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Damien 01-01-2017 09:57
New Years Honours List
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38470732

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Andy Murray, Mo Farah and Jessica Ennis-Hill are among the Olympic stars recognised in a New Year Honours list which also includes big names from the entertainment world.

Rio 2016 men's tennis champion Murray and double gold-winning athlete Farah receive knighthoods, while heptathlete Ennis-Hill becomes a dame.
A host of Paralympians also receive honours, including 11-times gold medallist dressage rider Lee Pearson who receives a knighthood.

Veteran comic Ken Dodd said he felt "highly tickled" to receive a knighthood at the age of 89.
Not an massive surprise Mo Farah and Andy Murray have Knighthoods.

denphone 01-01-2017 10:40
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Fully deserved IMO for their glorious sporting achievements.

Hom3r 01-01-2017 10:58
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Perhaps Sir Farah will get better treatment by customs officials now.

Arthurgray50@blu 01-01-2017 18:58
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I don't know why Andy Murray got a knighthood. This Honour stuff should be overhauld.

The honours should go to people, who have worked hard for charities - which get overlooked by this Government.

And yet a Tory, gets a Knighthood for pouring money into the Conservative Party.

martyh 01-01-2017 19:23
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35878745)
I don't know why Andy Murray got a knighthood. This Honour stuff should be overhauld.

The honours should go to people, who have worked hard for charities - which get overlooked by this Government.

And yet a Tory, gets a Knighthood for pouring money into the Conservative Party.
Of course the Labour party would never indulge in such a disgraceful activity would they ? :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 01-01-2017 20:19
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35878749)
Of course the Labour party would never indulge in such a disgraceful activity would they ? :rolleyes:
Even more reason to get rid of this outdated, corrupt, cronyism system then if they're all at it.

MalteseFalcon 01-01-2017 21:23
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35878679)
Fully deserved IMO for their glorious sporting achievements.
Sorry den, but why should they get rewarded for being good or better than others in a hobby? It's high time sports stars stopped getting honours, especially Sir and Dame as it cheapens the title imo.

martyh 01-01-2017 21:24
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35878758)
Even more reason to get rid of this outdated, corrupt, cronyism system then if they're all at it.
It is due an overhaul i agree .I also think that the idea of lumping lollypop ladies and carers in with bankers and politicians is very patronising .Are they there because the government really want to honour them for their services or as a sop to the public so they can continue to give their buddies honours

TheDaddy 01-01-2017 22:21
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35878766)
It is due an overhaul i agree .I also think that the idea of lumping lollypop ladies and carers in with bankers and politicians is very patronising .Are they there because the government really want to honour them for their services or as a sop to the public so they can continue to give their buddies honours
That's exactly what it is, a sop, an obe is practically worthless so it's okay to give it to a little old lady who has spent the last 30 years helping the disabled, she didn't expect it but is thrilled by the award but your senior civil servant who knows where the political bodies are buried does expect rewarding and with a knighthood he can get actual real money by selling his title to a multitude of dubious companies desperate to legitimise their activities with a knight on their letter heads. Same goes for political donations, they don't do it for their health so if they're not lobbying they will want something else for it, see how much they give if you try and fob one of them of with an mbe. The whole thing is rotten imo

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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35878765)
Sorry den, but why should they get rewarded for being good or better than others in a hobby? It's high time sports stars stopped getting honours, especially Sir and Dame as it cheapens the title imo.
So it can be used to disguise the honours real purposes to reward friends and cronies, the papers are full of film and sports stars instead of digging about who else got what and why

martyh 01-01-2017 22:35
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35878772)
That's exactly what it is, a sop, an obe is practically worthless so it's okay to give it to a little old lady who has spent the last 30 years helping the disabled, she didn't expect it but is thrilled by the award but your senior civil servant who knows where the political bodies are buried does expect rewarding and with a knighthood he can get actual real money by selling his title to a multitude of dubious companies desperate to legitimise their activities with a knight on their letter heads. Same goes for political donations, they don't do it for their health so if they're not lobbying they will want something else for it, see how much they give if you try and fob one of them of with an mbe. The whole thing is rotten imo[COLOR="Silver"]
pretty much bang on

Arthurgray50@blu 01-01-2017 23:00
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There is so much wrong with this honor crap. There are people that stand on corners of High Street to collect money for charities, that go unnoticed .

