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The BBC was today forced to drop an anti English racist advert for Rugby. I always held the BBC in high regard, but this is disgusting and shocking! I never thought the BBC would be Anglophobic or promote Anglophobia.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...laints-racist/

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Not really surprised as the bbc has become more political it's standards have plummeted i honestly cannot remember the last time we watched anything bbc related and I resent having to fund them.

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Wether you watch the BBC or not we still need to have an inquiry as to why the BBC thought such overt racism was acceptable. Someone needs to be sacked and a lot of people need to be retrained.

I can see this becoming a massive issue on social media,

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Of course any excuse to spend taxpayers money.

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Is English a race?

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Its a ethnic group, which means its a race these days. Apparently saying something negative about a muslim is racist, muslims are not a race. Voting to leave the EU was racist, the EU is not a race. There is only 4 real race classes on the planet. But saying the french stink is racist, saying Syrians smell funny is racist, Saying immigrants are thieves is racist, None of those are a race. Even saying the Welsh like to enjoy lovemaking with sheep is racist, the Welsh are not a race.

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English is a race ... a race to get out of the country...

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English are an ethnic group?

Citation needed...

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No need, what makes you think the English are not a ethnic group? Why do you need proof?

The English are a nation and an ethnic group native to England, who speak the English language. The English identity is of early medieval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Angelcynn ("family of the Angles").

I suspect you're a very old man who does not understand the country he lives in, You probably think the Scots come from Ireland, this is not true. DNA is proving the Scots were Englishmen, they then migrated to Ireland. So the Irish are actually Scots.

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Thank you, Wikipedia...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_people Fair Use policy means you should link to the source you quote..;)

As you said in another thread

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Where is your argument? I knew you would google the quote and expected your informed reply. But nothing? I feel let down by you, but then you're one of those old men trying to ruin the future of us young men. Is sitting on the internet quoting other peoples opinions really that satisfying? Because thats all you do, I on the other hand post my opinions, I'm a young positive forward thinking Englishman. Now go panic incase your benefits get sanctioned because everyone here knows you've been claiming them for years.

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Actually, I had looked up English as ethnicity before you quoted, but please don't let reality spoil your victim complex...

However, how do you justify saying in one thread that Wikipedia is not a reliable source, then in another using Wikipedia as a source? (Without stating wiki as your source - poor form).

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I don't. So about the BBC's racist comment, how do you feel about it? I suspect most educated users here spotted my comment about wiki, then using a wiki quote. I guess it went over your head old fella.

An I'm no victim, I am English and very proud.

Oh an hugh, I first used this site around August 2007, you have contradicted yourself so much about your "Army history" An various other nonsense stories I am 100% sure I'm not the only one that thinks you're a prat..

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Excellent - so you don't feel the need to justify hypocrisy; well done, you.

Regarding the advert, I think it was silly - however, you strike me as the sort of person, who, if someone else had complained about a similar ad about something else, would have called them a 'special snowflake' or 'over-reacting'...

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What are they then?

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Your posting style is very familiar 'Englishman'. Another month, another name, another diatribe..

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At last an opinion, thankyou for your contribution and I agree it was at very least "silly and racist" but at worst intentionally intended to provoke racial hate.

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What is your opinion on the BBC's racist advert?

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Really? Have people not got anything more meaningful to worry about?

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So a national broadcaster encouraging racial hate is not important? Virginmedia and Sky should refuse to carry BBC channels!!!

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Steady on with the faux-indignation.

Racial hate? No, the advert (nothing wrong with it by the way) is about England, not the English.

I think this may suit your "persecuted Englander" complex a bit more.

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You really do need to get a sense of humour IMHO. And yes, I'm English.

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What are they then?

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Answering your changed post re benefits.

Like the rest of your post, it's contiguousness with actuality is, at best, non-existent (and by the the way, by the use of this argument, you are showing who you really are, as it recycles a previous proposition you used before you were previously banned).

