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RichardCoulter 25-08-2016 05:25

Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Met a friend at a BBQ over the weekend that I hadn't seen for years.

He said that ages ago, he switched from Sky to VM and that as part of the installation service, they offered to tidy up his property by removing the now redundant satellite dish. I guess that this made sound business sense.

I just wondered if they still did this; although with the advent of Freesat, things are different now.

jb66 25-08-2016 05:35

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Never happened

MutleyF 25-08-2016 07:07

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
I'd be very surprised if this was actually true Richard.

For one thing, they would have a no un-necessary working at height rule in place, plus the time that is actually taken to remove someone else's property would mean less time for further new Virgin installations that day.

I suppose it could be an isolated case that the engineer did out of the kindness of his heart, but I can't see it being normal behaviour.

djfunkdup 25-08-2016 09:19

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MutleyF (Post 35855852)
I'd be very surprised if this was actually true Richard.

Apply that logic to 94% of the stuff the dude says and your on the right course :D

alwaysabear 25-08-2016 09:31

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35855841)
Met a friend at a BBQ over the weekend that I hadn't seen for years.

He said that ages ago, he switched from Sky to VM and that as part of the installation service, they offered to tidy up his property by removing the now redundant satellite dish. I guess that this made sound business sense.

I just wondered if they still did this; although with the advent of Freesat, things are different now.

Yep this happened with me when I switched from Sky to Telewest about 20 years ago.

Stephen 25-08-2016 09:46

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
I have never heard of this happening. Not in the last 15 years anyway.

Its not their equipment so they shouldn't be touching it.

Sirius 25-08-2016 11:05

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35855881)
I have never heard of this happening. Not in the last 15 years anyway.

Its not their equipment so they shouldn't be touching it.

It was done in the early days of Nynex but it was not the dish they collected but intead it was the old sky settop box. The campain was called "dump the dish" and if you let them take the settop away you did not pay for install.

MutleyF 25-08-2016 11:17

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Then I stand corrected ... live and learn !

greeninferno 25-08-2016 11:41

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
A sky installer was about to snip a freeview wire i had while he was installing with the phrase " you won't be needing this any more"

aye right,

alwaysabear 25-08-2016 12:06

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35855881)
I have never heard of this happening. Not in the last 15 years anyway.

Its not their equipment so they shouldn't be touching it.

At the time I was happy to see the back of the dish as it was quiet big.

RichardCoulter 25-08-2016 13:09

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by djfunkdup (Post 35855876)
Apply that logic to 94% of the stuff the dude says and your on the right course :D

How would you know, were you at the BBQ too :dunce:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35855881)
I have never heard of this happening. Not in the last 15 years anyway.

Its not their equipment so they shouldn't be touching it.

Apparently, they did ask for permission first.

Thanks to those that confirmed this, I didn't think that he was lying, but I'd never heard of this before so thought I'd ask the forum.

I believe he was in a former NTL franchise.

johnathome 25-08-2016 16:49

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
When i cancelled BT and went with Nynex BT did a total disconnection of the line and told me i'd have to pay a new install cost if i wanted to go back with them.

Talk about cutting your nose off! The result was i haven't gone back to them for over 25 years :)

Although it's cheaper to get a new line installed now and if i wanted fibre it's a new install anyway.

Stephen 25-08-2016 16:54

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
How would fibre be a new install over ADSL?

It would just use the same phone line/socket...

RichardCoulter 25-08-2016 17:00

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35855962)
When i cancelled BT and went with Nynex BT did a total disconnection of the line and told me i'd have to pay a new install cost if i wanted to go back with them.

Talk about cutting your nose off! The result was i haven't gone back to them for over 25 years :)

Although it's cheaper to get a new line installed now and if i wanted fibre it's a new install anyway.

When I started using cable 16 years ago BT removed the line not too long afterwards.

A tenant answered the door when I wasn't in and was asked if the line was still in use and if not, could they remove it.

He told them no and that they could! I would have preferred that it stayed in case I wanted to ever return without paying the full installation charge.

I would have argued that he did not have the authority to authorise this should I have needed a phone line again.

