Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-cor...in-uk-10893243

If Corbyn had his way. He would totally ignore the terrorism that is happening now, and ask for talks to prevent the barbaric actions being carried out on our shores.

Maybe if Cobyn said that we would STOP all Immigration until our shores are safe. Maybe it would be better.

What has happened in Manchester is sick *******, that want to create the most carnage possible and kill innocent people, who just went out an enjoy a great day.

What l believe should have happen, Is to BAN all persons entering the UK. Until security services know who they are.

The biggest problem we have is that is too late. I have said long again on this forum. Is that we have had loads of people from overseas, plus illegals that have entered these shores.

Its no good MPs from all parties saying that we should stem Immigration to 100.000. Anyone of the persons that have entered this Country COULD be a terrorist, through lack of border controls searches.

Theresa May should ordered a total ban NOW. on anyone who enters this country with a foreign passport. Until they have been thoroughly checked.

Biggest problem with Corbyn, he doesn't like getting involved in wars. He would rather talk to assassins, terrorists and try and sort the problem out.

Sorry Jeremy, it needs Action NOW

My heart, and prayers go to all the victims families in horrendous crimes. We must remain strong, and vigilant AT ALL TIMES

MODERATOR, l have already changed a certain word - trust you understand

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How would stopping immigration have prevented this attack, yet again it's a homegrown loser, imo we need to get the prisons sorted and perhaps shut down some of the worst mosques the ones that may have been founded with Saudi money for instance.

https://www.ft.com/content/5d67bf24-...6-896b95f30f58

Also I think corbyn is right, we wouldn't be getting attacked now if it weren't for our foreign policy but then let's also not forget why we got involved in these foreign misadventures in the first place, that said corbyn shouldn't have said this now imo, it was not needed

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This shows that allowing ANY Muslim into the country will ultimately result in terrorism or other violent acts. Whether by other members of the family, existing or new, or by non-Muslims being "infected" and converted by Muslims already here, eg in Lee Rigby case,Michael Adeboljao came from a Christian family.

And in how many other cases has there been in areas with no Western involvement? How many cases took place LONG BEFORE any Western involvement?

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Arthur you are completely wrong. We have to talk to those who would rather kill us like we did with the IRA.The west have brought all this all upon themselves by continually poking our noses in only where we might get some access to oil or whatever other resources..we need to be mediators not warmongers. We should defend ourselves when attacked but we shouldn't be getting actively involved in other countries disputes except to offer humanitarian aid and the chance to talk for a peaceful settlement between parties. In hindsight don't you think we should never have gone into Afghanistan or Iraq? We have interfered to the extent that we left a void for such groups to find grievances and that is where Corbyn has got it right..we should never have gone along with the US in this.

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The IRA had an objective that we could negotiate around, the product of which was the power sharing solution we have in Northern Ireland today.

Islamic radicals have no such objective, their destination is complete Islamicfication of the world.

Good luck negotiating with that.

We were totally justified going into Afghanistan, it was a UN operation, there was irrefutable evidence that it was the base for al Qaeda. We should have gone into Afghanistan 100% wiped out the Taliban and Al Qaeda. But we didn't we took our foot off it and turned to Iraq. This meant that the Taliban and Al qaeda were able to regroup.

Going into Iraq was 100% the wrong thing to do. The evidence was always suspect and it was well known that Saddam and Al Qaeda were not allies.

On the other hand the worlds in-action to intervene in Syria is to our shame. Here the UN is seen for what it is, a talking shop.

The setting up of UN safe zones in Syria would have helped ease the migrant flow and saved lives.

As Iraqi forces beat back IS from their country and hopefully secure their country. That will then just leave Syria.

I'm afraid that country will just continue to burn.

Ideally it should be declared a failed state, Assad should be removed, a UN force sent in to secure the country. The Country should then be rebuilt and a new government put in place.

But Russia will not agree to it so it won't happen.

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And now the chickens have come home to roost..and we are where we are because we keep getting involved.We need less reliance on what we can get from the middle east in regards to energy resources which will give us a better place to negotiate from.

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The common factor is that Corbyn and the Left SUPPORT the terrorist activities. It gives them the belief that they could win. Would they bother, unless they believe there is a genuine chance of winning and that they have sufficient support?

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Negotiate with terrorists? Give them what they want, so they do more of what they do.

