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Raider999 29-12-2016 22:59

V6 known problems
 
Hi, I'm new to this forum and thinking of moving to virgin from sky.

I understand the V6 box is new, but are there any known problems I should be aware of?

djmagnifique 30-12-2016 00:23

Re: V6 known problems
 
Maybe have a look in the V6 box issues thread.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...php?t=33704170

Raider999 30-12-2016 01:03

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djmagnifique (Post 35878332)
Maybe have a look in the V6 box issues thread.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...php?t=33704170

Not a lot in that thread - surely someone must have encountered problems other than movies not all in HD?

Mr Banana 30-12-2016 08:53

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878333)
Not a lot in that thread - surely someone must have encountered problems other than movies not all in HD?

Mine works fine no issues at all. Have connected via power line.

Raider999 30-12-2016 09:58

Re: V6 known problems
 
That is good to hear.

A few questions I have:

1. Can you set manual recordings (i.e. 7pm to 11:45pm on bbc1 irrespective of the EPG)?

2. Can you customise the EPG to show only your favourite channels?

3. Can you add a number of minutes before and after recordings?

4. If so, Can you specify the number of minutes or is it fixed?

5. The write-up says you can download 'some' recordings to 'compatible' tablets. Any idea which recordings you can/cannot download and is the ipad2 compatible?

6. Is it possible to either get a V6 with more than 1Tb disk space, or is it possible to upgrade it yourself?

7. Can you view/record sky sports in UHD?

8. Is it possible to reduce space taken by a recording by editing the recording i.e to remove before/after and half time in a football match? (This is possible on my Panasonic recorder)

I am sure I will have others before I decide but am grateful for any replies.

BenMcr 30-12-2016 10:40

Re: V6 known problems
 
1. Yes
2. Yes, there is a favourites category
3. Yes
4. You can customise the minutes
5. The list for the avaliable channels to stream and download recordings is here for iOS. The iPad 2 is compatible
6. No
7. No as Sky haven't made their UHD content available to anyone else yet
8. No

Raider999 30-12-2016 13:06

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 35878345)
1. Yes
2. Yes, there is a favourites category
3. Yes
4. You can customise the minutes
5. The list for the avaliable channels to stream and download recordings is here for iOS. The iPad 2 is compatible
6. No
7. No as Sky haven't made their UHD content available to anyone else yet
8. No

Thanks for the prompt reply, this clarifies most of my queries, apart from the downloadable channels - there is no mention of sky sports or BT sports channels either way.

These are the channels I would mostly want to download - Are you able to download these?

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Is it possible to view content on the V6 box on a tv in a different room to the v6 box by using some sort of video sender?

spiderplant 30-12-2016 14:24

Re: V6 known problems
 
You can't currently download Sky or BT Sports recordings to an iPad. But you can stream them from one TiVo to another.

A video sender wouldn't be easy to connect to a V6 because it doesn't have a SCART video output. But if you have a second TiVo (either a V6 or one of the older boxes), you can stream content from one to the other.

RichardCoulter 30-12-2016 14:52

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878333)
Not a lot in that thread - surely someone must have encountered problems other than movies not all in HD?

A central thread has already been created to collate any V6 issues:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...php?t=33704015

Raider999 30-12-2016 17:15

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35878378)
You can't currently download Sky or BT Sports recordings to an iPad. But you can stream them from one TiVo to another.

A video sender wouldn't be easy to connect to a V6 because it doesn't have a SCART video output. But if you have a second TiVo (either a V6 or one of the older boxes), you can stream content from one to the other.

I'm confused as the v6 box has a socket on the back which is labelled as scart (although it isn't a big clunky one like sky+HD has - more of a roundish one - new scart format or mislabelled?

The V6 box also has a usb port - chap in virgin shop says you can move recordings onto a subsidiary disk to save space then retrieve them later to watch.

Is this true or sales talk?

jb66 30-12-2016 17:37

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878401)
I'm confused as the v6 box has a socket on the back which is labelled as scart (although it isn't a big clunky one like sky+HD has - more of a roundish one - new scart format or mislabelled?

The V6 box also has a usb port - chap in virgin shop says you can move recordings onto a subsidiary disk to save space then retrieve them later to watch.

Is this true or sales talk?

Sales talk

Taf 30-12-2016 17:48

Re: V6 known problems
 
A round SCART socket? :confused:

SCART (from Syndicat des Constructeurs d'Appareils Radiorécepteurs et Téléviseurs – Radio and Television Receiver Manufacturers' Association) is a French-originated standard and associated 21-pin connector for connecting audio-visual (AV) equipment.

^^^ now you know who to blame for such a cr@p connector style ^^^ ;)

spiderplant 30-12-2016 17:52

Re: V6 known problems
 
The SCART socket is intended for use in countries where HDMI isn't common. It's not enabled when the box is running TiVo software.

jb66 30-12-2016 18:52

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35878407)
The SCART socket is intended for use in countries where HDMI isn't common. It's not enabled when the box is running TiVo software.

Why not just enable it anyway?

OhReally 30-12-2016 20:17

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35878416)
Why not just enable it anyway?

Because then we might use it :D

On a serious note if the hardware is already built in, apart from spitefulness why isn't it enabled?

mhatter67 30-12-2016 20:50

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35878442)
Because then we might use it :D

On a serious note if the hardware is already built in, apart from spitefulness why isn't it enabled?

Interesting that would upset a few people who like to archive recordings for personal use, but do not realise this disabled in the new box!