Doesn't really matter though, as I believe that Sky reimburse customers without a phone line.

dilli-theclaw 25-08-2016 17:02

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35855965)
How would fibre be a new install over ADSL?

It would just use the same phone line/socket...

dunno about the rest but when bt installed my fibre here they installed / replaced my master socket with one that had a phone / internet socket on the front.

admars 25-08-2016 19:58

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
when my parents when from Sky to Videotron (which became NTL, and later Virgin) they never touched the sky dish.

Similarly when we moved into this house, and got cable installed a day later, the NTL engineers didn't touch the BT phone line, just added their own, however, I think they did say that some engineers do use the existing internal BT fitted phone cabling, but they shouldn't really.

RichardCoulter 25-08-2016 20:08

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by admars (Post 35856005)
when my parents when from Sky to Videotron (which became NTL, and later Virgin) they never touched the sky dish.

Similarly when we moved into this house, and got cable installed a day later, the NTL engineers didn't touch the BT phone line, just added their own, however, I think they did say that some engineers do use the existing internal BT fitted phone cabling, but they shouldn't really.

NTL never touched or asked to take down my Sky dish, but I did tell them that I would still be using satellite as a back up (been useful twice when VM has gone down) and for the extra channels, so maybe that's why.

They brought the phone in completely separate to the BT socket.

johnathome 25-08-2016 20:13

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35855965)
How would fibre be a new install over ADSL?

It would just use the same phone line/socket...

Having never really looked into any other BB suppliers, or how it works, i assumed to get the 76Mb that it says i could get it would be FTTP?

That Guy 01-09-2016 19:31

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
By Law any telecoms provider cannot disconnect a BT line.
as for sky dishes as an ex service engineer sometimes we removed them out of goodness of heart, sometimes to get the sky+ stb as the hard drive can be striped and sold. a spare dish or lmb always came in handy if doing a freesat or sky repair on the side.

Skie 01-09-2016 19:38

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
A few years after we left BT to go to Telewest there was work going on in the street that required them to take the phone pole down for a few days. After the work was done BT reconnected everyone still with BT but those with cable were never re-connected.

That Guy 01-09-2016 19:44

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Skie (Post 35857287)
A few years after we left BT to go to Telewest there was work going on in the street that required them to take the phone pole down for a few days. After the work was done BT reconnected everyone still with BT but those with cable were never re-connected.

Either BT or a BT contractor would have completed the works, they would only re-connect an active customer as a cost saving exercise. however a non customer would be entitled to a reconnect FOC.

RichardCoulter 01-09-2016 21:02

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy (Post 35857293)
Either BT or a BT contractor would have completed the works, they would only re-connect an active customer as a cost saving exercise. however a non customer would be entitled to a reconnect FOC.

As I posted earlier, a similar thing happened to me.

If I went back to BT, would it be free then?

It might be easier than getting Sky to pay for it.

telegramsam 04-09-2016 18:35

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
The only experience I've had of Virgin 'interfeing' with something not belonging to them was when an engineer tidied up my bt phone wires outside the house.
My sister when she switched from Sky to Virgin ,the engineer installing her tivo box 'kindly' offered to take her Sky box away for her! I was rather annoyed with them as he,in my opinion took advantage of her naivity.

jb66 04-09-2016 18:43

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by telegramsam (Post 35857765)
The only experience I've had of Virgin 'interfeing' with something not belonging to them was when an engineer tidied up my bt phone wires outside the house.
My sister when she switched from Sky to Virgin ,the engineer installing her tivo box 'kindly' offered to take her Sky box away for her! I was rather annoyed with them as he,in my opinion took advantage of her naivity.

Under the WEEE directive Virgin technicians are obliged to take sky boxes for recycling if asked, also routers/hubs from other providers

telegramsam 04-09-2016 22:25

Re: Do VM still take down Sky dishes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jb66 (Post 35857768)
Under the WEEE directive Virgin technicians are obliged to take sky boxes for recycling if asked, also routers/hubs from other providers

The impresion I got from my sister was that he offered to 'take it off her hands' and my thinking was that he wanted it for himself which could then be sold on ebay. If that wasn't the case then fair enough.


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