And no we have not brought this on ourselves at all, 22 people including children did not die because we have brought this on ourselves. Rubbish.

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You can't negotiate with an ideology that changes depending on who you are talking to.

Neither can you eradicate it 100%, as just one person can be the seed to make it spread again.

But you can decimate any you find that support it, but that would be fodder for lawyers and politicians. And what are many of our politicians? Bl**dy lawyers...

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Corbyn just can't switch out of maverick backbencher mode. Can anyone seriously imagine him representing or negotiating on behalf of the UK internationally? He's a clown and a very dangerous one.

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Unfortunately many will vote for Labour to swing UK life back away from Tory austerity and the vicious attacks on the poor, disabled and unemployed.

And that will put the country more in debt, so the Tories will get reelected.

This is the way of the 2 Party system. :(

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I agree he is nuts and a traitor. He would be among those i would put against the wall if i had my way.

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Agreed i trust Boris more that Corbyn.

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I just listened to his pronouncements on what labour would do with increasing police numbers, not deploying troops unless in dire need etc and it all sounded very reasonable. The kind of stuff I'd hope and expect the tories to say. :(

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If we get involved in foreign affairs we are wrong but if we don't get involved we are slammed by the same bleeding hearts that criticise us for getting involved it's the perfect example of how screwed up we are in the west. There is no negotiating with islamic extremists their goal is the complete eradication of the west and for there to be a global islamic rule nothing short of that oh sure they will play nice with us to get us off their backs while they attack elsewhere building up the resources and personnel for the war with the west but that's it. We either go all in on this and find them wherever they are and kill them or we pull up the drawbridge in the west watch as the rest of the world falls and wake up one morning all on our own with the enemy at our door.

As long as we keep trying to negotiate and reasonably approach this we will continue to bury our citizens as attack after attack hits us not how i want the future for my kids or anyone elses.

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There's myriad victims of Islamic extremism all over the world who've had nothing to do with wars in the middle east or the persecution of Muslims. Many of the victims of ISIS and the like have been aid workers trying to help Muslims FGS. So far as ISIS are concerned, though, they just happen to be the wrong sort of Muslims...

The fact is that Islamic extremism will use any excuse to justify its aims and sink to whatever depths of evil are necessary to achieve them. If anyone thinks you can negotiate or even reason with such people they're as nuts as Corbyn is.

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An example today
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40059307

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l don't trust neither as they both idiots with a capital C.

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If Corbyn gets in to No. 10, kiss goodbye to N. Ireland, Wales, Scotland, Gibraltar and The Falklands.

His appeasing temperament means he would just get trampled over

Not to mention Putin thinking his Christmas has come early. :rolleyes:

And with racist Abbott as Home Secretary, she would initiate her hatred against White people.

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I think Corbyn does subscribe to the idea the West is the worst aggressor and as such he has found himself on the wrong side of many issues. Also ISIS aren't going to be receptive to talking, they want complete destruction.

But is anything he said today that controversial? He didn't say Britain was to blame but that we should look if our foreign policy makes the situation worse which isn't an unreasonable argument.

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I don't disagree with all he said but I just cannot stand the man and I despise him even more for his sympathy towards the IRA back in the 80s and 90s. I was in my 20s when the IRA bombed Manchester back in 1996, even though there was no loss of life, it was still an assault on my city.

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So how many of these extra police would be armed officers? Answer : None. As it is because of the Left, Police officers don't want to join the armed sections.

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Our foreign policy leaves the world where it is - who's to say whether things would have been better (or even worse) had our foreign policy been different. A nation which lets others determine its foreign policy isn't a nation so what concessions is the idiot Corbyn prepared to offer? No concessions will be enough for the likes of ISIS so where would that leave Corbyn at the head of the UK?

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Lee Rigby's other killer is a lot better example of what we're up against, in trouble with gangs and the law etc and their the types the hate preachers target not Adeboljao who went to a non religious school with few muslims living in the area, what ever turned him he's the exception to the rule

You know we're negotiating with elements of the taliban right now, it used to be what this country excelled at, exploiting our enemies weakness and undermining their alliances, now we can't even manage to negotiate with the poxy eu without getting the brown end of the stick.

What good would it do to increase police numbers other than to make people feel a bit better, far better to have more intelligence operatives monitoring people and retaining more prison officers, just my opinion.

