here.

Well l think someone said earlier on this thread about which leader would be resigning and Tim Farron was thr answer but if this exit pill is true then Theresa Mays position could be become pretty untenable pretty quickly.

Paul 08-06-2017 22:49

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
She has made a right screw up.

Makes you wonder if it was deliberate.

Damien 08-06-2017 22:49

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35902330)
Lib Dems holding firm on holding no pact, no coalition with either Labour or Tories.

They're too small to extract meaningful concessions anyway plus if the exit poll is right they've made a minor recovery from 2015 which they won't want to throw away in a hurry.

Mick 08-06-2017 22:50

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Pound has fallen sharply against Dollar.

Damien 08-06-2017 22:52

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35902334)
Pound has fallen sharply against Dollar.

Yup.

It's madness. Again. No matter what happens, unless the poll is really wrong, then any possible government is quite weak. Maybe another election.

denphone 08-06-2017 22:52

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Well what are the odds on another general election in the next few months?

Damien 08-06-2017 22:58

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902336)
Well what are the odds on another general election in the next few months?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2017/06/12.jpg

Mick 08-06-2017 22:59

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902336)
Well what are the odds on another general election in the next few months?

They have just said that on results show on Skynews.

1andrew1 08-06-2017 23:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902335)
Yup.

It's madness. Again. No matter what happens, unless the poll is really wrong, then any possible government is quite weak. Maybe another election.

Whilst British governments come and go, the Brexit alarm clock is still counting down to March 2019.
But postal votes that favour older voters could still win it for Therese May.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902335)
Yup.

It's madness. Again. No matter what happens, unless the poll is really wrong, then any possible government is quite weak. Maybe another election.

Would May and Corbyn resign in the event of another election? I assume so otherwise we may just get the same result.

Damien 08-06-2017 23:10

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35902339)
Whilst British governments come and go, the Brexit alarm clock is still counting down to March 2019.
But postal votes that favour older voters could still win it for Therese May.

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Would May and Corbyn resign in the event of another election? I assume so otherwise we may just get the same result.

May would, Corbyn probably wouldn't.

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Initial results suggest Exit poll might be wrong.

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Swing of 11% to the Tories in Sunderland....

1andrew1 08-06-2017 23:12

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35902341)
May would, Corbyn probably wouldn't.

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Initial results suggest Exit poll might be wrong.

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Swing of 11% to the Tories in Sunderland....

I'm dubious of the exit poll.

denphone 08-06-2017 23:13

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
The nats will certainly be more diminished after tonight methinks.:)

Chris 08-06-2017 23:30

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Well, I was worried at 10pm but far happier at 11pm. There's no way the exit poll is correct with a swing TO the Tories like that in Sunderland.

Paul 08-06-2017 23:38

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Looking at Sunderland, basically the UKIPs moved to voting Conservative.

Chris 08-06-2017 23:43

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35902349)
Looking at Sunderland, basically the UKIPs moved to voting Conservative.

I think the exit poll is overestimating the Labour vote. (Which sadly means I don't think the SNP will lose 22 in Scotland).

denphone 08-06-2017 23:43

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Amber Rudd could possibly lose her seat in Hastings.

Hugh 08-06-2017 23:50

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Apparently Postal Voting explains the difference between the Exit Polls and what's actually happening.

Chris 08-06-2017 23:52

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Yep ... pollsters starting to cover their ar$es ...

Mr K 09-06-2017 01:34

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
It's all gone very quiet here ;). Well done the young, looks like they've finally come out and voted.

Stephen 09-06-2017 01:49

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
I'm happy.

Rutherglen is back under Labour, having won it back from the SNP.

Paul 09-06-2017 01:58

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
SNP have lost "Angus" to the Conservatives.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:18

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35902356)
SNP have lost "Angus" to the Conservatives.

A swing of more than 16% from SNP to Conservative. If that is replicated across rural Scotland, the Tories could yet be saved by their Scottish MPs, which would be quite something.

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Yesssssssss! Angus Robertson is out on his ear. Tories take Moray from the SNP.