We have major stars that give money to thousands of charities each year, and get nothing. The good thing is no Ken Dodd. Who has so much for charities and the entertainment business. And he has finally got one.

I think anyone who pumps millions into Political Party, should be barred from getting honours. What the Queen could do each year, donate money to say 100 charities, out of all that money she gets. And scrap the Honours stuff.

Its obvious that the PM recommends to the Queen, and she agrees

Maggy 02-01-2017 09:22
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35878776)
There is so much wrong with this honor crap. There are people that stand on corners of High Street to collect money for charities, that go unnoticed .

We have major stars that give money to thousands of charities each year, and get nothing. The good thing is no Ken Dodd. Who has so much for charities and the entertainment business. And he has finally got one.

I think anyone who pumps millions into Political Party, should be barred from getting honours. What the Queen could do each year, donate money to say 100 charities, out of all that money she gets. And scrap the Honours stuff.

Its obvious that the PM recommends to the Queen, and she agrees
Ahem!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-38468138

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A 17-year-old who founded a campaign to end youth violence after a friend was murdered, is among the youngest people on the New Year Honours list.
Jeremiah Emmanuel, who is awarded the British Empire Medal, began volunteering aged just four.
At 13 he set up One Big Community to help young people find solutions to violence in their communities.

martyh 02-01-2017 09:45
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If we must honour politicians and bankers then i would like to see the honours for civilians like the above mentioned on a separate list .Having someone on the list getting a knighthood for basically doing their job seems at odds with someone who spent 30 yrs raising money for local charities

denphone 02-01-2017 09:47
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35878791)
Indeed there are some who are fully deserving of their honours.:tu:

tweetiepooh 03-01-2017 15:17
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I don't have an issue with sportsmen getting gongs but it shouldn't be simply for being good at it. They are rewarded for that already - well at least in professional sport. The should get honoured if after they leave the lime light they contribute to the sport by volunteering to coach at grass root level or campaigning to improve the sport and access to it.

So Murray should get a knighthood when he gets to say 60 or so and has spent 30 odd years helping get tennis into urban areas, bringing up new players to top standards not (just as) a pro coach but helping push it at lower levels.

Taf 03-01-2017 15:51
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Originally Posted by MarkC1984 (Post 35878765)
It's high time sports stars stopped getting honours, especially Sir and Dame as it cheapens the title imo.
:tu:

They are by-and-large professional sportspeople, and their job is to be the best they can achieve, so that they earn more and more. Not worthy of Honours at all, except by their own sport's governing bodies perhaps?

Damien 03-01-2017 22:14
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Aside from the gongs for politicians' friends and civil servants the system also recognises people who've contributed to society or those who've excelled in their profession. We award them to successful businessmen and women, successful inventors, scientists, entertainers and sportspeople along with many others.

I remember when a Brit winning Wimbledon as a pipe dream. Andy Murray has won it twice, and the US Open, two gold medals and is currently World No 1. The best tennis player in the world, the best British tennis player ever. He absolutely deserves to be Sir Andy Murray.

Mo Farah has won many gold medals in running, something we're not great at. He also has an amazing story being a immigrant from Somalia who came to this country, became British and became one of our best ever athletes. He too deserves it.

They are examples of the first of the two types of people the system should reward. Those who've excelled and those who've contributed. They're both excellent ambassadors for Britain.

