8 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

A white van has hit people on the bridge, with reports of people being knocked into the water, and police boats searching the river.

10+ on the south side being reported as injured at the moment.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

http://news.sky.com/story/live-armed...ident-10903581

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Terrible news

Van hits pedestrians' on London Bridge in 'major incident
 

There are reports coming in of an incident on London Bridge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

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Seems to be massively conflicting reports at the minute. The numbers are all over the place in desperation of 'News' companies to get something out. Media embarrasses me sometimes.

Getting everything from 5 to 25 people at the minute with stabbings and shootings.

Thanks to the various conflicting sources don't know what's actually true and what's not.

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Sky is reporting gunfire.

I guess the armed response unit is on scene

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I'm really hoping this is just a drunk driver and that anyone hit by this is ok.

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It seems the van mounting the pavement and hitting several people is verified.

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Southwark Bridge also been shut.

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It isn't just a drunk driver looking like another terrorist attack i hope fatalities are low and the injured a speedy recovery.

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Reports are all over the place, some quite horrific. Stabbings/gunfire etc.

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A BBC reporter saw the van hit people, miss her, then hit more people. She later saw a man being arrested.

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Sky have just reported knife attack

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They've been reporting that since the start. Based on a witness report to Reuters. That's what I mean. Everyone is reporting bits and pieces of it unverified over several sources. Be a while before this unravels and we get the events.

Event at Borough Market confirmed. Damien can verify that spelling.

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Something else has happened or is happening in Borough Market (it's just next to London Bridge and would also explain why Southwark Bridge is closed). Seems more than one person.

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It would then seem the arrest was one and that would explains gunshots for a separate suspect. - Not verified. Just a thought.

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Two of the people who the BBC put on air work for the BBC, one was on London Bridge, another was in a Basement of a restaurant, that was evacuated.

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3 suspects according to the BBC

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Third incident confirmed.

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Reports about incident in Vauxhall coming in

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By whom?

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We need a major law change, all terrorists and those aiding them should get a mandatory whole life sentence.

get a prison ship and put it out to sea.

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BBC

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Police/BBC. It's on BBC1 right now.

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'Fatalities' after central London vehicle and stabbing incidents.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916

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Things do need to change and quickly but that's a debate for later for now concentrate on the victims and any **** cowards there might still be before they create more victims.

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I'm there now...

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Now confirmed by police as terrorists incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market, but not Vauxhall.

Armed police entering bars in the area and ordering people under the tables for safety after terrorists were walking into bars and attacking people. I wonder if, because of their warped religeous beliefs, they were singling out people drinking/selling alcohol??

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Are you somewhere safe?

Edit: Police are still telling people to avoid the area, so it's not over yet (Vauxhall Station has now reopened to get people home).

Multiple people dead, with one eyewitness claiming that a terrorist entered a bar and stabbed a 17 year old to death. Other eyewitnesses say that they are too upset to talk about what they've seen, but that it is the worst thing that they have ever seen.

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In my car, I was actually supposed to be on Southwark Bridge at nine but didn't fancy it that early. I'm in wapping now, on my way to camberwell.

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And then sink it

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That's good to hear.

There's now the problem of police telling people to clear the area, but some have been kicked out of various venues, there are no buses or trains and taxis are not going into the area.

Some have set off on foot, but have been told that they may be in danger by doing this as the terrorists are still out there.

What on Earth are they supposed to do?

Don't forget that a lot will be drunk and will have left their cars at home.

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I've never been a hateful person but I'm starting to get that way and am sick of these attacks by cowards on innocent civilians.

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Just woken up this morning to this terrible appalling news.:(

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The police had them all killed within 10 minutes of the attack starting, that's impressive work.

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Pure evil .. I want to know who in the UK is behind the brainwashing of these losers. These are the people we need to take out: send them to Syria, take away their passports and let them revel in their medieval society.

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Several things now need to be done.