Sounds like a fair trade to me, it's a shame about Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Falklands but if that's what it takes to get shot of the rest so be it.

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I don't think he is arguing we make concessions to ISIS but that we have a less interventionist foreign policy as recent attempts seem to have increased instability as well as providing propaganda for ISIS.

I don't actually agree with a lot of it. I think we overestimate the role we play in these matters is if there isn't a large amount of history in the region that we're ignorant of. We can't fit every problem in the world into a Western-centric view of the world. I also believe that there are consequences to not intervening, what happens in one place can come and impact us. Even if it didn't you can't in good conscience leave people to a terrible fate if you can stop it. Would Corbyn have intervened in Rwanda? Sierra Leone? Bosnia? No. That isn't a progressive, liberal or humanitarian position to take. Nor is the constant apologism for Russia as they continue to interfere in Western democracies.

But still his argument today was a reasonable position to take rather than an offensive one. A insular United Kingdom that doesn't seek to exert itself on the world stage would be a poorer one in my mind but it's a view plenty of 'normal' people hold.

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And what about him being a IRA terrorist sympathiser ?

What could possibly be a fair trade here?

Clue: There is none.

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Maggy., With all due respect to yourself. There are two major points here.

One, we could to the IRA, as it was a 'polictal party - Sinn Fein. And this is what we did. Talk.

Two. IS, is ten times WORSE than the IRA. I have read so many stories on what evil *******s have done.
Didn't they does a AMERICAN in petrol when he was alive, and gave him loads of drugs. And set fire to him. And showed these horrific events on the Internet. And didn't they take Gay men, blind fold them. Take up to the top of a church and throw them off. Behead BRITISH citizens.

Need l carry on.

Do we want Corbyn to talk to them, well good luck to whoever try. He wont come out alive.

I read an article this morning in The Sun on page 11 by Anila Baig. And her comments are correct. We have young Muslim men being targeted by IS. But she has said that Muslim parents need to stop this stranglehold on there kids. And if they want to to stick to there strong faith - they should go back to live in Islamic Countries.

What we have is where young kids are being targeted, and turned against us. And this is what is happening.

I am proud of my country, and that we live in a society where each one of us. No matter what religion, what colour. We stand together to fight these evil *******s.

Each day when l do my job, l see first hand what the emergency services have to put on a daily basis. What Corbyn has to do, is demand that the Conservatives stop the severe cuts that is happening to our NHS, Police and Fire Services.

When Manchester disaster happened. Off Duty staff from Police, NHS and Fire service went into work and helped - its called Duty of Care, and the way we are.

Sorry that l have gone on a bit. But its about time MPs from all parties, that we need these essential services and NOT to cut them

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I wasn't aware that was part of the trade of but seeing as you bring it up I tend to take media accusations like that with a heart attack inducing sized pinch of salt. I remember call me Dave saying anyone who didn't support his bombing in Syria was a terrorist sympathiser and Teddy Taylor calling for the terrorist Mandela to be shot for instance, its an easy accusation to throw about.

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We may have differing views on Trump but I am with you on Corbyn. I just don't trust him and as a fellow Mancunian I also remember the past.

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Only, it's not an accusation. Plenty of history exists with his ties to the IRA. Him refusing to condemn them, him inviting them back to Westminster at the total dismay of fellow Labour MPs, right after their bombing campaign started. He shared a platform with them and his racist ex lover, Abbott also said at the time she wanted the Brits to be defeated.

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Not sure if Malaysia was involved in any of the Middle East uprisings/revolutions/wars, but it hasn't stopped ISIS playing silly beggars there - no one is safe from these idiots.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ack-say-police

Some people just want to see the world burn - you can't negotiate with fanatics.

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Agreed and this week brought back the hurt. Walked past the spot many times where the IRA bomb went off in Manchester, nearly 21 years ago. Gives me chills thinking how much damage it caused but it thankfully not causing any deaths, this being in part to them giving a coded pre-warning before the blast, giving time for people to be evacuated. It was still one of those moments, where was you when.... ?

I remember it being fairly warm day, I was sat drinking with friends in a Pub in Grasscroft, not far from Saddleworth Moors. I think we were in the midst of Euro 96 and the news broke about the bomb.

