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Greater Manchester Police confirm there are fatalities and people injured. :(
https://twitter.com/gmpolice

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Terrorist **** have hit my home city :(

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Reports of 20 dead. / Oldham Hospital on lock-down also Salford Royal locked down too.

More details on the DM site

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ter-Arena.html

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Certain idiots were just standing there in the middle of an area with people running past them trying to get away. They seemed to be videoing it and getting in the way.

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Greater Manchester Police: 19 Dead. Over 50 Injured in Possible Nail Bomb.

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My thoughts are with the people right now and nothing else till more facts are known absolutely tragic incident at a place that should have been an evening of fun for so many.

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Video of armed police surrounding a vehicle and arresting the occupant. Details still awaited. Could easily be wrong place at the wrong time.

Cordon expanded again. Hopefully just precautions.
CBS are reporting children amongst the fatalities though... Speechless at this point.

Second device possibly found. Very similar to the Russian Metro setup.

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Second device is a pile of clothes. Incredibly callous attack, mainly children in the audience, 59 injuries now to

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It will be mainly children in the audience as the performer is popular on the Nickelodeon children's channel.

Is this a new low?

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Just woke up this morning to this utterly appalling news and my thoughts and condolences go out to those who have lost loved ones in this terrible outrage.:(

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Awful, they targeted it towards children.

I saw this on the Guardian liveblog:

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I wonder if this is relevant at all?

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Nice to see how people in Manchester reacted. Hotels. bars and peoples' homes opening their doors to accommodate those stuck in the city and to have access to phones. Taxi drivers mobilising to give free rides to people out of the area. There was a NHS conference in the city and they offered to help at local hospitals.

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Terrible, terrible news - poor kids (and their families).

So proud of the people of Manchester's response to this - putting people up, giving food and drink to people stuck there, and also to the Emergency Services for all their work.

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22 dead :(

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Greater Manchester Police says a lone male attacker who was carrying an improvised explosive device died in the attack.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...losion-england

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This is why they will never defeat us - in the midst of horror, we rise up to help each other...

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Horrible hearing of parents phoning around hospitals or just searching the area for the children they haven't found yet

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I think every sane person will have the murdered and their loved ones in their thoughts and be hoping that the death toll won't rise.

The misguided **** who do this believe they will bring the worst out in people and create turmoil when in fact their actions bring out the best in society. They will never change our way of life - their worst will never defeat our best.

RIP to all the children and decent people who were murdered in Manchester.

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Perhaps they know of the 2nd bomb tactic where crowds run from one bomb straight into another?

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Probably not but it's the correct thing to do: Stay put or run the other way to the masses.

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Just had a phone call from my son. The Arndale Centre is being evacuated. I hope this is just over vigilance and not a second incident. I can't stop sobbing, so many innocent victims already.

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23 year old arrested in South Manchester

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Greater Manchester Police

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Virgin Media are making Manchester calls free

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...s/ba-p/3430700

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MI5: "Everyone at MI5 is Revolted by this disgusting attack."

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Such a horrible thing to happen on what should have been a nice night out.

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At a concert for kids for goodness sake how low can these people go.

RIP to all the victims and prayers for all who's life will never be same from this horrific cowardly attack :(

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AP News Wire: No Surprises but I.S says ones of its members carried out the attack.

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They say they carry out every attack regardless.

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A girl aged just 8 years of age has been confirmed as one of the 22 people killed so far. :(

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if this terrorist is one of those" known to the authorities " as so many seem to be then we need early intervention to stamp it out in future .

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The same name is being banded about on Twitter but it's not official and I won't share it on here.

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the thing that get me is if they are so proud to be part of ISIS show us your face, give us your name and address as i have a few million people who wanna say hi

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The police have asked people not to share names.

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What a terrible thing to happen to these young people going out to have a great time at their concert. God help them and their families.

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This has been shared 75,000 times in good faith, but Holiday Inn say that this is a misunderstanding and that there are no unaccompanied children there (even though they did help).

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I fear a Bataclan like scenario soon. I've often debated whether SIA licenced people should be permitted to carry small firearms. Tasers for SG licences and handguns for DS and CP licences with relevant training for each. I've never come to an answer though because as many reasons as I can find to have it like that I end up finding just as many coming back at it.