1. Support the armed police 110%, even if they shot a person in error.

2. Question anyone who returns from certain countries, even if they come via indirect routes.

3. Any British born found quilt it is treated as treason.

4. Anyone found guilty is given a whole life sentence.

5. Anyone who supports these terrorists is also given a whole life sentence.

6. All there assets are seized and used to fund fights terrorism.

7. A new maximum security prison needs to be built, in a remote locations, all visitors are searched and they have the US prison visiting style system where you face them through glass and talk via a phone.

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We need to find a way to address how people become radicalised. It doesn't matter what punishments await them because they're willing, even wanting, to die for the cause. I also can't see an effective prevention strategy for someone who can get a car and drive it into people.

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Well you could put some bollards at spaced gaps on all bridges, and key locations.

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Certainly although we can't do that everywhere. There is always only so much we can do sadly.

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Cardiff city centre had bollards and anti-truck barriers all over the place for days due to the match yesterday. OK, a necessary tactic in these sad days, but the city went in to total gridlock every day because of them.

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There's no easy way to combat this problem, toes will have to be stepped on, people will have to be offended.

Saying that, I honestly believe the problem has been left to fester for far too long, and no matter what we do, things are going to get far more intense than what we've seen over the past few years.

Damned if we do, damned if we don't.

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Better than killed if we do, killed if we don't.

These **** don't care what we do, or what we believe, they just want to kill us because some ultra **** are telling them to do so.

And locking them up is not an answer. Neither is talking to them.

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I agree, it's better to take action than it is not to. Either way, it's going to get extremely ugly.

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We have a few thousand people regarded as suspicious living in the UK, but we cannot keep tabs on them all. For this reason, I thnk an internment camp needs to be set up, and all those on the 'dangerous' list need to be rounded up for the security forces to interrogate and deal with appropriately.

It's a shame it has come to this, but sadly I see no realistic alternative. Most Muslims are good people, but if the Government is not seen to be taking decisive action, the population will turn on those innocent people. This must not be allowed to happen.

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Re: My earlier comment about the victims drinking alcohol.

These terrorists are supposed to be such fanatical Muslims, yet they had been drinking alcohol in the van beforehand.

A lot of them are hypocritical​ though eg they don't believe in alcohol but will sell it. It's the equivalent of selling drugs whilst spouting on about how wrong it is to take drugs.

The majority of them that I've met seem to be obsessed with money to varying degrees, often to a ridiculous extent. Again, the Koran preaches against materialism.

Asians in general in Britain do have a reputation for arguing over pennies, yet I've met travellers who have met those in their own countries with nothing- yet have shared what little they have with hungry and weary travellers.

There is evidence that some Sikhs have helped those in need in this country too.

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You shouldn't be surprised about these people drinking alcohol, Richard. They are not actually Muslims, as they like to claim. They are just vicious, cold blooded murderers who will seek out any excuse to act out their violent fantasies. Radical Islamism is as good as any.

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I'd put the bollards on pavements on bridges and long pavement stretches.

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Who just happen to be Muslims.:confused:

How many individuals or especially groups of non-Muslims act in that way?

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11 killed https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nix/313673001/

2 killed, 8 wounded https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ing/101418884/

8 dead http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/0...165659989.html

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Still no actions by GROUPS other than gang related. The 2 other cases have violent trigger incidents.
Nothing comparable.

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In like of these recent evenst, this looks very disturbing:

'Sensitive' UK terror funding inquiry may never be published

This is where we need the focus: stop the Saudi funding on UK mosques so we stop them spreading their pernicious and medieval world view ..

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That pernicious view takes hold because the religion is so easy to misrepresent and a growing number of muslims here support a more radical style of islam the money may make things easier but getting rid of the money will at best slow things down but will not resolve the problem.

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They may claim to be Muslims, but true Muslims would not behave like these savages did. They are simply using Islam as an 'excuse' for their behaviour, not that it is. Islam is a peaceful religion.