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Politicians often have to break bread in the name of peace with people the rest of us couldn't stomach to be in the same room as, might be that's what his intention was and that might be why he was awarded that ghandi peace prize thing not so long ago.

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He played no part in the peace process, this being said by those that were involved.

He stood on a platform, with the IRA. He invited convicted terrorists for tea in parliament, weeks after Brighton bomb in 1984. He stood for a minutes silence, honouring dead IRA terrorists, killed by the British Army. He publicly spoke at Republican gatherings which worshipped the IRA. Shall I carry on ? Want to hear more valid reasons why this treacherous traitor should not be going through the doors of No. 10 ?

If it was only him that was the issue. John Mcdonnell was forced to apologise the other week for previously saying he honoured those involved in the IRA Arms struggle, that he backed the bombs and the bullets... and as already mentioned above Diane Abbott, said an IRA victory against the British State is a victory for us all....

You cannot defend these nut jobs and these folk could be in charge of our country in a fortnight. Truth be told they should not even still be MPs. :erm:

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Who is defending him? Whilst carrying on you'll eventually get to the Anglo Irish agreement which corbyn opposed and Maggie thatcher later said she made a massive mistake supporting and the story in the sun and the times about corbyn supporting financially the escape of IRA bomber Sean O'Reagen when it later transpired corbyn had actually phoned the police.

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Er, you are trying to defend him. I'm perplexed at your question, as you're asking me this and then in the same post carry on defending him, you said in one post that he is worth the trade off, if we lose Wales or Scotland or both if he becomes PM.

Then you say in another post, he wanted peace. History records totally different observations of this man and his attitude with the IRA. Traits you would not associate with someone who wants to be PM.

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And yet they attack countries that are not involved in those wars. Don't fall for the terrorists' own propaganda!

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I'm not defending him, just offering a slightly different perspective, for all I know he could be a member of the IRA, I don't know enough about him, what I do know is that several of the stories about him and terrorism are total fabrication, makes me question the rest and I didn't say him being pm was a fair trade, I said losing Gibraltar, Northern Ireland and the Falklands was a fair trade for saying good bye to Scotland and Wales.

I heard Gerry Adams say the other day that corbyn played a small but fundamentally vital role in the peace process, history is rarely written this soon after the event.

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You don't think the Iraq war was the best recruiting sargent the terrorists ever had?

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LOL, you're doing it again, say one thing, such as 'You don't know enough about him' and then say you do know enough that all these IRA stories are fabrication.

They are far from fabrication. You do not attend funerals of dead IRA Terrorists, which is what he did and then also mark a moment of silence, to 'honour' the IRA dead. He marked the silence to 'honour' them, 'honour', being his words, piece of trash that he is!

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:tu:

More excuses for some typically appalling behaviour from the leader of the Labour party. Corbyn's record speaks for itself and he's just another in a very long line of nasty lying Labour hypocrites.

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I never said all the stories are fabrication at all, I said a couple were no more than made up lies which makes me question the press motives and whether they've dressed up some of the other stories a bit to suit their agenda, there's really not much point having this discussion if you're going to keep making things up or deliberately keep misrepresenting what I've said, leave that kinda thing for the journalists.

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I have not made anything up, everything I have said about Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott has happened. Whichever way you look at it. They have very checkered pasts as IRA Terrorist Sympathisers. Such people do not belong in her Majesty's government with these kind of pasts.

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Here's Corbyn's best mate and former lover Diane Abbott explaining how 'confused' he was about whom he met.

https://order-order.com/2017/05/27/i...-diane-abbott/

Yes he did meet them but not really... :rolleyes:

More pathetic Labour nonsense.

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I never said you'd made things up about corbyn I said you'd misrepresented what I'd said about him, perhaps it's the way I'm posting. Either way it doesn't matter all I'm saying is I'm not going to rush into judgement, the press play hard and loose with Corbyn and the truth for the simple reason that they're terrified of him, if he ever gets into power these little fiefdoms three or four powerful individuals or families have built up are going to get broken up.

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... and here we have more about Corbyn and the sort of people he meets but doesn't at all sympathise with:

https://order-order.com/2017/05/28/c...cre-terrorist/

I dare say it was all a misunderstanding... :rolleyes:

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Luckily, Nick Cohen has put all of Corbyns past misdeeds together in one place for our perusal:
Why you shouldn’t vote for Jeremy Corbyn

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Apparently, if you don't have the same hairstyle from eons ago, you don't have the same views.... Wow, she is a right one that one, she has inherited a new title...