So I'm not really for or against such a thing, I have no answer to it. Just want to see these people get a fighting chance against these ******s.

Shouldn't even have to think about the scenario to be fair, *******s.

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Terrible Weenie. So horrible for these families. God help them.

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https://twitter.com/AP/status/867038781815345153

The AP is running it now so:

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Yep that's the same name I saw, he his from Libya.

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British born of Libyan descent is what I've heard.

Either way he is the loser who murdered innocent children.

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The death penalty would be perfect for him as he showed no mercy to his victims.

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The real sentence would have been to apprehend him first, take him out to a bomb range and detonate his vest.

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but death holds no fear to these people it's more a badge of honor to them

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Yeah, exactly.

The fitting punishment would be to keep them alive and make them face the consequences of their actions which they so cowardly avoided. Make them face the victims, the pain they caused in the unlikely hope they have a shred of empathy left to feel.

More importantly though to show them who they really are. He is not a martyr, he is not a soldier in a war and he has not scored a victory against the West. He isn't any of those things, he is a child murderer. Rarely do I agree with Trump but he is also right to call this person a loser. He should have faced trial for the multiple murder of children and adults and gone to jail for life as a murderer.

Maybe as time went on he would see the world kept moving and it would dawn on on him that all he has done with his life is murder children who had done nothing to him - or anyone else for that matter - and caused a lifetime of grief to their families. That he was just a nasty little murderer and, since he presumably believed in hell, that his 'next' life is going to be even worse.

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Personally i would not kill him, however i would get very close each and every day so he is in pain for the rest of his loser life. Loser like him should be made to feel the pain of there victims every single day for the rest of there lives.

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Being reported on news that a vigil in Birmingham for Manchester, has been interrupted by a man wielding a large knife and base ball bat, he has been arrested.

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:(

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Listening to Radio 5 Live's Anna Foster was talking to a young woman about this and you slowly heard her voice deteriorate and she broke down, Anna could be her comforting her and gave her a hug.

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I actually agreed with Donald Trump, who called these people "Loser's"

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My heart goes out to everyone caught up in this murderous act.

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God bless those who were injured or lost their lives and all of their families.

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They should bury this bombers remains inside a pig at an undisclosed location and make it known that they have done so.

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2017 Has Seen a Terror Attack Attempted in Europe Every Nine Days

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May has said this guy may still have been working with others, threat level raised to critical, military personnel will be deployed in some areas.

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The concern is that compared to recent Radical Islamic attacks this was a sophisticated nail bomb. To construct one is tricky and to construct a stable one that goes off when you want it to is even trickier and takes some skill.

This begs three questions.

1. Did the bomber build the bomb? Well let's hope so, now he's dead.
2. Was the bomb built o/s the UK and shipped in? - you would expect not.
3. Did someone else in the UK build the bomb and give it to the attacker? This is the worst option, this means there is a person with sophisticated bomb making skills in the UK, which would suggest and organised IS sympathetic cell in the UK.

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Could be why they've raised the terror threat and decided to deploy the army.

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I doubt this coward built the device sadly i think this is part of something bigger and clearly no target is off limits to these bunch of cowardly turds. We know some terrorists came in with the flood of migrants that have settled in the UK and the numbers are just too large to be adequately surveiled hence why attackers are often known to the security services. Manchester's response to this has been beyond great they have demonstrated what differentiates us and the cowards who were responsible for this atrocity better then words could and my thoughts and condolences go to that great city and all those affected by this.

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I hope the above comments help. A nail bomb is easy to build and if used by a suicide bomber is less complicated than one with a timer or remote trigger.

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Why not just feed his remains to the pigs, I'm sure going through one must be worse than touching the little piggy in their eyes

4 questions, are there any other devices he built or was given

My God he wanted to watch the show :shocked:

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I was just repeating what an head of counter terrorism stated on the R4 breakfast program yesterday and other " experts"

I would expect him to have better grasp of these things than anybody on here.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world...heck-1.3093088

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/808...ecurity-expert

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I wonder what 'known to the authorities' really means though? I imagine the security services have a sprawling network of people interconnected to each other and most of these are tangential to their actual persons of interest. If so then it means little other than the fact there exists, in some place, a file with their name on it.