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You asked I apologise if the facts don't agree with your viewpoint...

http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

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I agree. This is a long and drawn out process but at the heart of this radicalisation are the evil teachers. They who prey on the simple minded and impressionable. Let's start with them ..

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Theresa may talked about eliminating the safe spaces that allow radicalisation of our youth and while the internet is certainly one of them the biggest safe space in the UK are the mosques. The imans don't stop the radicals and they don't shut them down once they start the radicalisation process and that's one of the biggest problems as places of worship have traditionally been places we do not conduct surveillance. There needs to be a massive change in approach and attitude in relation to islam in the UK as right now it's a fertile breeding ground with increasing numbers of radicals and a non radical section that rarely does anything practical to counter the radicals preferring to keep silent and in some cases adopting a harder view of islam.

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You are correct here up to a point. By saying that these acts are just comparable to other non-Islamist crimes can give credence to the position that Islam is no different to the other world religions and as such, does not have a specific issue re: religious terrorism.

This is patently not the case. Islamic terrorism is a serious dilemma that the Muslim community has to grapple with.

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I totally agree and the point I was making earlier (obviously badly) that the cuts in community policing only goes to weaken our ability to detect and suppress these "breeding grounds" of Islamic jihadism.

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Indeed. I am very happy to pay more tax to reverse the cuts to policing, stop hospitals closing etc.

That's after the likes of Atos, Capita etc who don't pay any tax at all, despite taking millions from the British taxpayer.

Some have called for internment, whilst I'm tempted to agree (especially if this turns out to be a fortnightly occurrence), ISTR that this made things worse in Northern Ireland (could be wrong though).

Can anyone remember what happened when it was tried in NI, so that we can compare?

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How many involved groups but were not gang related? How many attacks by individuals were non-specific type of targets often arising about a specific disagreement?

How many not carried out by Muslims, were planned in advance and serving a common purpose?

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Is it? Tell me, in your opinion, would it be a bad idea for me to post a cartoon of mohammed on FB? If so, why?

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I don't like to say this. But we should take the same stance as Donald Trump. We have to take an stand bar on who comes into the UK.

And l totally blame ALL politicians, for allowing this to happen. Over the past ten years, we have had figures of 100.000 migrants coming into the UK, either through ships, dingy Lorries anything. And the total border control guards. They have been cut drastically.

We have stupid Theresa May saying today, that we have to change tactics against terrorists. How can you, they are already here now. Thanks to the severe cuts that have been brought. I work with Law enforcement. And officers from ALL over London were drafted into area last night. And remember that this is the SECOND attack, in THREE areas of London.

Today, silly Kay Burley from Sky spoke to a Retired Fed rep, and asked stupid questions about the officers that were there. The reps reply was that these officers had there rest days, annual leave cancelled due to this. And some of them had already completed the normal shift.

The overstretched emergency services deserve our full support, in there actions last night

And remember, EVERY service last night has had severe cut to it. And the Tories are going to cut the police by ANOTHER 4.000 pc's by 2020

IF, we get hit by another act of terrorism attack. Then, l don't like to say it. They could strike in more than ONE CITY at the same time.

What we have to do is very simply.
1) close all borders to ALL countries - UNTIL they go through thorough checks.

2) IF, you have committed a crime in another country, you will NOT BE ALLOWED INTO THIS COUNTRY

3) IF you commit a crime in this Country, you get sent straight back to your country. NO MATTER WHAT.

4) we hear sob stories that that, whether its a man or woman, or children. Will be tortured in that country. Doesn't matter, you go back.

We have to protect our own citizens, then so be it.

This anger some members. But l am totally fed up with do gooders, who say out them before a court.

You tell that to the people that have lost family members.

I don't mind paying an extra 1 or 2p in tax if we can recruit more emergency staff. For too long ANY government that is in power that states we cannot afford it. Well stop overseas aid. That will do the job

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Arthur, you seem to conclude that these terrorists are all foreign born so we can "ban" them, why is this?