Of all the tosses I give, your comment on benefits I claim are not amongst them - but, if you want to have a fact-based discussion (difficult for you, I know), can I point out that this tax year I have probably paid more in tax and NI than you earned, with you being a low-level HMRC employee... ;)

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I smell a tweedle troll.

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Is this thread for real?

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Never been in the Army - I was in the RAF...

Once again, facts and your statements continue to avoid each other... :D

(tbf, I did live in an Army MQ in Kladow (Sakrower Kirchweg) in West Berlin for a couple of months in the 70s until we were allocated a RAF MQ at Gatow, so that may explain your confusion...;)).

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To be fair, as the article says: "Can imagine the fuss if the BBC put this out about Wales!"?

I think that the clip is out of line, but only because if any other group of people was substituted for 'English' then people would lose their minds and the BBC would be right there agreeing with them.

If it was nowadays acceptable to take the pee and have a laugh at another groups expense without someone getting on their high horse then this video would be perfectly acceptable but since various ideologies, both political and religious, seem to have made it their business to have a hair trigger regarding this kind of thing then they have spoiled it for everyone :shrug:

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It's about England, not the English.....people need to lighten up.

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Indeed there are far more serious things in life to think about then this.

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England and the English are fairly interlinked. It's tricky, if not impossible to take the mick out of one without, by extension, the other :shrug:

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You're right in one respect; Political correctness is so out of control these day's, that some groups take offence at the slightest thing. And I doubt the BBC would have done an add like this to these groups


But it wasn't any of these other groups; it was Wales poking a bit of fun at the English. If some English people have lost the ability to laugh at themselves on occasions like this, then we are in a very sorry state indeed.

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I bet the rugby fans have all taken it as a giggle.... as they slowly turn to ice at the match today... it's perishing out there! 74,000-person group hug recommended!

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I was pretty much Welsh when I lived there.

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Someone who gets it :tu:

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Those who know Rugby fans and especially Welsh and English fans are wetting their pants in laughter at this "supposedly" racist ad.

It's nothing of the sort, it represents the friendly banter between them that has existed for years.

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its libtard rubbish

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I get the humour and don't mind the type of humour I'm just not happy with the bbc doing this because they wouldn't do it to any other group it's not the humour i think people have a problem with it's the hypocrisy of the organisation that chose to use it.

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Ok, call it evens for Anne Robinson's comments about us.

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Exactly!

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It's not racist at all says this British mongrel with Scottish, Irish,English and Geordie blood married to someone whom is both Welsh and English.

Time for some to get off their high horses.

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Totally agree. This wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for other groups who don't want to get off theirs and the fact that the BBC wouldn't do this to pretty much any other group of people/country and would be at the forefront of denouncing anyone else who did.

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So take it as a compliment that the Beeb thinks you're tough enough to take a joke...

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I can't, I need time to figure out why I'm offended so I can rant and complain about it :D

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you don't need to worry others are offended on your behalf ,and their probably not English ;)

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I don't think that's their thinking

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Yup. :tu:

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Remind me Russ what was your reaction to her comments?

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I don't think we knew each other back then?

Anyway the England fans at the game wanted England to win - how dare they display such racist behaviour etc...

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He was very magnanimous.

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Totally agree. :)

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I think you are suffering from a humour deficiency, old chap. This is just a load of old cods, and people need to get a life instead of complaining and wingeing about every little thing.

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The BBC getting hoisted by it's own petard.BRILLIANT.They are forever implying "racist" at everybody that does not think along their liberal dumbocrat way of thinking.On a more serious note people who are,and i quote from the report "furious" about this advert really must have a sad,sad life and have had a humour bypass.Go back to your dark room and play bang bang shoot em up childrens games and vent your fury on anti-social media and let normal people enjoy a bit banter.Some people really are little snowflakes these days.Stick and stones..........

