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Sirius 21-03-2017 06:20

Martin McGuinness has died
 
Former IRA chief-of-staff Martin McGuinness has died at the age of 66.

http://news.sky.com/story/former-ni-...ed-66-10809326

TheDaddy 21-03-2017 06:20

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Good...

Sirius 21-03-2017 06:22

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35891011)
Good...

Indeed

tweetiepooh 21-03-2017 09:55

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No - not good. He has family and friends and he is still a person. Further you don't know if his death may make way for someone worse.

Osem 21-03-2017 10:34

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I must say I thought the air smelled fresher this morning.

There are no excuses for many of the appalling wrongs he took part in and refused to help resolve to his grave.

Ramrod 21-03-2017 11:41

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35891034)
No - not good. He has family and friends and he is still a person. Further you don't know if his death may make way for someone worse.

I'm sure the same was said about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler :rolleyes:

Damien 21-03-2017 11:51

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35891046)
I'm sure the same was said about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler :rolleyes:

Hitler wasn't so bad, he did kill Hitler after all. :D

More seriously though McGuinness is going to be a more complicated figure considering his eventual role in the peace process. Hence the mixed reaction this morning.

Sirius 21-03-2017 11:56

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Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35891046)
I'm sure the same was said about Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler :rolleyes:

Indeed.

I for one will have a glass of the good stuff and a small cigar tonight knowing he will now be in a hotter place than i am. ;)

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35891047)
Hitler wasn't so bad, he did kill Hitler after all. :D

More seriously though McGuinness is going to be a more complicated figure considering his eventual role in the peace process. Hence the mixed reaction this morning.

If he had not carried out the killings and bombings that he was involved in then it might have been a peace process completed a lot sooner. I might have had a bit of respect for him if he had not been been the IRA chief of staff. I am from Warrington a town that lost 2 young kids to a bomb the IRA planted outside Macdonalds on a saturday afternoon knowing it would kill young kids enjoying a burger with there parents. I also met the man on a VCP in Londonderry and he was a cold and evil looking man.

pip08456 21-03-2017 12:40

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35891034)
No - not good. He has family and friends and he is still a person.

Try telling that to family's of those murdered by the IRA under his watch who now have very little chance of closure and giving their loved ones a decent burial.

TheDaddy 22-03-2017 01:48

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35891052)
Try telling that to family's of those murdered by the IRA under his watch who now have very little chance of closure and giving their loved ones a decent burial.

Or the fact he took what little chance of closure they had to the grave with him. His family will get the chance to bury him and grieve for him, how many others are in shallow grave or bogs that he knew about that are simply classed as missing whose families are in limbo. This seems to have been missed amongst all the eulogising that's frankly made me feel a little queasy, he wasn't a Gandhi or a Martin Luther King, he was a murdering ******* who never showed an ounce of regret for the crimes he helped commit, the fact he played a part in the peace process shouldn't mean all he did previously is forgotten or overlooked. As far as I'm concerned a rather odious individual is dead, big deal.

RizzyKing 22-03-2017 02:26

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Yep sorry but this isn't someone who should be celebrated he was a cowardly murdering ******* and i don't care if he had family and friends who will miss him and that's the only thing i have in common with martin mcguiness as he didn't care for those family and friends of any of his many victims. Rot in hell and i hope it's as bad as it's meant to be your still getting off lightly.

Julian 22-03-2017 06:17

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The Jimmy Savile of politics.

Savile not remembered for his charity work but his nefarious deeds.

this character must be remembered for his crimes not his "peace" work....

tweetiepooh 22-03-2017 11:46

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I would not wish hell on anyone. And I'm not saying we should celebrate his life but we certainly shouldn't rejoice in his death. We don't forget the bad he did and we must remember those he caused pain. But forgiving is a very important thing and unforgivingness and bitterness has consequences.

Mick 22-03-2017 13:17

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I would just like to pay tribute to all the people and victims who DIED and or suffered at his hands, way before their time.

mrmistoffelees 22-03-2017 13:48

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I hope he's bouncing up and down on satans fiery spear for an eternity.

RizzyKing 22-03-2017 15:00

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Forgiveness has to be earnt and he didn't earn it he went to his grave without giving closure to some of his victims and likely because as the true coward he was only thought of himself and how things would affect him. I've never wished hell on anyone before but there will be another i wish it for and that's for his equally cowardly ******* friend gerry adams sooner he joins mcguiness the better.

pip08456 22-03-2017 15:25

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35891155)
I would not wish hell on anyone. And I'm not saying we should celebrate his life but we certainly shouldn't rejoice in his death. We don't forget the bad he did and we must remember those he caused pain. But forgiving is a very important thing and unforgivingness and bitterness has consequences.

You are on your own here tweetiepooh.

richard s 22-03-2017 19:41

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Those who deal or perpetrate in the death of innocents deserve to receive the same in kind.

Maggy 22-03-2017 21:31

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I won't celebrate his death but I won't eulogise him either.

OLD BOY 23-03-2017 10:18

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I'm certainly no apologist for the IRA but I think we should remember the appalling way in which the British treated the Catholics earlier in the 20th century, and indeed, way before that. The IRA was born from a sense of that injustice.

This is an important lesson for everyone to learn for the future. Violence breeds violence. Until that lesson is learned and acted upon, similar conflicts will arise in the future and forever.

There are still many people who suggest that we should not have rehabilitated Martin McGuiness as a politician. Understandable though that is, if we had not been ready to accept such a step, the violence would still be going on today and the peace process would remain just an aspiration.

It was the right choice to make and this decision must have saved many lives. To be fair, at least he did embrace the peace in the end, which is why we are where we are now. This may be cold comfort for those who have lost loved ones and who themselves may have been injured by the impact of the troubles, but it was the better option to take in the end.

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35891155)
I would not wish hell on anyone. And I'm not saying we should celebrate his life but we certainly shouldn't rejoice in his death. We don't forget the bad he did and we must remember those he caused pain. But forgiving is a very important thing and unforgivingness and bitterness has consequences.

I certainly don't think we should forgive him, but we should try to understand what motivated him and others to do what they did. That may prevent similar conflicts in the future.

Pierre 23-03-2017 21:06

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There would have been no peace agreement without him, and I'd rather have dealt with someone like him than the current batch of terrorists we have to deal with.

Maggy 24-03-2017 09:20

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As long as we don't get around to blaming victims of the IRA I will be delighted.

Taf 24-03-2017 12:06

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The praise poured up him was akin to praising Jimmy Saville for his charity work. Sickening.

Maggy 24-03-2017 16:58

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The person I credit with getting peace in NI is Mo Mowlam.

denphone 24-03-2017 17:21

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She is sadly not with us anymore but heaven will certainly be proud of her achievements and the great courage she showed in her later years before her untimely passing.

Hom3r 24-03-2017 18:34

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If only he died a day later, then the attack in London would have removed him from the headlines.


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