Controversial bag charge a success as shoppers will use 6 billion fewer plastic bags
 

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-07-30/c...ags-this-year/
1) wht about the companies that make plastic bags. What about the staff. Have they had to lay off staff due to this.

2) Many shops are making the 5p charge a farcical one. No matter hw small

There is only two snags over this ludicrous charge. And obsession on making money for the Government.
the bag is. You still get charged 5p.
I have seen customers at my local Tesco/ Asda walking out of shops with the shopping in the hands. And even baskets with tags on, to stop people taking them.

3) If l buy 60/70 quid's worth of goods in a store - why should l have to pay 5p for a bag to put them in.

Totally ridiculous:(

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You should do what I do. kick up a stink and cause a scene about not wanting to pay for some bags when you've spent all that money already. the cashier usually just gives you the bags for free. or the little old lady behind you gives you 30p for some bags.

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Gary. I like that.
My wife walks away when l kick up fuss about the charge. I think its great. As everyone knows around us, that l am kicking up a fuss. As l think the charge is stupid.

What l think is that the stupid thing they do about placing tags on baskets. What about the trollies you see bout your house or on the corner. Where people have walked out of the shop and down the road with the trolley.

And the sign that says ' you cannot take trollies past this point' and you see the trolley in the car park

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When you get home, what happens to the carrier bag Arthur?

I'm not talking about immediately, more the following 5000 years.......

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Don't be such a tightwad Arthur, it's only 5p per bag. You can easily avoid the charge by taking a bag with you when you shop :sleep:.

Wales, Scotland and NI have been charging for plastic bags for years and the environment is noticeably better for it. No plastic bags in hedgerows, floating in the sea or blowing around your town when discarded by louts.

I think it's good to make people think twice about littering.

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Arthur I'll let you in on a closely guarded secret ok you ready......pay 10p and get the reusable bag over the course of a year it works out at virtually nothing now go and find something to occupy yourself and stop getting worked up over absolutely nothing. Or don't but please stop making threads about trivial stupidity.

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Most "plastic" one-trip bags are now made with corn starch and degrade very quickly with minimal effect on the environment.

The charge is also levies on paper bags.

This is a nod to "environmentalists" who are in most part "mentalists".

Reusing bags is liable to expose many people to various maladies.

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:clap:

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I take my carrier bags.

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Arthur just buy these like I did.I never,ever have to worry about plastic bags ever again in my life.. bags have actually become currency among my OH's gardening mates because they are useful for handing out the veg they grow to the community.

http://www.lakeland.co.uk/24862/4-Re...ey-Bags---Deep

Carrier

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We have countless bags for life in our car as its very easy and cheap to make little changes which all in all in all will improve the environment for us all.

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I have several "Bags for life" from Sainsbury's. When one gets worn out they'll swap it for a new one for free and re-cycle the old one. They're strong and have decent handles and it's no sweat to remember to take them with you. Just get into the habit.

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What about the environmental impact of six billion extra bags? Recycling them helps, but it's not a magic bullet.
How so? It's working well near where I live, and where I work. The small shops are giving out bags for free, and the chains aren't.
Money that can be spent on, ohh, hospitals, schools etc. Despite what you say, the government making money is not necessarily a bad thing, and they have one major source of income. The tax payer. Like it or not, a large percentage of the government's income comes from individual people like you and me paying our taxes. Yes, corporations should pay more tax than they do, but that's not going to diminish the percentage of tax paid by the individual much.
Carrying shopping out in your hands is not necessarily a bad thing. If you can carry it in your hands, why do you need a bag, plastic or otherwise?

Baskets only cost the supermarket a few pounds, but theft is theft, and if someone nicks a basket, that means that possibly quite a few people will not have a basket with which to do their shopping for a few days.
If you spend £60 or £70 worth of goods in a store, you can re-use old bags (as the law is designed to encourage), or the extra 20 or 30 p for bags isn't going to make much difference.

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Paper bags are significantly heavier than plastic ones and therefore have a greater environmental cost in their transport, not to mention the tree-felling and bleaching that goes on during manufacture. They are also single use.