Kursk 04-01-2017 00:03
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Do you think the aim of becoming 'excellent ambassadors for Britain' even crossed their minds when they started hitting a ball with a bat/began running around in circles? I suspect they did it (and do it) for more selfish, material aims.

What next Dame bake-a-cake or Sir Gogglebox?

The system is elitist and trivial claptrap imo.

TheDaddy 04-01-2017 00:12
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35879013)
Do you think the aim of becoming 'excellent ambassadors for Britain' even crossed their minds when they started hitting a ball with a bat/began running around in circles? I suspect they did it (and do it) for more selfish, material aims.

What next Dame bake-a-cake or Sir Gogglebox?

The system is elitist and trivial claptrap imo.
Claptrap is the perfect word, I was just sitting here reading that when it occurred to me how ludicrous it is, just imagine what johnny foreigner thinks when he hears and enquires what an obe is, they must wonder if we are aware the empire no longer exists.

Kursk 04-01-2017 00:41
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35879015)
.......johnny foreigner thinks when he hears and enquires what an obe is, they must wonder if we are aware the empire no longer exists.
They will think it is named after Sir Obe Aduba for services to Strictly. It' s only a matter of time before it happens :D

denphone 04-01-2017 07:14
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35879013)
Do you think the aim of becoming 'excellent ambassadors for Britain' even crossed their minds when they started hitting a ball with a bat/began running around in circles? I suspect they did it (and do it) for more selfish, material aims.

What next Dame bake-a-cake or Sir Gogglebox?

The system is elitist and trivial claptrap imo.
As usual your opinion is respected but many others share a differing opinion as the only thing that irritates me is politicians , political donators and obedient nodding donkeys who have done diddly squat for this country other then serve their own political and financial ends end up getting knighthoods.

TheDaddy 04-01-2017 07:54
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35878772)

So it can be used to disguise the honours real purposes to reward friends and cronies, the papers are full of film and sports stars instead of digging about who else got what and why
I hope these murmurings get so loud they can't be ignored and reform happens

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/252074...-honours-list/

Maggy 04-01-2017 09:07
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35879034)
As usual your opinion is respected but many others share a differing opinion as the only thing that irritates me is politicians , political donators and obedient nodding donkeys who have done diddly squat for this country other then serve their own political and financial ends end up getting knighthoods.
:tu:

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35879013)
Do you think the aim of becoming 'excellent ambassadors for Britain' even crossed their minds when they started hitting a ball with a bat/began running around in circles? I suspect they did it (and do it) for more selfish, material aims.

What next Dame bake-a-cake or Sir Gogglebox?

The system is elitist and trivial claptrap imo.
Haven't your efforts on behalf of society been acknowledged yet? Never mind, I'm sure your time will come..;)

heero_yuy 04-01-2017 09:08
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35879034)
As usual your opinion is respected but many others share a differing opinion as the only thing that irritates me is politicians , political donators and obedient nodding donkeys who have done diddly squat for this country other then serve their own political and financial ends end up getting knighthoods.
I give you Sir Ivan Rogers. :rolleyes:

Damien 04-01-2017 12:49
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35879013)
Do you think the aim of becoming 'excellent ambassadors for Britain' even crossed their minds when they started hitting a ball with a bat/began running around in circles? I suspect they did it (and do it) for more selfish, material aims.

What next Dame bake-a-cake or Sir Gogglebox?

The system is elitist and trivial claptrap imo.
They don't need to have had 'being ambassadors' as a motivation but they become so anyway. They receive the honours for excelling in their profession. This is the common purpose of a national honours system. France's Légion d'honneur has many sporting recipients as does America's Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The awards don't map exactly as those awards are higher than what most sports stars receive here (IIRC A Knighthood has levels within it) but still.

It's the default gongs for civil servants and friends of politicians that's the problem, not sport stars.

Kursk 04-01-2017 16:45
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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35879045)
Haven't your efforts on behalf of society been acknowledged yet? Never mind, I'm sure your time will come..;)
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35877961)
Mod Comment - and you need to focus on the debate, not the person.
Award yourself 3 infraction points Maggy :p:.