"Crooked Abbott."

But more to the point.... She would NOT answer the simple question of...'Do you regret?'

But if you also notice she said when she was pressed again...

Some ?.... :erm:

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Same old nasty hypocrisy from the usual lefty Labour suspects. These people are a disgrace to Parliament and haven't changed one iota, they just want people to think they have...

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Which mod changed the thread title....? Will be checking the logs, as I preferred Arthur's original with 'Nut job' in it. :D

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My god! She's appalling!

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And seriously less than 0.0000000000000000000000000001 % qualified to be British Home Secretary..... Imagine it, this vile woman, could be in charge of British Homeland Security.... Borders....Prisons.....MI5 (MI5 which she is completely opposed to).

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It beggars belief really. Corbyn, Abbott and McDonnell running the UK??!! :nutter:

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7759991.html
Apparently Abbott wouldn't necessarily be Home Secretary if Labour won.

As for Corbyn blaming the many conflicts we keep getting involved in for the rise in terrorism, it isn't a radical view, it's common sense. Many on the right wing also hold this view.

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But Corbyn would necessarily be PM. And that's a truly awful prospect.

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Part one point one of the blog, you know who said they'd made a massive mistake supporting the Anglo Irish agreement, Mrs Thatcher herself, no mention of that in the blog or how entrenched division became because of it, wonder why those facts were omitted.

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On that we agree, a person with no redeeming features, ugly on the inside and out

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When Abbott made the racist remark of...

'White People love to play divide and rule, We should not play their game.'

That to me, says she should have been removed as an MP, without question.

If a White person had said along similar lines, 'Black people love to...'. They would have been removed from office.

All these car crash interviews she is doing and Corbyn's weakness shows itself, because he will not get rid of her.

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The more people hear from Corbyn during this campaign, rather than the tabloid tripe, the higher Labour has risen in the polls. He may not win, but might do a lot better than predicted. Even if you don't agree with him, his views are open and honest, unlike most front line politicians in recent times.

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Open and honest? So can you explain why he told blatant lies, that he never met the IRA? (He said to Andrew Neil on Friday he never met IRA).

That when he is asked a reasonable question, he babbles on rather than giving a straight and frank answer.

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Maybe the people concerned weren't as open and honest about their affiliations.

As for babbling maybe he's preparing for Govt.? ;) He seemed to give more straight answers than the weak and wobbly Theresa in her interview ( and the more she waffles on, the closer Labour get).

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Looked at a map of the Middle East and can't find a place called "The Philippines" anywhere on it.

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You are so deeply deluded and wrong about him.
[daydream] I wish that we could let him win and get into power so that he can royally mess the country up and then we magically reset things back. Just so I can say 'I told you so, you bunch of Corbyn supporting divots' and you can hang your heads in shame at your monumental misjudgement [/daydream] :dozey:

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And the alternative is? 5 years of Brexit mayhem? Tory party fighting against itself? Winding up of the NHS? The rich getting more obscenley rich and no safety for the poor, with the end of the welfare state? Your daydream has become a nightmare. (oh, we might get Fox hunting and grammar schools back so that's progress I guess...)

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Like when he met Martin McGuinness?! :shocked:
Either he's stupid or he's lying about not knowing. Pick one.....:dozey:

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Ian Paisley and Martin McGuinness got on well, so I think we can forgive Jezza. The fact that these people chose to talk and stop fighting can only be good. Life and people aren't perfect, tomorrow is what counts

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Correct and when it comes to his supporters, well there's none so blind as those who will not see. To acknowledge his history shows them up for what they are so they remain in typical denial mode in spite of the facts.

Quiet frankly anyone who really believes that Corbyn, McDonnell and Abbott have changed their views is deluded.

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Still lean heavy on poll data don't you?

Given last few polls. Including the last GE in 2015 was way off...

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Are you serious?

The talking started too little too late after years of bloodshed. You ask the families of the victims if they can forgive and forget, those who were in the IRA and those who were sympathetic to their cause, (that's Corbyn, Abbott, McDonnell)

Given the IRA bombed my city in 1996, there is not a cat in hells chance I would vote for those with traitorous histories.