Mick 09-06-2017 02:18

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Another Tory Gain from SNP Ochil and Perthshire South.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:25

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Ochil and South Perthshire goes from Nat to Tory as well. :D

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Hah, BBC Scotland is only just announcing that result but you saw it 7 minutes ago Mick :spin:

Mick 09-06-2017 02:28

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Tories Gain Southport from Lib Dems.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:31

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
The BBC is now projecting 322 for the Tories which is one short of a majority. I still think they will scrape home, but if they are short, it looks like they're close enough to be able to lean on the DUP. Who, let's not forget, are almost as Brexitty as UKIP. :D

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The SNP is looking at a 15 point drop in its vote.

denphone 09-06-2017 02:33

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35902355)
I'm happy.

Rutherglen is back under Labour, having won it back from the SNP.

The SNP has really got their comeuppance tonight.:)

Chris 09-06-2017 02:35

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
The Tories are chasing hard to win Perthshire North from the SNP, which is now being recounted for the second time.

denphone 09-06-2017 02:35

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35902363)
The BBC is now projecting 322 for the Tories which is one short of a majority. I still think they will scrape home, but if they are short, it looks like they're close enough to be able to lean on the DUP. Who, let's not forget, are almost as Brexitty as UKIP. :D

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The SNP is looking at a 15 point drop in its vote.

four seats short of a majority from what l have seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454

Chris 09-06-2017 02:37

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902367)
four seats short of a majority from what l have seen.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/election-2017-40171454

Technically, yes, but remember Sinn Feinn don't take their seats. In reality the winning post isn't 326; depending on how many seats SF win, it's about 323.

Mick 09-06-2017 02:37

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35902365)
The SNP has really got their comeuppance tonight.:)

No more Angus Robertson in the Commons is a Win Win for me.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:38

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
East Renfrewshire has gone Tory. This is fantastic.

denphone 09-06-2017 02:41

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35902369)
No more Angus Robertson in the Commons is a Win Win for me.

One wonders in a few days which party leaders might not be there anymore.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:43

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
And East Dunbartonshire has returned to the Lib Dems. I'm pleased about that, Jo Swinson seems nice. She was the MP here before 2015.

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Well, at the moment the Tories' running total is one up. Long may it continue.

RizzyKing 09-06-2017 02:43

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Well looks like the young un's have got the revenge they wanted over the EU referendum.

denphone 09-06-2017 02:46

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35902375)
Well looks like the young un's have got the revenge they wanted over the EU referendum.

Whoever one voted for the biggest mistake politicians can make is taking the electorate for granted.

Mick 09-06-2017 02:46

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Nick Clegg OUT. Lost seat to Labour.

Chris 09-06-2017 02:54

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
:rofl:

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And Vince is back in Twickenham.

RizzyKing 09-06-2017 02:57

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Well I'm starting to think the only way theresa may could have thrown this election away more then she has is by campaigning with a red rosette and right now I'm pretty angry both at the way she handled this campaign which for someone with her experience was utterly pathetic and the fact that talk of boris for leader is back.

Chris 09-06-2017 03:03

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Yep, I am shocked at how awful she has been. One thing is for sure she won't be leader of the Tory party at the 2022 election. Tories are brutal with their leaders. I wonder what odds you'd get on her still being in charge 12 months from now.

denphone 09-06-2017 03:05

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Ben Gummer out in Ipswich.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35902384)
Yep, I am shocked at how awful she has been. One thing is for sure she won't be leader of the Tory party at the 2022 election. Tories are brutal with their leaders. I wonder what odds you'd get on her still being in charge 12 months from now.

l don't even think she will last that long.

Mick 09-06-2017 03:05

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Tories Gain Ayr from SNP.

Chris 09-06-2017 03:09

Re: The Cable Forum 2017 Exit Poll
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35902387)
Tories Gain Ayr from SNP.

Yaaaaay!

Tories are winning seats in Scotland that didn't show up in anyone's projections. Their Scottish performance really could save the day.

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And now Aberdeen South.


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