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While the attackers maybe home grown the start of the radicalisation process is usually started by visiting imans and elders the old brigade happy to send the young off to die for their cause. Also a lot of the technical attack information and training process comes from visitors, the joke is most of the time we know the wrong ones and let them in anyway because it's become our default response to do nothing that might offend muslims. It's time for us in the UK to do more then talk about our values and the worth of society and country and start showing anyone that wants to come here that they have to deserve a place in our society and that they must adapt and integrate into our society and earn the many benefits of life in the UK.

For too long we have attached little practical value to what we have here and that's made it easier for the cowards to come here.

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Aren't they mostly radicalised via the internet? It would be reasonably easy to track suspects if they all went to a specific mosque.

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After a certain point it can be done online but most of the time it starts in the mosques by charismatic figures and completes online in some cases but not all mosques are the breeding ground.

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from the concert in Manchester...

https://streamable.com/w3pxr

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I totally agree. It may cause diplomatic and business problems but that's a small price to pay compared to those who paid with their lives in London and Manchester.

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we really need to stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia for a start

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Why do you think this? There have been numerous groups and hate preachers operating in this country in the recent past.

Do you suppose they have all disappeared? If there are Mosques funded by Wahhabi monies then these do present a real & present danger.

List of UK Mosques:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...United_Kingdom

Note the number of Deobandi influenced:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deobandi

A worrying trend ...

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The internet is a part of it but to pretend it's the whole is just continuing the very mindset that's got us where we are and those in power have to start accepting that our traditional view of places of worship is not applicable to all mosques. While the majority of Muslims don't take part in violent acts a growing number have more sympathy with those that do then they have with the victims of these attacks and that's no longer acceptable or at least it shouldn't be. Islam in it's current form is not compatible with western society and there is absolutely no chance of the faith altering or evolving to fit into western society like most other religions have.

This is dodgy ground for me as an atheist and I'd be far more comfortable if this was politically motivated but it isn't the violence and the faith are completely intertwined and I'm getting tired of seeing innocent civilians here and on mainland europe dead on pavements in the name of religion.

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Shots fired in Dagenham now

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Prisons are the breeding ground imo, it'll take cash to sort it and we have shown already we're not prepared to spend it

Those shots might have been the sound of doors being kicked in, apparently...

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:confused: Do you mean Qatar?

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Dave's correct - Saudi Arabia, see ianch99's post re the Saudi-funded Deobandi mosques.

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Just reading some of the replies here seems to indicate that the terror tactics are working.

(I want to try to keep this fairly neutral as it can apply to any group.)

We should never give up our freedoms that have been fought for and over for so long. Neither should we join those hate filled people in their hate. The more we try to "clamp down" the more ammunition we give to them on how our country suppresses their "rights" and "freedoms" and how "ordinary people" need to rise up and help.

And then how do you know that "your group" won't get "targetted" because of some similarity makes you "the same" and "just in case".

I've mentioned before that a Muslim will see any attack against another Muslim by non-Muslims as an attack on all Muslims and will put aside many differences to join in defending/attacking. So it may not be as easy as simply identifying radical teachers, it is something more central to the culture than that.

From a Christian point of view we need to "love our enemies". Now that is not to say we do not punish those guilty of crime but we leave that to the courts. At an individual level though we don't need to take on that burden of hate and revenge.

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I think that you need to clarify what you specifically mean by "clamp down" and "attack". Your post is too ambiguous to apply to any specific context.

If you mean "clamp down" is to deny citizens the ability to enjoy the hard won freedoms of this pluralist society that you are 100% correct. However, if you mean the Government should not attempt to prevent Immans, Preachers, Activists, etc. whose goal is to pervert the minds of the young & impressionable then I would disagree with you.

There is a fine but important line to be drawn between reactions that punish the Muslim community as a whole where the vast majority abhor this behaviour and those actions that are targeted at the radicals.