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Alex Jones (of Infowars conspiracy site) really is a piece of ordure.

http://www.newsweek.com/infowars-ale...te-open-614177

Calling a bunch of kids who have just been blown up "liberal trendies" must be a new low, even for him...

I suppose next he'll be saying it's a "false flag" operation - what an arse.

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Living with so much anger and hate must take it's toll on people like him.

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Sadly not, these people exist to spout bile and create fear, anger and hatred. That's the only means by which they can feel they matter. I dare say some don't care how awful they are if being so generates the publicity which pays the bills...

Sad, sad, people. They need to be ignored, not named and linked to IMHO.

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The US media keeps revealing details of the on-going investigation despite the requests from the UK to knock it off.

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Didn't this guy claim that "he's playing a character" and described himself as a "performance artist"? I am guessing this is a way of trying deflect criticism ..

The guys is a loser but the problem is many people listen to his hateful fake news preaching.

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New low for them. The New York Times posted a picture of the dead or injured victims, on the floor of the foyer of Manchester Arena, where the Bomb blast occurred, yesterday. UK media was doing same but blaring out the bodies.

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Whilst some news coverage is necessary I must say I do find the level of scrutiny and intrusion excessive. Do we really need to so much coverage/images/footage of this terrible event? :shrug:

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I'm sick to death of reading posts blaiming May for it all it's her fault the police are less than they once were or it's a political move on her part to raise the treat to critical level.

It's none of the above. perhaps if they knew of him they should have kept better tabs and the threat level increase is to protect the country not a political move it really ****** me off.

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Police workforce and funding in England and Wales

This reduction in police numbers since the Conservatives came to power does validate the question: have these headcount reductions impacted the Security Services and associated Police units ability to protect us ..

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The killer has been reported to the police twice by two people: https://twitter.com/FrankRGardner/st...06559508398080

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We could have millions of police and security service personnel and things like this would still happen it just isn't possible to maintain 24\7 surveillance of all the flagged people. We cannot prevent cowards doing these things and have the society we have so unless people want a change in the type of society to make this less likely and make things easier for the security services but then that would be doing exactly what these lowlife cowards want.

The city and people of Manchester have done the best thing that can be done in response to attacks like this with how they have responded showing the type of society we have they are a symbol of why cowards won't win.

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Requests to US intelligence to stop the leaks, not the media to stop printing them

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7752511.html

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As I'm sure have thousands of others, none of who will go on to blow themselves, and others, up.

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They are still leaking to the US media, who are in turn broadcasting out so no difference.

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Spot on. How many Potential attacks have been thwarted in last few years? 13? 14?

As the Manchester Attack shows, it only takes one to slip through the cracks.

Making this political does not help at all.

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It makes a difference to me, our special ally is leaking information and we've asked them to stop, they haven't, why is that, are they trying to undermine the donald, pretty disgusting if so, using the murder of children to score cheap political points. Whereas the press is the press, why would anyone expect better of them.

Someone posted a link the other day saying attacks were being thwarted every 9 days on average, can't remember the time frames involved though

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The US is leaking photo's taken by Forensic Intelligence officials in Britain and guess which media outlet is leaking the photos?

Yep, the New York Times. They are a bunch of cretins of the highest order. There is clearly some rogue element, as you say, doing as you suggested.

The leaking itself of sensitive information is surely a crime, publishing it, should also be a crime.

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US is getting a poor reputation for leaking information - first the Israeli information on Isis and now this is leaked. Both the US intelligence and its media that reproduce this information should know better.
The most important thing is that perpetrators are caught and crimes prevented, not that we all have a good gossip about the suspects whilst they leg it out of the country.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40032504

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NYT getting a roasting on it's FB page, they have shared the photo's there of the bomb parts or what's left of them.

I told them what I thought of them when they posted photo's of the bodies lying on the Manchester Arena floor.

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Making it a crime is a bit dramatic (the publishing of), a lot of journalists would be in jail if it were a crime. I am not sure the risks/ethnics of publishing further details about the bomb although the NYT weren't the ones to name the bomber (was CBS).