Raider999 30-12-2016 21:02

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35878457)
Interesting that would upset a few people who like to archive recordings for personal use, but do not realise this disabled in the new box!

Indeed - one of several reasons I do not want to 'upgrade' from sky+HD to SkyQ - it hasn't got a scart socket at all!

Nice to see sky aren't the only ones who put connections on their boxes but don't enable their use.

What it really needs is a DVD recorder with hdmi throughput - definitely a market for it!

passingbat 30-12-2016 21:19

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878464)

What it really needs is a DVD recorder with hdmi throughput - definitely a market for it!


I suspect that the content providers are stopping that ever happening. I believe that they are the ones trying to eliminate scart; they want a copy protected connection chain.

RobboEdin 30-12-2016 21:30

Re: V6 known problems
 
..and, of course, SCART is SD - do we really need that in this age of HD and 4K TV sets?

mhatter67 30-12-2016 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35878470)
I suspect that the content providers are stopping that ever happening. I believe that they are the ones trying to eliminate scart; they want a copy protected connection chain.

Platform providers think WHY does anyone in the 21st century want to archive a SD recording of a programme anymore, there is on demand, large hard drives in the PVR and streaming services!

Raider999 30-12-2016 22:12

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mhatter67 (Post 35878479)
Platform providers think WHY does anyone in the 21st century want to archive a SD recording of a programme anymore, there is on demand, large hard drives in the PVR and streaming services!


As a sports viewer, catch-up sucks with only a couple of minutes highlights per match - doesn't do it for me (what would film buffs say if catch-up offered them 4 minutes highlights of a film?)

Large hard drives in the PVR- 1Tb really? Very surprised the drive isn't at least 2Tb to match SkyQ if not 4Tb.

I put 1Tb drives in each of my 1st generation sky+HD boxes many years ago.

OhReally 30-12-2016 23:13

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35878475)
..and, of course, SCART is SD - do we really need that in this age of HD and 4K TV sets?

Because millions of us don't rush and buy the latest "shiny" that's why. My current tv is nearly five years old and won't be changed until it finally gives up the ghost, last one we got nearly 10 years out of.

Must be nice to have so much money to dispose of expensive electronics that work perfectly well because of a perceived "missing out".

4K content? Never mind that the laws of physics suggest that unless you are sitting about 2 inches from the screen the eye is physically incapable of telling the difference...

...it's all marketing hype, who here who rushed out to get a 4k telly also bought into the 3d hype of a couple of years ago and also rushed out to buy one of those?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878484)
As a sports viewer, catch-up sucks with only a couple of minutes highlights per match - doesn't do it for me (what would film buffs say if catch-up offered them 4 minutes highlights of a film?)

Large hard drives in the PVR- 1Tb really? Very surprised the drive isn't at least 2Tb to match SkyQ if not 4Tb.

I put 1Tb drives in each of my 1st generation sky+HD boxes many years ago.

Fully agree, 1TB is small nowadays. 8tb is freely available and 12tb have been announced.

How much space does 4k take up :D

passingbat 31-12-2016 00:24

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35878475)
..and, of course, SCART is SD - do we really need that in this age of HD and 4K TV sets?


I doubt that you will ever be allowed to archive in HD, therefore SD is better than nothing. Unless you are viewing on a massive screen, SD can be quite acceptable. Yes, HD is obviously better, but to refuse to watch something in SD is crazy.

Raider999 31-12-2016 00:30

Re: V6 known problems
 
There are a number of TiVo boxes for sale on EBay, are they legitimate?

If they are ok and I bought one would I just be able to connect it and use it?

Basically thinking of sending recording from V6 to the TiVo to be able to use it's scart to copy to DVD recorder (for my personal use only)

passingbat 31-12-2016 00:35

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35878495)

4K content? Never mind that the laws of physics suggest that unless you are sitting about 2 inches from the screen the eye is physically incapable of telling the difference...


Spot on. At typical household viewing distances, it has been calculated that you need a screen 65" or above to see a significant PQ improvement.


However HDR seems to be limited to 4k sets only, and that would be effective on any screen size.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raider999 (Post 35878516)
There are a number of TiVo boxes for sale on EBay, are they legitimate?

)


No.

heero_yuy 31-12-2016 11:15

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobboEdin (Post 35878475)
..and, of course, SCART is SD - do we really need that in this age of HD and 4K TV sets?

I do use the SCART SD (RGB video) to my DVD / HDD recorder/player and via RF modulator to numerous small SD sets around the house and the TV card in my main PC. It's a useful feature so why deliberately disable it unless it's the will of the content providers?

OLD BOY 31-12-2016 12:46

Re: V6 known problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OhReally (Post 35878495)

Fully agree, 1TB is small nowadays. 8tb is freely available and 12tb have been announced.

How much space does 4k take up :D

That is the one thing about the V6 that disappoints me. I was expecting a 2TB version, but it didn't materialise.

1TB gives you a mere 100 hours worth of HD recordings, so record a 22 part series of The Blacklist in HD, and that's virtually a quarter of your disk space taken up.

I've had to get round this by ordering a second v6 to give me 200 hours for HD, plus a DVD recorder, which gives me an additional 300 hours.

So once I get the new boxes delivered next month, my 500 hours of SD recordings that I normally rely on can be 500 hours in HD.

UHD recordings? I don't think I will ever record in UHD because it will simply take up far too much space on the HDD. We may find that UHD content is only accessed via on demand anyway, which removes that particular problem. I just hope that the powers that be permit us sufficient time to watch on demand material in the future. It often takes me a year to watch anything with the backlog of recordings I accrue.


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