We need total clarity on who the Government is targeting. This message should be writ large and clear in the media and leaders of the Muslim community should be active participants and more importantly should be seen to be active participants.

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Indeed. What does that say about the 45% of British based Muslims who are attending those mosques? We are constantly told that radical muslims are 'a tiny minority' of the total. How does that mesh with the information above?

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Suddenly, Trumps approach doesn't seem all that bad.....:(

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I believe it's clear from the context of his post he means the former. We obviously need to clamp down on radicalisation and extremism but we should perverse our own freedoms whilst doing so, i.e I don't think we should ban end-to-end encryption or force companies to build a 'back door' in.

He is certainly right we should not give the terrorists the war they want. They broadly want to provoke a clash of civilizations and turn this into the West vs them. There are of course some Britain First types who want such a war as well.

I'm not sure what the answer is ultimately but for all the tough talk from some I don't think I am alone in that. It's also a problem elsewhere. After all there have been far-right attacks that seem to have, in part, been inspired from the Internet as well.

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There are those on both sides who would love this to turn into a wider war and that's the last thing i want to see i do not want to trade civilian dead on our streets for military deaths overseas or civilian dead in the middle east. We are to blame a bit Blair's actions heightened tensions and undoubtedly helped in recruitment but that's not an excuse or even a reason to attack as they are. This is a new form of hostilities where our traditional values in the west are being used against us to aid those **** that would continue attacking and we have to look at how we can adapt and if needed change that in relation to this minority of violent attackers.

Yes it is a minority commiting these attacks but they have broader support within the islamic communities and that support has grown despite all efforts to address that. There is no magic bullet here no single measure that's going to resolve this and we need to work with the islamic community but they need to realise they cannot continue as they have previously. It's no longer acceptable that all the effort for change is on our side there needs to be change within islam in the west and they need to do more then just go in front of cameras after an attack with condemnation that lasts only as long as the camera is on and have a different stance when they go back to their mosque.

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Well we know the Manchester bomber was reported, multiple times, from within the community. They raised concerns after he protested against a sermon in a Mosque arguing against jihad. Although we are waiting for more information about Saturday's attackers it's reported one of them was reported multiple times as well. So they're doing more than condemning it in front of cameras.

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I agree: banning end-to-end encryption and/or introducing NSA-style "back doors" would be a disaster for all sort of reasons not least that these "secret & secure" Government access paths invariably get leaked and so get used by the hacking & malware criminals against us.

If you listened to the Sam Harris podcast I posted a while back, in which he analyses the ISIS on-line news feeds and concludes that they don't actually care that we did or did not bomb their lands (although they do use this as fuel in their radicalisation process). They hate us because of what and who we are. We can stop bombing in Syria, etc. and they will still hate us.

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A very very tiny minority report but a larger group do nothing and support the attackers and we clearly cannot rely on that, yes he was reported to police and security services that are overloaded because the number of people on watchlists is outstripping the resources to watch them. The answer isn't the usual easy way of throwing more money at it or even more personnel we have a number of people on the watchlist that are not UK citizens rather then wait to see we should simply cancel their documents and deport them decreasing the numbers and removing a part of the threat.

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I disagree. Trump approach is to daemonise all Muslims for actions of a very small minority. This is doing the work of ISIS for them. The path only leads to more racial tension esp. in the US where, ironically given their origins, a lot of Americans seem to currently have an intolerant & fearful attitude to Muslims (both US born and migrants).

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Is there evidence for that?

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No its just exaggeration of the facts being distorted to suit ones own views and opinions..

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Maajid Nawaz has some good thoughts on combating this evil:

Maajid Nawaz: Stop Saying Violence Has Nothing To Do With Islam

Maajid Nawaz's Four-Point Plan To Defeat Islamist Terrorists

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It's what i hear from others that most intelligence on islamic threats comes from electronic surveillance with a very small amount coming from within the community itself. The code of not informing on a fellow muslim is very strong and while some mosques are working with authorities again the majority are not. Biggest problem i have in this debate is I can't discuss how or where or from whom i get information and some of it is also reinforced by my own experience. My number one concern is for the safety of both this country and it's citizens regardless of race, colour, culture or religion and that's it so if you can find any post from me that's​ appropriate to your comment Denphone then link to it.

