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The 2017 General Election
Please continue all election discussion here, and vote in the poll ONLY IF YOU HAVE ACTUALLY VOTED.
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Amusing point about the drive for "tactical voting" being pushed by Labour, Greens, and the Lib Dems to keep out the Conservatives. They seem to forget it works both ways.
I know of Conservatives in two marginal Labour/Lib Dem constituencies who are voting Lib Dem to keep Labour out. What's the old saying "be careful what you wish for...". |
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I do hope that voters see through Labour's extremely costly manifesto and work out for themselves that the country cannot afford such extravagance. Promise people the earth and some will believe it, but hopefully, most voters have sufficient common sense to realise that if it looks too good to be true, it probably isn't a runner.
Given that a huge chunk of the money Labour say will come from an increase in corporation tax, and given that recent reductions have increased the yield to the treasury, it seems to me that Labour have got their plusses and minuses mixed up. Increased corporation tax will result in a lower, not a higher yield in tax returns. If you want to see what happens when Corbynista policies are enacted in a country, just take a look at what has happened in Venezuela - go on, Google it, and see whether it is the few or the many suffering there. Corbyn is a big fan of Venezualan politics, so be warned! Corbyn is looking to increase our debt even further, despite the fact that our deficit continues to add to the trillions of pounds of our debt every day. If this country is ever to pay of the deficit, and then our debt, thus freeing the next generation from having to pay it off for us (how selfish is that?) then voting Conservative is the only real choice. |
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A lot of it comes across as spin as opposed to reality. After all two years ago Ed Miliband's policy of capping energy bills was a financially illiterate Marxist policy and now it's common sense. So I guess my point is that if, somehow, Corbyn does it today then the Tories only have themselves to blame. They can't spend as much as they have on their own voters then turn around to young people to lecture them on financial responsibility. |
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That said, even the most diehard areas can change allegiances. My local ward has been staunch conservative since the Borough was created (around 1965). They usually give the conservative candidate a huge lead, even when Labour are polling well, and the conservatives are doing extremely badly. However, in one of the elections in the 90s, the Conservatives did so badly that it was almost a tie between the Lib Dems (who do traditionally come second) and them. So areas can change. I have to admit, I am not sure who to vote for. I like Labours manifesto, but I don't like the anti semitism that appears to be in the party. The sorts of things Jeremy Corbyn protested for in the past do make me uncomfortable, but I do like the fact he felt compelled to protest. This suggests to me that he entered politics because he wanted to change things, not as a career move. I like that, and I think that Theresa May is the complete opposite. She became Prime Minister because it was a promotion. However, I don't think Jeremy is a strong leader. He has repeatedly failed to attack the government on various issues that should have made it easy for an opposition leader to get the upper hand. He said he supported the Remain campaign during the referendum, but stayed largely silent, not really campaigning for one side or the other (in fact, various members of the remain campaign tried to contact him and had trouble). I do feel he should have campaigned, even if he campaigned for the Leave campaign. Theresa, I don't like. She switched allegiances because she saw what was popular, and seemingly got voted in as Prime minister because no one else actually wanted the job. Neither are good things in any leader. We need a leader that is going to make the right decisions for the country. These may not be popular decisions. After all, we don't always like to do what is right. e.g. Everyone agrees that it is the right decision to go to the dentist to get your teeth checked, but no one could argue that is a popular past time. I get the impression TM will go for the popular one. TM has compared herself to Margaret Thatcher. Apart from the fact they are both arguably strong women, and their initials are the same but reversed, I don't see any major similarities. There is one major difference though. Mrs T always did what she believed was right, even if it was unpopular. She was also a good negotiator and got the rebate from the EU that almost halved our contribution to the EU and the Leave campaign continually neglected to mention. Also there may be a reason she didn't actually get the job on Merit. I can't comment one way or the other on Tim Farron. As a Lib Dem supporter, I'd like him to do well, but I don't actually know enough about him or his policies to comment on him one way or the other. So, my choice is vote Labour, knowing that they have a weak leader, and a problem with anti-Semitism. Vote Tory, even though I disagree with their policies, and have major concerns that TM will just go for what she believes is popular, or Vote Lib Dem (or any one of the other parties) knowing they are unlikely to get anywhere. If I decide to vote tactically, my best option in my area is actually Labour, assuming I want the Tories out. The one choice I don't believe I have is to not vote. |
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The projection is that the Nats will hold my constituency but in Scotland, the overall size of the vote is all-important. I'd dearly love the SNP to drop below 40%. |
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Tory here not because they really earnt my vote but of a bad lot they were the least alarming choice and the only one i think will not accept any crap deal offered by the EU. Very underwhelming election by all of them with none showing any real reason to believe in them and i think Theresa May got lazy banking on the shambles that is labour to win it for her.