I've been re-using the same machine washable woven polyester carrier bags for a year now and haven't contracted any bizarre skin complaints yet.

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Same here.

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Somehow I get the feeling that most of Arthur's OP is not factually accurate and also I am sure I have seen it posted before?

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https://www.gov.uk/government/public...harge-for-bags

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Ok indeed Arthur already started a thread on the same subject.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...es-page-6.html

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And the store glossy magazines? Lots of trees in them...

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There's a cost to everything. The issue here is the balance between cost and benefit, and whether something can be done differently. A single use paper bag is a trivial item that can be easily replaced with a reusable one made of polyester weave. A glossy magazine can't be replaced, even by a tablet, given the way it is used.

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The charge is long overdue, but there are always those looking to profit. Notice the pound shops are now charging 10p for slightly better bags rather than their usual 5p rubbish, deliberately designed to last for 2 mins. Wonder if all this 10p is going to 'environmental causes'? Once the principle of a charge has been introduced, it's easily increased/added to.

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There is no actual legal requirement for any shop that charges for a bag to pass the charge on to anywhere else.

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...s-will-be-used

The first report is now available via the above page ( https://www.gov.uk/government/public...rom-the-scheme )

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10p each?!

Do the pound shops sell a box of 100 carrier bags for £1?

Why not?

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The only money the government is the VAT the rest is mostly donated to charity or good causes

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a6679811.html


Incidentally only shops with more that 250 employees are forced by law to charge

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Interesting, I wasn't aware of that.

Incidentally, Ocado & Morrisons online customers are charged, but any bags returned are credited back to their account ;)

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We bought the heavy duty bags that Tesco & Salisbury's do, they've cost about £3 but will last many years.

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I must say it's such hard work being forced to either think about taking bags when going shopping or having to cope with the huge cost of buying a couple. I don't know how I've coped without being forced to use the local food bank...

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Tesco have a set a charge for bags for home delivery even if none are used I was told recently.

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Unless the shopper selects 'bagless delivery'.

http://www.tesco.com/groceries/zones...gless-delivery

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They all do this AFAIK, I guess it would be simply too administrative to literally count how many bags each customer uses.

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no they don't ,look up :rolleyes:

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I get a refund each week from Morrisons for returning the previous weeks bags (online, home delivery).

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When I were a lad we used to get a couple of pennies for every glass lemonade bottle we returned to the shop.

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I can raise your lemonade bottle to a soda syphon which was 7s 6d return on each bottle! Yes, best part of a ten bob note :)

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In Scotland at least, online shops have a deal whereby they're allowed to make a flat charge for bags (40p I think) on the basis that it is too much of an administrative burden to count the bags used in each delivery. However Asda and Sainsburys, the ones I've used so far, both allow you to choose whether you want bags or not during the checkout process.

We always choose bagless, then we meet them at the kitchen door with a couple of ikea sacks. The shopping gets transferred to those, and the driver goes on his merry way.

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Wow it's a nice change to see such a positive thread title from the OP I must say... :D

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It is obvious to most people that I was referring to those customers that don't choose bagless deliveries.

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I've just started using Ocado again after a break. The order came with a bag charge for the number of bags they were going to use, but as I used my own bags instead, it was refunded from the shopping total the same day and before the bill was taken from my card.

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It's Ocado who deliver on behalf of Morrisons, so that's why both systems are alike.

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By heck you are obviously getting closer to pensioner age then.;)

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In the old days pop, milk and medicine bottles were routinely recycled.

Newspapers were used as toilet roll and for fish & chips etc.

Most people took a shopping bag or basket when they went shopping.

Recycling isn't new, but plastic bottles, carrier bags etc are!

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Tesco's cheapest carrier bag to cost 10p.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40848779

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Still wont stop me from using them.

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Nor us.

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I have almost always used my own bag.

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So basically they are out to make more money off their own bags.

I dont use Tesco anyway as they are expensive, this seems another reason to avoid them.

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I wouldn't say they are out to make money as after VAT s deducted from the bag charge whats left either goes to Charity or at least part of it.

They are just trying to stop people using the single use bags and make them reuse the bags for life.