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Which is why the smug Tories are now cacking themselves, the margin of comfort has gone. The polls might have over compensated for (rightly) shy Tories, an awful lot of students have registered to vote and the pensioners aren't happy ( miserable old gits that they are ;) ). We'll see, the British public usually let me down in their stupidity if that's any comfort ;)

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Corbyn wasn't about trying to talk to the IRA to bring about a peaceful solution. That was down to Major and Blair (and others of course). Corbyn and his fellow travellers supported the IRA against the British state. They wanted a United Ireland and wanted peace on those terms and clearly supported the IRA's actions in achieving it. That is not talking.Corbyn voted against the Anglo-Irish agreement.

Major and Blair were the ones who sought a peaceful solution but did so on equal terms. There was never any question of understanding of terrorist attacks and the expectation was any attack would risk the agreement and certainly would need to be strongly condemned by all sides.

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So you also castigate John Major and Bill Clinton for speaking to 'terrorists'. If they hadn't we'd still have the IRA bombing. Those guilty of these crimes should be prosecuted, the 'amnesty' for IRA and Loyalist prisoners was as step too far imo, but talk of traitors and seeking more confrontation doesn't help.

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There you go again with your pathetic attack on democracy, as usual. :rolleyes:

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Our electoral system isn't democracy.

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Is that your educated response ? :rolleyes:

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Mick, if you support party that can't win in your constituency, there's no point in voting. It's not a great system.

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It's not perfect. But it is what it is.

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No, I don't think we can.

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So, to extrapolate if you support a party that can't win, it's pointless voting for the Labour party.

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Yes. Because that's what we voted for. You lost, get over it already Pot. kettle?Not going to happenThe more the rich earn, the more tax they pay. the top ten percent pay forty percent of all tax alreadyNot going to happenMy daydream, if you bothered to read my post, was that you get your wish, Corbyn et al drive this country into the ground and then we press the magic rewind switch to show you just how rubbish your labour party really isOn the subject of Grammar Schools: The world loves our grammar school system

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My Labour party? Not a member of the Labour party, or have ever voted Labour.
Brexit, time will tell, bit I think we've all 'lost'.
The gap between rich and poor in this country has never been greater. It isn't going to improve with this Govt.
As for Grammar schools great, but what about all the other kids?
Looking forward to the return of Fox hunting, will Sky do it on UHD? Theresa as an expert summariser on the killing?
However think we're straying from the thread subject a little...

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The gap between rich and poor will always increase if you import a load of people at the lower income end.
ALL educational ability levels perform better when taught alongside similar ability pupils.

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You miss the point.

The party is supposed to make itself electable.

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If you equate Corbyn and McDonnell meeting the IRA to support them in their struggle against the British to Major and Clinton trying to broker a peace deal.....you're an imbecile, sorry for name calling but you can't escape it.

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Imbecile? Just maybe not as blinkered and one eyed as others. The British Govt. were in constant behind the scenes negotiations with the IRA throughout the troubles.

What I do see is the right wing media and Tories, trying to use last weeks outrage to drag up something from years ago to deflect from the day to day issues and their disaster of a manifesto. People are more concerned about the NHS, social care, housing, wealth inequality and tuition fees. The mud slinging and name calling isn't working, only 6 points between the parties in the latest poll this morning. That's a record increase for a party during a campaign, the more both parties are exposed without media bias the closer they get.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

I know, but I doubt they congratulating them on a good campaign.

You seem to be unable to differentiate between negotiating with the IRA and supporting them.

Would you like me to explain it to you?

What I saw was Corbyn immediately use the Manchester outrage to blame it on the Government's foreign policy and supposed cuts to policing, when all experts will tell you the two do not equate.

I must not be the only one who is sick to the back teeth of hearing about the NHS, a behemoth of a bottomless money pit, that if you gave it the entire nations GDP it still wouldn't be enough. Hard choices and difficult changes are needed in the NHS, it is unsustainable and more money is not the answer.

Again somebody has to pay for it. If you have the assets to contribute then you should. I thought the policy was a fine example of socialism in action. The Richest pay. Don't understand why Labour are against it.