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I can't vote as I'm away in Cornwall at the moment and forgot to get a postal form. However it'll make no difference in Worthing as it's true blue Tory throughout. Having said that Tim Loughton, our local Tory, has been very active on local issues especially the dreadful gridlock state of the A27 through the town so would have got my vote. I'm interested to see what happens down here as the Torys and Lib-dems are both angling for the vote especially as the rural community went whole heartedly for Brexit. There are huge posters up in the fields next to roads for the Torys. ---------- Post added at 13:14 ---------- Previous post was at 13:05 ---------- Apocalypse Mao: Shops boarded up, rise in jobless, power cuts, strikes, soaring inflation, tax hikes, plummeting house prices, uncontrolled immigration, riots, monarchy under threat, kicked out of Nato, a country in meltdown and rules by the hard left… a chilling look at the future in Jeremy Corbyn’s Britain Read this and be afraid, be very afraid. |
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Same reason here. And, much as some of Corbyn's policies are attractive, there just isn't the money to pay for them. Plus his association with terrorist groups, doubts about pushing the button if required, makes him dangerous in my view. |
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I hope the young and misguided who vote for the Marxist axis of nonsense are prepared to apologies to their children in 15-20 years time when successive governments have to pick up the pieces in the unlikely event they would get a majority. |
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Not exactly a great choice put in front of the electorate suffice to say but its important that one votes IMO as there are no excuses for those who do not vote as they cannot moan and groan afterwards about things if they did not take any part on democracy in the first place.
A poor choice and quite a difficult choice as firstly lets start with the Conservatives who give us the message of a strong and stable leadership in the national interest which of course is utter bollocks as apart from the great Sir Winston Churchill since then their strongest leader was Margaret Thatcher who was certainly was strong and not for U-turning unlike the current incumbent of 10 Downing Street who has made U-turns that you get in a boxed set of Top Gear DVDS Although she will get in with a considerable majority come early tomorrow morning their manifesto was a utter disaster with ill thought out policies which quite obviously did not go down well even with her own natural supporters and that will not be forgotten about lightly one suspects in the coming years as l think it has damaged her and her party considerably in the longer term as people have long memorys. We all know Brexit is happening but l have little faith in the likely outcome and l certainly don't expect one of the key planks of Brexit in lower immigration to be met at all and l think many are going to be very disappointed at the outcome several years down the road as its not going to be the bed of roses that some imagined and hoped for. Well lets get on to Jeremy Corbyn who l to don't have much faith in either as he is very much too leftist for my liking and like the Conservatives certainly does not have the national interests at heart although l do like some of Labours manifesto policies l do worry about where the money will come to pay for it all this. Thirdly lets get on to Tim Farron who's gay sex & abortion blunders’ in earlier in the election campaign have not gone down well and ever since then he has been fighting a losing battle and one cannot be surprised at that as they were significant own goals IMO. So there you are 3 leaders all distinctly very poor but at the end of the day one has to put a cross on their ballet paper so l have chosen Labour with a heavy heart not because of their leader but because l agree with far more of their policies then the other parties at the end of the day. |
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The Conservatives have an unfortunate reputation, which disguises the real benefits they can bring to Britain with the strong leadership TM should be able to command with a resounding majority. The Lib Dems' Tim Farron is all mouth and no trousers and his extra 1p on income tax will hurt the 'just about managing' without actually resolving the problems with social care. The rest (apart from the SNP in Scotland) would be a wasted vote. ---------- Post added at 14:14 ---------- Previous post was at 14:06 ---------- Quote:
I don't think that the Conservative manifesto was a disaster at all, but I must say that the controversy over that social care issue was not well handled. The policy remains the same as it appears in the manifesto, but what has been clarified is that there will also be a limit on how much anyone has to pay. Disaster? A grand misuse of that word, I think. It was a hidden benefit to people, not a hidden cost |
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For Brexiteers, who want a proper Brexit, there is only one choice and that is the Conservatives. May has got best plan for Brexit. Labour will compromise so much that it will be worthless; Corbyn doesn't want immigration reduced, and we'd end up staying in the Single Market, and because of that, the ECJ.