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Totally agree - however, I was not comparing them, I was pointing out that other mass killings by individuals had happened that were not Islamic terrorist related (which the OP said wasn't the case).

Here is another one from today.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...605-story.html

I think we need to start treating those individuals and institutions within our countries inciting others to commit terrorism as terrorists - it will be difficult to balance the line between free speech and inciting terrorism, but some of the comments made are obviously inciting terrorism, so get those "low hanging fruit" first.

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iirc, he was simply trying to temporarily halt travel from some states for a while. Seems it's ok for Saudi et al to do the same to Quatar today but it's not ok for the USA or UK to do something similar. Is it 'cos we is white?

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I agree but isn't it already a criminal offence?

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Certainly is Damien.

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Ian Reading

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A very good article from the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation at King's College, London, on how people are radicalised. Worth reading in full, this section is particularly pertinent.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40161333

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Diane Abbott did a bit of a car crash interview on Skynews tonight. Dermot asking her stuff on a Terror Report written by Lord Toby Harris, that was commissioned back in Oct 2016. She claimed she has read it but when asked on specifics, she did not have a bloody clue.

But when Dermot was asking about the recommendations in the report about putting Barricades up, that were finally put on the main London Bridges in last 24 hours following Sat Terror Attack, she was questioning why London Mayor who is her IRAbour colleague, Sadiq Khan, why he had not done this after the Westminster attack back in March.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GuidoFawk...15910104936448

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The answer she could have given for the barriers is that it falls under the remit of the Home Office (her prospective department!) but she is terrible at this. Labour have so few people competent in front of cameras at the moment, all the professionals are keeping their hand down until after the election. Although double checking the report they also recommend individual local authorities consider permanent, retractable, ones in some areas.

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Good god, the thought of that moron running the home office, scares me!

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Why are you insulting the Major of London? He does not support the IRA.

Also, why keep up this name calling? I think we can all agree your point has been made many times now. If we all endlessly made the same point in every post, we would just end up annoying people and lose sight of the real debate.

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Indeed, there have been many examples of people being pulled up for changing the odd character in Virgin Media or Sky in fact I even think there's a section in the FAQ's somewhere about using correct names for companies, products or people.

Eg:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...24&postcount=3
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...php?p=35295115

I know changing the name of a political party isn't the same thing but surely the spirit of the above links should apply.

Cheers

Dave

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

I don't see you criticising your buddy, 1andrew1 who has used Mayhem in one of his posts earlier, to represent Theresa May. So less of the double standards because it doesn't suit your narrative. :rolleyes:

Now back on topic.

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

What do you have to do to be watched these days, I'd say being banned from the mosque, being reported to the authorities twice and staring in a tv show about being a terrorist would guarantee it but clearly not so what is the criteria to get noticed then

Never ones to miss the opportunity to whine the poxy cycling extremists are at it except no one is listening at the moment

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/372553...teel-barriers/

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

There are no double standards and I am on topic. You are misrepresenting the Mayor London in his response to the terror attacks. You are implying he supports the IRA, where is your evidence?

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Yeah, I cannot see the difference here either. I best shut up now or I will get in trouble (again) :)

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

Indeed. It's all rather odd :confused:

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

Maybe they thought he was an attention seeker? In some ways putting yourself on television would not be standard behavior from a possible terrorist.

Re: 7 Dead and 48 Injured in London Bridge Terror Attack
 

Wrong, I did no such thing. I just refused to call a certain party by its real name because it has become a joke party that will have IRA Terrorist Sympathisers at the helm. No-where in that sentence did I say Khan supported them.