Haven't read either party's policy on this, no doubt both will promise to build more houses. As some whose partner works in the housing industry, it's less about money from central govt and more about getting the local authorities to approve schemes. The LA's moan, but they are full of nimby-ists.

We all know socialism is the politics of envy, unless it's those with their noses in the trough helping themselves. Do as I say not as I do is the mantra of the metropolitan liberal elite labourites.

I'm all for lower tuition fees, and grants. But there needs to be a rebalancing in regards to who goes to university and what they study.

Subjects should be graded, e.g. STEM subjects, Medical subjects should be highly subsidised, degrees. Arts degrees should be charged higher.

Back in the 80's only 3-5% of the population had a degree, now upwards of 25% of kids want to go to uni, it's not sustainable to fund it all. To accommodate this increase there has been a rise in sub-standard colleges and sub-standard degrees.

Still can't see anything but a Tory win. Labour won't do as bad as predicted.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

From that well-known right-wing journal, the Grauniad.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-pensions-ons http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/in...-a3523081.html

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Oops. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Mr K :D

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Yes and on the next puff choke on

https://www.ft.com/content/d56b46f6-...7-5787335499a0

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Yes, sadly that's when Labour tossed us into a recession. Cause and effect.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Really I thought it was when there was a global banking crisis, good to see two nearly three government's on labour is still getting the blame for people earning less now than then, it's almost as if the coalition and call me Dave years never happened

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

You have a funny way of showing that you aren't defending IRAbour.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

I didn't realise criticising the Conservatives is defending labour, I thought it just meant I preferred facts to conjecture, supposition and tabloid bs, so that must mean all those times I criticised bliar and called for his war crimes trial I was actually defending the tories, frightening realisation

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

UK Gov. was in constant contact with all parties in NI throughout the troubles, trying to understand where the opportunities for peace were.

Jeremy Corbyn was not in contact with all parties, he was in contact with the IRA and advocated their cause. There is a massive difference between a government willing to look for peace and a loony left Labour MP who thinks a bombing campaign is a justifiable way of over-riding the wishes of the majority of people in Northern Ireland.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Yes, Corbyn has for many decades been highly selective about whom he meets, sympathises with and chooses to support or condemn. His past is catching up with him and now he's no longer just a pathetic back bench sideshow that's quite right and proper.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

He's selective, but he's reasonably easy to predict. He'll be for whichever side is against U.K. policy (regardless of which party is in power and making that policy),

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Damn you forever for slurring comrade Corbyn!!... ;)

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

The Corbynites are out in force on social media. They sit waiting for Theresa May to post something, posting crap on her every post. They class Tory voters as lost sheep, funny really because most of the activists have changed their profile picture with a vote IRAbour border on it, whose doing the sheep following again ? ;)

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

They're idiots and hypocrisy is their stock in trade just as much as nastiness is.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Well when the news media won't give you a fair hearing what can you expect..;)

Oh BTW..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40059846

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

That is a complete cop out, Maggy.

The Media has just been as harsh on May. With her Manifesto woes.

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Not a fan of her manifesto then Mick ?? They're rare items now most of them have been pulped.

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NOW they are..But that's not been the case ever since Corbyn won the original party leader election and you know it..But you refuse to acknowledge it.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...ish-newspapers

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/...-a7144381.html

http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/resea...my-Corbyn.aspx

https://inforrm.wordpress.com/2017/0...ome-tom-mills/

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

Not read it, I really do not get the obsession this year with Manifesto's, the way IRAbour's has been presented, it's like it is the 10 commandments and their activists are like, 'read it read it, it's all costed.'

No thanks. :zzz:

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Do not tell me what I know Maggy or refuse to acknowledge, I know what I know, not you.

Corbyn should never have won the leadership election, he is not leadership material and never has been, even his PLP thought this when they won a vote of no confidence him not that long ago, he should never have won them, especially the second time round.

Thanks to Ed Miliband changing the rules on leadership elections, is why IRAbour is in this mess now and more than half it's MP's are distancing themselves from Corbyn.

Re: Jeremy Corbyn blames foreign policy for terrorism in UK
 

To be fair Corbyn did win amongst the members as well.

The mistake was the PLP putting him on the ballot in the first place for the sake of 'debate'. Their system to designed to make sure any future leader has the backing of their Parliamentary party, it was idiotic to nominate someone who wouldn't. :rolleyes: