Terrorist Attack Near Parliament, London
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39355940

:erm:

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Something has happened on Westminster bridge as well. That might actually be worse from initial reports.

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This is from the Press Association.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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5 people have been run down apparently, no idea as to how serious their injuries or there are any fatalities.

This has to be a Terrorist Attack.

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Reports of further violent incidents in the vicinity according to the MP David Lidington.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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Think he is talking about the same incident.

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1 Police officer stabbed and about 10 hit by a car on Westminster Bridge according to latest reports.

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Sounds like the police acted very quickly. PM was evacuated within moments of the gunshots, assailant taking down quickly. Hope the officer, and those on the bridge, will be ok.

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Scotland Yard: Confirming Police Treating this as a Terrorist Attack.

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One woman dead and others hurt, some with 'catastrophic' injuries, doctor says.:(

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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Sobering to think I was on Westminster Bridge yesterday morning..:(

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Seems he mounted the pavement and mowed down pedestrians before binning it into the Parliament railings upon which he stabbed a Police officer before being shot.

Expect a flurry of ID suggestions on the web shortly, the photo of the suspect has appeared without the face blur online. This will undoubtedly lead to multiple false ID's so take everything with a pinch of salt until they actually release the name.

Early reports were skewed though suggestion of an officer being shot and the suspect being shot. Not sure why they go with unverified information then present that as fact. CNN's original headline was Dozens injured in Parliament shootout.

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You can bet there will be calls asking why he was shot dead if that is the case instead of being taken alive :mad:. As for the victims my thoughts are with them and there families

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AFAIK Police are trained to aim at the body mass. They don't decide whether to kill or wound; they shoot in order to stop a lethal threat to themselves and/or the public. Putting three bullets into someone will stop them. At that point the job's done. Whether they then live or die is, frankly, a secondary issue.

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Police officer has been killed in the attack according to the Guardian.:(

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-politics-live

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I suppose it depends on the gun there using, If its a HK then its 9mm which does not kill as easily as 5.56. 9mm is a handgun round where as 5.56 is used in assault rifles.

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Yes just heard it on Sky news. RIP brave officer

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:(

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This was going to happen sooner or later and will no doubt happen again, quite likely with far greater loss of life. It's a sad fact of modern life and there's very little we can do about it other than be aware of the possibility at all times and take whatever basic precautions we realistically can.

Thoughts to the families and loved ones of all the victims and those tasked with dealing with the attack and it's aftermath, especially the police who were in the front line.

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4 dead, 20 injured

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The assailant is one of them thankfully so no further time or resources will need to be wasted on the ****.

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Although one of the 4 dead appears to be the attacker.

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Sky are saying the attacker is dead, i do hope so and may he rot in hell.

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A Goverment Minister tried to save the police officer's life: https://www.buzzfeed.com/marielecont...nxR#.sqQMk68R9

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You never know when these horrible people will be next, I hope their is no more deaths, Prayers for everyone involved

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Beg to differ.

9mm is a heavier round, and it was at short range.

Anyway, most important thing is that the ******* was taken down.

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Sent you a pm

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And

https://www.quora.com/What-causes-mo...-5-56-mm-rifle

However i would agree that .45 or 9mm is better in a crowd situation

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Thank you, both - always willing to learn.

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It's why we (UK armed forces) moved from the 7.62mm SLR (bigger bullet, more powerful cartridge, longer barrel) to the bullpup 5.56mm - the SLR bullet just kept going, which is sub-optimal in an urban environment.

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In light of todays events it's worrying what Turkeys president has just said.
Soon Europeans ‘Will Not Walk Safely on Their Streets :dozey:

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And the FN SLR used to upset IRA snipers who thought that ducking behind a brick wall was a safe zone... :dunce:

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<snigger>

Evolution in action... :D

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Favourite reaction today is how normal the rest of London is acting. Rush hour was horrible so there was no change at all.

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9mm is used in rifles as well, even though its technically a handgun round.
I can shoot 9mm at my local (25m) range, but not 5.56 as that's considered too powerful, have to go to the 50/100m range for that.

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Channel 4 have made a big mistake. They named the attacker, led with it on the news, only for it turn out the person they named is still in prison!! They've retracted the report and pulled the repeat of the program but they've messed up big.

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I have fired 9mm, 5.56 and 7.62. 7.62 was the most fun and made a hell of an impact at the other end but you had a brush on the shoulder if you fired a lot.:)

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Is quite correct, all the armed officers I ever spoke to laughed at shoot to kill/wound. It's react to the threat and stop it.

I realise I'm probably going to get flack for this, but after watching the sobering events I found myself asking myself 'Just how do we deal with the terrorist issue?'

Military intervention isn't working

The intelligence services can only do so much as has just been shown by todays events. One day credible intelligence reports regarding laptops etc. The next the painful scenes from today.

It seems to be an unwinnable scenario with innocent people on both sides being killed, maimed or injured.


I honestly don't know

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The Telegraph also seem to have pulled some of their earlier pictures from the site. Some of those armed officers clearly weren't Police and stuck out like a sore thumb. You can guess the rest

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Actually, you might have to fill the rest in for me :dunce: What were they? Army? Is that significant?

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Special forces who like to keep themselves to themselves maybe? :shrug:

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Still don't get it. Why would The Telegraph need to pull their reports? Wouldn't special forces be expected? :dunce:

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I know it was a tad cryptic sorry.

Full face and upper torso picture of an officer in irregular garb holding a specific type of carbine rifle not generally issued to nor procured by any of the Home Office forces. You've therefore a choice of Marines, MOD plod, SAS or SBS. Take yer pick.

Not unusual they're there but not difficult to spot by the trained eye thus you wouldn't want to be publishing such photos on a national media site.

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I literally said a page ago that the non censored image would lead to false ID's. I expected that. Less so from an organized news team though. Absolute face roll moment.

As for the telegraph thing. There were evidently multiple military responders on site. Likely SAS.

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Well I didn't see what they've pulled. Maybe they were identifiable.

Update:

Thanks to Uncle Peter for confirming.

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I don't think you can do something to 'solve' it. Only do things to try and reduce it and in fairness we seem to be doing that quite well. In the end what can anyone reasonably do against one man in a car with a knife? Not much. But then we can't do much about someone who wakes up to murder without terrorist intent either.

We let terrorism have an undue influence on us I think. Obviously, we need to continue to guard against it and it's not a normal crime but we can't revamp the entire way we live to address this specific threat. Statistically it's a minor cause of the death in the UK.

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Oh! Got ya. Cheers. :D

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Respect for MP Tobias Ellwood, who ran to help the fatally wounded PC, despite being told to run the other way.

I guess his military training kicked in.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39359319

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Generally well organized media response.

Can't help but be completely annoyed at those that evidently went for the 'scoop' and failed miserably. CNN for their completely false headline of 12 injured in parliament shootout. Channel 4 for being internet trolls and ID'ing a suspect using the uncensored image from earlier, then in typical fashion, having it completely wrong despite stating it as fact on TV.

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It's been handled well by everyone I think. The police did very well it seems. Everything else in London continued as normal. The commons is back to work tomorrow.

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Racism is already bad post Brexit now it's possibly going to get worse.

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Seven being held after Westminster attack.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39363297

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...c-keith-palmer

The Policeman who died is named as Keith Palmer. Was a husband and dad as well. :(

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As we keep pointing out, Islam isn't a race.

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Suspect:

Attachment 26917 Click to enlarge.

Nationality, religion? No points on offer. :rolleyes:

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Yes, the attacker will be in for a bad surprise if there is an afterlife. Instead of virgins as he was promised, he will be greeted by Lucifer. His pea brain will then register that he has been misled.

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We win by not giving in to terror and making everything so secure that you can't do anything without a permit (implanted chip could contain this - remote scanning), checkpoints everywhere.

Being "free" has risk but it's worth it.

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So go on then, whats his nationality as I can't tell from the photo?

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And as others keep pointing out, this doesn't stop the ignorant acting as if it is*....


*there is a brown person, so they must be a Muslim, so they must be a terrorist (or terrorist sympathiser), so I have every right to berate, abuse, and otherwise be an arse to them....

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PM has confirmed his nationality was British and he was previously investigated over extremism.

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It's the Fifth Column within our country that are going to be the worst headache for security forces to deal with. Supported by many sympathisers I would expect, and able to disappear at will within their communities.

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That sums it up nicely. :(

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That's the main problem, the muslim community is not very vocal about condemning terrorism and the majority of the community probabley support it. Who knows.

They don't actually need to use terrorism to establish a muslim Europe, all they need is patience. In a few generations they'll become the majority as they typically have more children. Like it or not it will happen eventually.

Thankfully I'll not be here to see it.

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May said London is the greatest city on earth.

oh shut up you arrogant British idiots. it's not the greatest city on earth at all.

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Trolling?

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Meanwhile, back on the subject:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-39355505

The best response to acts like this. :tu:

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In slightly uplifting news as well, although not sure that's the right word, a fundraising campaign for the family of the murdered Policeman has already reached £82,000.

https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/Keith-palmer

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Sorta of is though. :cool:

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Ignore him..

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:tu:

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The over the top media frenzy is getting somewhat cringe worthy now. And playing right into the terrorists hands.

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Love this:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...8&d=1490284131


https://twitter.com/richardadalton/s...shut-down-city

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I'd say that it is, but I'm biased :D

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Possible attack foiled in Belgum

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The emergency services and those civilians unfortunate enough to be caught up in yesterdays events who helped their fellow humans inside a danger zone yesterday have rightly been praised but I'd like to praise my fellow Londoners as well.

This morning around 16 hours after yesterdays tragic events I was working in a street called Strutton Ground, this is approximately 200-300 yards from Parliament Square, with the exception of the police helicopter that was still circling the crime scene Strutton Ground was its normal bustling rush hour self with people of all faiths and nationalities going about their normal business.

It brought home to me how pointless yesterdays tragic loss of life was, but reaffirmed the faith I have in the vast majority of those I share this great city with.

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Yes. It was the same during the IRA campaign and I'm sure during WWII although I'm not quite old enough to remember that. It wasn't just London either - neither terrorists nor wartime enemies have stopped the British getting on with their lives wherever they took their terror.

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l ain't interested what PM May says as she is simply stating what normal people already know but sadly you must have your rose tinted glasses on again because if you can't see that London is a great city then there really is no helping you Gary.

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I remember when they said this about the Irish Catholic community in this country - it wasn't true then.

(I was a member of that community)

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I don't think she is. she's just deluded.

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We're experts at going over the top. there's even call for a state funeral for the police man?

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Rubbish.

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He actually just stated its not the greatest city, not that it wasnt a great city ;)

On that point, I happen to agree with him as such (just not his idiotic way of posting it :dozey:).

Personally, I dislike London, and avoid it as much as possible.

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Each to their own Paul as we just love all the historic things you can see in London along with a few other things as if we all had the same tastes in life then life would be rather boring.

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If London is the greatest city in the world is obviously subjective but objectively it's up there. It's one of the world's iconic cities. One of the most commercially booming cities. A city with 2000 years of history. A city that has the West End, the globe and the British Museum.

London scores high on everything you would want in a city: history, business and culture. Most cities score high on only two of those. Most historical cities do not have London's success in finance and technology and most modern cities in the Americas have London's history.

Also there is a very good donut shop just off Berwick Street.

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It's funny, now that I can't see the crowds I love London, couldn't stand it before.

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Tasty little cafe at the end of baker street hidden in the basement beside Madame Tussauds, does great burgers. :D

I love London, likely because I don't have to live there or even near it for that matter, everything feels tiny back home after I've had my yearly visit.

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Italy: ‘North African’ Arrested After Driving at Police, Stabbing Officer

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As Osem has said, the Muslim Council of Britain have come out strongly in condemning this outrage. There have also been Muslims gathering in Trafalgar square showing support for the families of those killed and injured.

There has also been stories of Muslim groups raising money for victims of the terror attack.

What will be very telling is how much coverage and prominance the right of centre press give these stories. Their responses will give us profound insight to their real agenda .. let's wait and see ..

I am looking at the express, mail and telegraph front pages (on-line) and I see no mention of these stories .. yet ..

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That as well as the social media frenzy. Now there will be #PrayForLondon #MuslimsAgainstExtremism type stuff along with all the various groups using it as proof of x, y and z.

With no disrespect to anyone that died in this incident and their friends and family, but the that dustbin lorry driver who just collapsed at the wheel in Glasgow a year or two ago, run down and killed more guys than the mentally unstable guy from yesterdays. Obviously there is a difference between intentional and unintentional but the news coverage difference worlds apart. It's as if the end of the world is nigh going by current coverage.

That is ignoring the other mass killings that happen daily across the world, some even at the hands of our bombs. It makes sense we are more sensitive to stuff on our own doorstep but making the news dominated by it and having every tom dick and harry on tv condemning it and commenting on it makes the event seem bigger than it is. Especially in the eyes of those who might celebrate such an incident...

Some perspective is needed sometimes.

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It's the way us British are. we are actually pathetic.
this has happened and we will make damn sure that the whole world knows just how pathetic and dramatic we are.

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I think I preferred this place without your constant immature mewling.

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Why does everyone post off topic comments when I say something?

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Well don't say anything then ;)

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I did. for a while :)

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Here comes the share if you think the burqa should be banned Facebook tripe. I must have have missed the part where he attacked Parliament as a drag queen.

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There have also been online reports of many muslims celebrating the attack, and other muslims berating them for that.

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The reaction hasn't been that over the top. On the day they closed Westminster but the rest of London functioned normally, people were swarming about Soho, Convent Garden, Victoria and Leicester Square without concern. The tube closed Westminster station but ran a normal service. Rush hour was no different.

The next day Parliament ran a normal session expect for a brief series of statements about the attack. So far there appears to be little demand for a policy reaction.

The press is covering it a lot obviously but there is a difference, as you pointed out, between a terrible accident and an intentional killing. The location also amplifies the story, he attacked Parliament. You also pointed out why the daily killings internationally aren't as big a story, they're not happening here. Our interests and emotions aren't logical.

I agree with the action on social media being over the top. People around London seemed to think they were caught up in a bigger event than it was but that's social media for you.

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You can find the worst of any group on the internet. There were people celebrating Jo Cox's murder if you were willing to search for it. The internet completely distorts the power and scale of hateful groups, people that would have otherwise been confined to some log cabin in Idaho are now given a platform to broadcast to the world.

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Or suburb of Birmingham or Luton etc....

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:tu:

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It's ridiculous how this nutter is becoming an international superstar. we are hearing about all the names he's used. what the bed looked like that he may have slept in and even the kitchen that he may have made some cheese on toast in. stop giving these nutters the fame and glory they crave.
otherwise the other one will want to be better than the previous.

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Despicable use of this situation to court headlines. The city is resilient and united.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...-a3497151.html

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She doesn't seem to have learnt anything after her recent court case. :rolleyes:

If Londoners weren't cowed by the blitz, some Islamic nutter doesn't stand a chance.

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Best to ignore this odious woman IMO as one must not give her the oxygen of publicity..

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indeed, she'll be at it even more now that she's clearing her debts. Evil object that she is!

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Probably because everything you say atm is idiotic, pointless drivel. :rolleyes:

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We have an internet sensation. she'll never get no peace now. a star overnight. simply adorable.
Eight-year-old girl sends police thank you letter
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39379808




I'm kicking myself that I never got my daughter to do it first :(

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Weather's lovely today.

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Hopkins is the UK's biggest idiot.

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Is that even remotely statistically accurate?


That isn't as silly as you've made it sound

https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rther-violence


Not quiet, what a complete berk this woman is

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...il-of-britain/