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35879047)
I give you Sir Ivan Rogers. :rolleyes:
Resigned before being booted and has acted like a child.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35879053)
They don't need to have had 'being ambassadors' as a motivation but they become so anyway. They receive the honours for excelling in their profession. This is the common purpose of a national honours system. France's Légion d'honneur has many sporting recipients as does America's Presidential Medal of Freedom.

The awards don't map exactly as those awards are higher than what most sports stars receive here (IIRC A Knighthood has levels within it) but still.

It's the default gongs for civil servants and friends of politicians that's the problem, not sport stars.
I'm sorry but it is tripe. I can sort of understand an award for, say, years of research for the betterment of society or lifesaving because you are motivated to help others or singular medical progression/success but running/rowing/batting/strutting just doesn't cut the mustard for me.

Some of the more recent awards have cheapened the honours so as to make them meaningless.

Maggy 15-01-2017 09:52
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http://www.private-eye.co.uk/issue-1435/news

A bit of fun..

Kursk 15-01-2017 18:47
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Jill Saward recently passed away. She waived her anonymity in a rape case to become a lifetime capaigner against sexual assault. She set up a help group for families, became a counsellor and donated her organs at death.

And the recognition for a lifetime of selfless service? Bugger all.

Keep batting balls and running in circles :no:

Mr K 29-12-2018 13:56
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John Redwood knighted. Has he done something I've missed? Thought he was just a mostly failed politician..

(There was the time he tried to sing the Welsh National anthem without knowing any Welsh, maybe the knighthood is for comedy :D)
https://youtu.be/GzBq0n8dxFQ

Damien 29-12-2018 14:12
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Good to see Christopher Nolan getting one, should have been sooner and higher IMO but oh well.

Ken W 29-12-2018 15:19
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35977204)
John Redwood knighted. Has he done something I've missed? Thought he was just a mostly failed politician..

(There was the time he tried to sing the Welsh National anthem without knowing any Welsh, maybe the knighthood is for comedy :D)
https://youtu.be/GzBq0n8dxFQ

He is a waste of space!

nomadking 29-12-2018 18:45
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Far too much filling of quotas.

Hom3r 29-12-2018 20:41
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It will be fun to see Elon Musk in court for calling Vern Unsworth a Peodo, and they say Vern Unsworth George Medal.

That will wipe the smug look of his fat face.

Julian 30-12-2018 00:17
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35977238)
Far too much filling of quotas.
Indeed.

See harry inarticulate kane for further details :rolleyes:

Most Bloody Embarrassing :td:

ianch99 30-12-2018 19:11
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The whole system needs replacing with something more aligned with merit. I mean the thing has a built-in class system FFS! I am deemed worthy by the Nation .. but not as worthy as some. I know my place :) The whole thing is a historical anachronism and should be put in a museum where it belongs.

Some of the reasons why some recipients have turned down an award:

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_...British_honour

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People may reject state honours for various reasons, among which are:

Opposition to specific governmental actions or policy.
Republicanism and anti-monarchism.
Inappropriate due to the nature of the individual's work or position, or would attract unwanted attention.
Personal opinion of pretension.
Anti-imperialism or general unwillingness to be associated with the former British Empire (especially with regards to the Orders of the British Empire, e.g. CBE, OBE, MBE acceptance of which must imply some approval or, at least, neutrality towards.)
Inadequate recognition of the individual or a spouse, partner, friend or colleague.
The archaic nature of the honour, notably with regards to peerages, knighthoods and baronetcies, or that honours conferring titles are meaningless in a modern society.
Feelings that the honours system both reflects and reinforces social class distinctions, and diminishes the chance of a more equal and fairer society.
Biased nature of the honours system, or feelings that undeserving people have been decorated.
To hide real wealth and business connections from the public realm.


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