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According to the security reporter for the FT the UK is considering not sharing everything with the States: https://twitter.com/samgadjones/stat...86128382914560

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Trumps win in the states has upset a lot of people in the political establishment over there and they will use anything they think will do damage to trump and it's sickening that they would use any attack much less one aimed at kids. This attack might have been one coward but there were clearly more behind it and they may still be intending to attack again we need to stop everyone that is trying to politicise this and get behind our country.

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I don't see how that helps anyone. Surely the leaker needs to be found i.e A court order issued to NYT demanding they hand over information of the leakers, shutting down a parts of an intelligence arm means the terrorists win.

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Not sure this is so much about Trump as the whole thing being out of control. This doesn't hurt Trump that much if anything it helps him shift the focus on his own crisis to the question of whose leaking the information which they've been trying to do unsuccessfully for weeks.

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They could try that, doubt it would work. The Americans take freedom of the press very seriously. It would be something that almost certainly would end up at the Supreme Court if it even got that far.

Also it's multiple papers and maybe multiple sources. It wasn't the NYT that published the information about the bomber yesterday.

The investigation of the leaker would have to be done by the government internally.

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Another person arrested bringing the total to 7

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Police has stopped sharing information about the Manchester bombing to the US: https://twitter.com/BBCDomC/status/867637121938583553

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Islamists are very clear about what they want – we just aren’t listening

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paywall, I wouldn't mind reading the article though. too tight to pay for it.

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In one sense it's irrelevant what Islamists or any other group want if we are unwilling or unable to comply. It is also irrelevant if those groups resort to terror. Terrorists are just that and should be treated accordingly, and if the group they (claim to) represent supports those actions it too should be treated accordingly. (I would add that individual members need to be assessed on their own personal attitudes and involvement. As an example if a person is coerced or "brainwashed" do we act the same as someone knowingly and willingly commits or plans to commit some crime.)

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Another comment is also true, we don't know how many attacks are foiled and not published. And attacks like the one in Manchester and others we see around the world are next to impossible to stop all. The next bomb could be out in the street somewhere, imagine an attack on Chinese New Year celebrations or some other outdoor, outside crowd. Just put your device just outside "the cordon" where the crowd is still big enough but you won't get checked.

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I don't really think anyone seriously don't know what they want, I think people are more struggling with how to fight it and why people get radicalised in the first place.

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Mainly naive malleable young men who're easily taken advantage of by religious extremists in just the same way as gangs (drug related or otherwise) draw in new members and even future victims. Not so very different from the sort of controlling, abuse employed by the paedophile gangs in enticing vulnerable young girls into their networks and convincing them, over a period of time, to do things they'd never have dreamt of. The only motive these young terrorists have for what they do is the motive seeded in their minds, sometimes over many years, by those who so cleverly exploit them which include religious leaders they've been taught to look up to.

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I disabled Javascript and was able to read it.

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They are working out a particular version of the Muslim end time scenario, based on the hadith; the traditions of Muhammad's teaching written after his death. They believe a person called the Mahadi will turn up and lead them to victory over the whole of the world. IS believe that the more atrocities they commit, the sooner the Mahadi will appear.

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and then listen to this from Sam Harris:

What do jihadists really want?

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The New York Times, has arrogantly defended it's decision to publish photographs of dead bodies on the floor of Manchester Arena and the fragments of what was left of the Bomb.

This is their Statement:

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Not sure whats arrogant about it, they are after all, a newspaper.

The question really seems to be where did the photos come from, and did they have permission to post them.

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Maybe they just ought to just respect what the security services tasked with picking up the pieces are asking of them for a few more hours or is getting that breaking news scoop/picture published ahead of their rivals the most important thing? Are they really saying that 'educating their readership' is that important and couldn't have waited a short time? :shrug:

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On the contrary:
......and he's not the only one who is either deliberatly not facing up to what is going on, or is simply thick as mince.

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I feel it is arrogant because they say it's not disrespectful to the victims, it may not directly be so, however, it's disrespectful to publish such stuff especially when the US had been asked not to by UK Authorities.

Anyway, President Trump has apparently just said that he is very angry with the leaks and has ordered the U.S Department of Justice to have a complete investigation of the Intelligence leaks.

Basically, the behaviour of the NYT (and other US outlets), they have used the Manchester Bombing, in their political crossfire that they have with President Trump. It's nothing short of reprehensible what they have done and how they have acted.