I'm wary of Conservative governments, but for me, at this election, Brexit overrides those concerns. It helps that Labour, under Corbyn, (and his buddies) have lost all sense of what we can afford, and with Corbyn, would give the country a terrorist supporting leader. |
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As for a 'proper' Brexit that would be a 'hard no deal Brexit ? - which Labour has ruled out as that would be a guaranteed disaster. |
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It means Hard Brexit, and walking away if we can't get a decent deal. Saying, as Labour has, that we will, under any circumstances, get a deal, is a way to ensure a lousy deal. Plain common sense really. |
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Labour will win this time around because people are taking pens with them.
at the last election the Cons got in because they rubbed out the pencil labour votes and changed them to Conservative. don't forget your pens! don't let them do it again! |
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As i am ex forces who served during the troubles in Northern Ireland and stood against the IRA, i could not bring myself to Vote for Corbyn who stood along side the IRA and supported them. I can never vote for the Libs as they are just tree huggers so Conservative it was.
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I got out and voted but i know a few people who have decided they are not going to bother it's not laziness it's bad choices and long standing apathy and as much as people died for our democratic right to vote they died for people to choose not too as well. As for writing "none of the above" it sounds good but all it ends up being is a spoilt vote no one will be declaring that X% voted none of the above and until it is an official option on the vote it's just a waste of time and energy.
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If I can't find my polling card what do I need to take with me?
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Just tell the people at the desk your name and address and they will find you on the electoral register – and hand you your ballot paper. ID means a utility bill , bank statement , driving license , passport |
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Oh come on Osem they only care about the number of official votes we have had numerous governments elected with a minority of the voting population supporting them. Now start a campaign to have "none of the above" included and officially recognised and I'm right there with you but a spoilt vote under the currant system is nothing meaningful.
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I was seriously for the first time voting Tory:sick:
But my Tory MP voted against gay marriage, and as my niece has just come out, I cannot morally vote for him. I believe that only Labour & Tories are the only parties to vote for (in England), others are a wasted vote. I only hope when I wake up tomorrow the SNP leader losses her seat and deposit. |
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ICM's head pollster seems to think they've gotten their poll wrong.
---------- Post added at 21:44 ---------- Previous post was at 21:41 ---------- Screw it though, sticking with Tories at 80 seat majority. ---------- Post added at 22:00 ---------- Previous post was at 21:44 ---------- Hung Parliament!! ---------- Post added at 22:02 ---------- Previous post was at 22:00 ---------- It's quite clear this country just likes throwing spanners in the works |
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hung parliament predicted if labour had different leader would have walked it
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Damn, this is a disaster, the UK is screwed with Corbyn in power.
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The CF exit poll seems to be a bit off the mark. There should be an inquiry.