From the UK GOV site

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People dont carry "bags for life" around with them on the off chance they might pop into a shop. Its just a way to make more money of such people.

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Women do, and they do 99% of the shopping ;)

It's so much better without all those discarded plastic bags blowing around everywhere. If you bought a newspaper, they'd put it in a bag; if you bought a DVD, it was put in a bag; if you bought a bag, it was put in a bag. Utter nonsense.

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I reuse 5p bags as kitchen bin liners, so they are of use.

However all 5p bags are not the same. The Poundland version disintegrates as soon as you get out of the shop. Where as an M&S 5p bag is sturdy, worth every penny and is my proudest possession ;)

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Wrong twice in one sentance - well done :dunce:

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Bag snob. You need to be gender confirmed Ms K! :p:

You mean 'sentence'. Wrong once in seven words - well done :dunce:

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Men are at a disadvantage as far as bags are concerned. Women have handbags in which they keep God knows what, and a extra sneaky bag or 2. Men just have pockets which are already full wallet/keys/phone. The 5p charge is sexual discrimination. ( the exception is those blokes with 'man' bags, but they're just weird....)

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We need a petition - LGBTQIABAG4LIFE:D

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My dad always has so me in his car no and I keep one in my rucksack just i ncase. However when I head out to the supermarket I always take some with me.

I think a lot of people now know to take them when going shopping.

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Except that the profit goes to charity not to the shop.
We keep a few bags in the car just in case, although it's a petrol car, not electric.

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Rucksacks are the male equivalent of handbags for the moment and you can get plenty of bags for life in one.

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I went through a womans bag to see what they have in them once. you'd be both shocked and excited to hear exactly what.
I'll let you all in on the secret if you send me 10p.

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Mines a typo, yours are actually wrong :dozey:

Great for you. I know people who dont.

No it doesnt, the legally required charge goes to the shop, they then donate it (if they wish, its "expected" but I dont think its an actual legal requirement).
Also, the legally required charge is for "non-reusable bags (single-use bags)" - which bags for life clearly are not, so thay dont have to record the sales, or donate any of it.

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You mean 'Mine's' a typo. :dozey:

Women have adapted quickly to a simple but worthwhile change that's beneficial to the environment; some men, it would seem, prefer to have a free plastic bag to throw away as is their 'right' :monkey:

Or, put your shopping straight in the rucksack ;)

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Not if the rucksack already has stuff in it. So carrying 1 or 2 bags for life is always useful.

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Yep, as you say, a lot of people know to take them when going shopping.

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Nope, I did not. :sleep:

I'm quite sure everyone would like them to be free, not really sure what you point is.

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Never been able to work out what happens if you have no bags with a shopping delivery. Must be a bit of a palaver unloading shopping item by item, rather than bagful by bagful. Had a delivery recently(first in a couple of years) and with bags it was simpler to unload a bags with several items in them. The delivery guy was behind with his schedule as it was.

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Top of the class yet again for all the wrong reasons.

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Good grief more insults as we are doing rather well on this thread as soon you will overtake somebody else on here and go to the top of the class.:rolleyes:

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Some people can turn a relatively innocuous topic into an argument just for the sake of it.

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I load my shopping into my trolley and transfer it to the boot of my car, no plastic bag need.

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Done - please send me your account details.

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Good grief Den, get a sense of humour ! :) Maybe i should use the smilies more, but I don't really like them :cool::rolleyes::p::D:dozey:

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I always leave a few BFLs in my rucsac... but someone keeps taking them out! :mad:

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'My point' is that the introduction of the charge has drastically reduced the amount of unnecessary plastic waste in our immediate environment. So, no, not everyone would like them to be free.

Aww, bless 'is cotton socks; Den don't mean no 'arm guv. He always posts a strong opinion just after someone else does...

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I must say, I think that there is a black cloud of depression hanging over Den currently. I'll have to think of something to cheer him up!

To be honest, I was annoyed at the bag charges when they first came in, but I have to admit that I find the bags for life much easier.

I'll give the Green brigade that one.

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I carry mine in the boot of my car, or if I'm going to a supermarket in town on the bus, I take a couple with me.

It's just a case of getting in the habit in the end.