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So Hugh it seems you're in the top 1% of earners in Scotland, I'm sure everyone here would like to congratulate you on this amazing fact. My earnings for 15-16 financial year were a little over £41k. Not an amazing amount I admit but I worked for it an I'm happy with it. As I do not live in London its more than enough to give us the lifestyle we want as my wife also works.

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Totally agree.

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I can't see an issue with this. There was no direct denigration just a tongue in cheek failure to promote. It is the sort of thing that makes rugby so different from the sport with the wrong shaped ball. Each side can give and take a certain level of "abuse" but limit it to just that. The real "battle" happens on the pitch.

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Another "benefit" of [anti] social media.

A large group of people that try hard to be offended by anything.
I doubt most could actually explain why they are offend, other than "I am". :dozey:

I dont know how these people manage to survive real life. :erm:

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Unfortunately, the days of white males telling the world when they can or when they cannot be offended are over. I know for a fact most of the people in this thread that told me I am over reacting are entitled white males!

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You're obviously ignorant to the Welsh Rugby fans backlash to this? Stating thier embarrassment which fueled the BBC's apology? I guess you're white and English? Once again thinking you can tell the world what is or is not offensive?

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I'm really confused. Is it offensive to the English? Or is it offensive that the English are telling the Welsh that the English should be offended? Or are the Welsh telling the English we're offended? Or are we offended on behalf of the Welsh on behalf of the English?

Incidentally context matters. Sporting jokes between nations isn't the same as decades of systematic discrimination against a race or ethnicity. I think it's a disservice to the latter to equate it with the former.....

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It was Welsh fans embarrassment at this racism and the Welsh fans wanting to distance themselves from it that forced the issue! I agree Football fans might of let this slip. But Rugby fans are very very different.

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Its very simple. Welsh rugby fans did not want anything to do with this, and forced the point. Rugby does not tolerate racism. I understand you may struggle to understand this. Fans banter is fans banter, A national Public Service national Broadcaster Promoting hate is not welcome!!!!

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I understand your point, But we are talking about a public service national broadcaster! A publicly funded broadcaster promoting hate? You think this is ok?

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What kind of Richard are you?

Rugby fans had no problem and until you can link elsewhere to where that's stated I will just treat your comment as crass ignorance.

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Well, the BBC are anti Brexit and anti Trump (does that make them pro globalisation? Rona Fairhead did attend a Bilderberg meeting ;):D) But I have never seen racial hate come from the BBC.

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The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation are a complete embarrassment to this country. Don't forget: Anti American, pro Palestinian, pro Brussels... etc

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The BBC will prosecute you for watching ITV without a TV licence, The BBC will ask Welsh Rugby fans what is good about England.

So explain why your beloved BBC which is a publicly funded national broadcaster needed to ask such a hate filled question? Or maybe you can explain the editorial positives of the question? If you can explain the need for a national, publicly funded broadcaster to ask such a hate filled question I am happy to be informed.

Is the BBC'S next question what's good about Africa? Then maybe what is good about India? Then maybe what is good about Syria?

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The context matters. This is akin to you telling a friend he's fat as a joke vs a complete stranger in a street. It would be taken completely differently. Wales and England have a friendly and established rivalry and are quite similar. It's Wales and England after all.

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I'm not sure where you get the 'My beloved BBC' from... they are very biased politically ATM in a way that I think is damaging.


I am able to laugh at myself or, in this case, laugh at poking fun at my country of birth.


Offended people should try that sometime

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I strongly suspect I have been to more live Rugby games in the last 2 years than you have in your lifetime. The Welsh fans are distancing themselves from the vile hate filled BBC comment. Hence the BBC withdrew and apologised.

Your attempts to show Rugby fans as racist is pointless. Yes friendly banter, Racist hate? NO!

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I'm still waiting for the link stating where it's the Welsh fans that complained.