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so much for the nasty party landslide
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It will be interesting to see if the poll is more accurate this time
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If this exit poll is true and that is a very big if then this has been one very bad call by Theresa May to call a general election
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I'm hoping the polls are as accurate as usual lately because we need a single strong party to get us through brexit without it costing us disproportionately and that isn't labour or the lib dems. I have been surprised at how slack the tory campaign was it was almost as if they just took it for granted victory was theirs and didn't bother. We have a new guy standing for the tories in my town and no one has seen him or knows much about him beyond a paragraph on a pretty pathetic leaflet that was left on the doorstep.
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Exit polls have usually been close to the result with the exception of 1992. But even if the exit poll has gotten this wrong by 20 or so seats and they maintain a narrow majority May is in trouble.
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Oh fgs 1andrew1 give it a rest you've been predicting doom every step and none of it has happened and economic wise being able to once again freely trade with who we choose and how we choose has the potential to boost our economy. Brexit does not automatically mean economic ruin no matter how times you repeat it and if your so certain and believe so much in the EU let us know when your leaving the UK to go to your EU utopia and I'll turn up to wave you off.
May certainly hasn't given even the slightest appearence of really wanting this and it does beg the question why and if it comes out that the conservatives deliberately hampered their election campaign the backlash is not going to be pretty trouble is we have no real practical alternative that is even close to competent. |
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If the exit poll is right it's pure chaos, no one can form a majority government here.
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Latest Exit Poll ;
CON 314, LAB 266, SNP 34, LD 14, UKIP 0, Plaid Cymru 3, Green 1, Others 18 |
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Lib Dems holding firm on holding no pact, no coalition with either Labour or Tories.
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She has made a right screw up.
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Pound has fallen sharply against Dollar.
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It's madness. Again. No matter what happens, unless the poll is really wrong, then any possible government is quite weak. Maybe another election. |
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Well what are the odds on another general election in the next few months?
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The nats will certainly be more diminished after tonight methinks.:)
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Well, I was worried at 10pm but far happier at 11pm. There's no way the exit poll is correct with a swing TO the Tories like that in Sunderland.
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Looking at Sunderland, basically the UKIPs moved to voting Conservative.
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Amber Rudd could possibly lose her seat in Hastings.
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Apparently Postal Voting explains the difference between the Exit Polls and what's actually happening.
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Yep ... pollsters starting to cover their ar$es ...
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It's all gone very quiet here ;). Well done the young, looks like they've finally come out and voted.
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SNP have lost "Angus" to the Conservatives.
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Another Tory Gain from SNP Ochil and Perthshire South.
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Ochil and South Perthshire goes from Nat to Tory as well. :D
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Tories Gain Southport from Lib Dems.
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The BBC is now projecting 322 for the Tories which is one short of a majority. I still think they will scrape home, but if they are short, it looks like they're close enough to be able to lean on the DUP. Who, let's not forget, are almost as Brexitty as UKIP. :D
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The Tories are chasing hard to win Perthshire North from the SNP, which is now being recounted for the second time.
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East Renfrewshire has gone Tory. This is fantastic.
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And East Dunbartonshire has returned to the Lib Dems. I'm pleased about that, Jo Swinson seems nice. She was the MP here before 2015.
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Well looks like the young un's have got the revenge they wanted over the EU referendum.
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Nick Clegg OUT. Lost seat to Labour.
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Well I'm starting to think the only way theresa may could have thrown this election away more then she has is by campaigning with a red rosette and right now I'm pretty angry both at the way she handled this campaign which for someone with her experience was utterly pathetic and the fact that talk of boris for leader is back.
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Yep, I am shocked at how awful she has been. One thing is for sure she won't be leader of the Tory party at the 2022 election. Tories are brutal with their leaders. I wonder what odds you'd get on her still being in charge 12 months from now.
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Ben Gummer out in Ipswich.
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Tories Gain Ayr from SNP.
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