As an EnglishMan and rugby supporter living in Wales I think I know what Welsh fans are like.

We have a drink before the match and have banter, have banter during the match then go for a drink after the match and have banter no matter what the result.:D

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We are not talkling about 1 person laughing at his country of birth. We are talking about a World renowned National broadcaster promoting racial hate.

The BBC asked this question, Not a few drunk fans, the BBC!!!!!!!

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Ok.....:confused: Personally I assumed you were more of a musical opera man...

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I know a guy who lives a small town called Telford left with brain damage after meeting the opposing teams rugby fans. Rugby fans are more violent than football fans in the lasts 7 years.

Stevenjowen said: “I won’t go to late Friday game again. So many uninterested in rugby. Awful drunken atmosphere not seen b4 in 40 yrs.”

“Idiotic” rugby fans were blamed for ruining the atmosphere at Friday night’s Six Nations showdown between Wales and England.

Friday night crowd fracas at Bristol is latest example of rugby's falling standards

THE owner of Salford Red Devils said he will ban for life those involved in ugly scenes which endangered young families in a shocking brawl at the weekend.

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To be clear you object to rugby fans being labelled as racist (not that we've done that) but it's fine to portray them as violent lunatics.....

They'll smash you up but they draw the line at political incorrectness....

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South Wales Police said there weren’t a higher number of incidents reported than at any other international match in the past.

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So why did the BBC ask such a hate filled question? We know the English rugby fans are peaceful. Why did the BBC need to ask welsh fans "whats good about England?" Unless the BBC thought the Welsh fans would react with hate filled answers? So then the BBC could portray rugby or the welsh as racist?

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That's up to you to figure out.

For the record I was in Cardiff that night with supporters of both sides and had a good time as always.;)

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I was also in Cardiff, I can scan and post a picture of my ticket, Lets do it? Lets both post our tickets?

Yes I keep tickets, I have tickets from festivals in 1993 LOL

But no one can explain why the BBC asked such a hate filled question? It seems like the BBC assumed all Welsh rugby fans are hate filled and racist so would agree with this line of questioning. So Happy the Welsh fans kicked the BBC into touch///

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No, this is very simple. I'm a Welsh rugby fan and I know even less of what you're talking about than you do.

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No, we're not.

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The only hate in this is in your mind.

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So being Anglophobic is ok? give me your facebook/twitter/ and lets see what social media think about that! Or are you A hidden Anglophobe? Or is your Anglophobia OK because you have English friends?

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Well seeing as my son is half English (as was my father) good luck trying to make that one stick.

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If you're not English you cannot understand how offensive this is, Please do not try to belittle the English! Could you PM me your twitter and facebook? Lets see what the majority think of your views!!!

Nice to know you're not actually Welsh though,

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To be honest there's plenty of English people on here who seem to be reluctant to agree with you over how 'offensive' this apparently is.

I wonder why they're not lining up behind your campaign...?

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So you're telling me I'm not offended? Jesus Christ I guess you're a white male? Telling the world what is or isn't offensive? Are you a white male? An could you PM me your twitter/facebook details?

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I asked one user for his twitter/facebook. The second time was only because because I wasn't sure if they had seen the first. No harassment, plus an answer of "I'm not telling" you would of prevented further requests for the information. I only asked as the user suggested no English agreed with me, I felt I could of proved STRONG evidence to the contrary.

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There's your answer pip

You make it sound almost reasonable... :)

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Can anyone point where I have called rugby fans violent lunatics, or where I have called them racist? Your silence will make much noise.


Keep posting the nasty unkind comments, Its shows you really are.

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I have never shouted down any race or reigion.

You are still a Richard of the first class!

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I've just read a few of your previous posts. I think I would be concerned if you thought I was a "great bloke". The fact our opinions are so far apart reassures me.

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Welcome to my "Ignore" list which consists of 1.

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The trolls are getting trolled. There's a sweet justice there somewhere.....

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