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Ddonald2016 12-08-2016 20:21

How much do we think V6 will really cost
 
Well here is the thing how much will the new TiVo cost, I have some guesses and select one for each box

veeemmm 12-08-2016 20:32

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I guess once enough people have have paid, the new box will be forcibly turned into Horizon or whatever their new platform is that is being developed and within another year those still plodding along with the current Tivo will be "encouraged" to upgrade so Virgin can end any remaining agreements with outside sources, if there are any TV customer left.

Ddonald2016 12-08-2016 21:18

Re: How much do we think V6 will really cost
 
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Originally Posted by veeemmm (Post 35853740)
I guess once enough people have have paid, the new box will be forcibly turned into Horizon or whatever their new platform is that is being developed and within another year those still plodding along with the current Tivo will be "encouraged" to upgrade so Virgin can end any remaining agreements with outside sources, if there are any TV customer left.

They admitted that the new box will be able to migrate over to horizon software overnight. Until the price drops from the sources I wouldn't. If it is really £199 when sky don't charge for the box that's ripping off

1andrew1 12-08-2016 21:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by veeemmm (Post 35853740)
I guess once enough people have have paid, the new box will be forcibly turned into Horizon or whatever their new platform is that is being developed and within another year those still plodding along with the current Tivo will be "encouraged" to upgrade so Virgin can end any remaining agreements with outside sources, if there are any TV customer left.

I'm sure that in time, everyone will have the new box and then the software will be altered to Horizon. I've heard that by this stage, Horizon will aim to incorporate elements of Tivo software via licensing so that the difference between Tivo- and Horizon-powered boxes will not be so pronounced.
I've also heard that XL customers will "be happy with the box's new pricing", whatever that means! More guesswork I suspect! If anyone else hears similar I still suggest that we just wait patiently for VM's official announcements.

offmore 12-08-2016 21:42

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do we pay extra for current TiVo box ? can not just remember

Hugh 12-08-2016 21:48

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We are hypothesising with insufficient information, which leads to sub-optimal interpretations...

Ddonald2016 12-08-2016 22:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by offmore (Post 35853745)
do we pay extra for current TiVo box ? can not just remember

Yeah you pay £5.50 for first TiVo and £11.50 for any additional TiVo

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35853744)
I'm sure that in time, everyone will have the new box and then the software will be altered to Horizon. I've heard that by this stage, Horizon will aim to incorporate elements of Tivo software via licensing so that the difference between Tivo- and Horizon-powered boxes will not be so pronounced.
I've also heard that XL customers will "be happy with the box's new pricing", whatever that means! More guesswork I suspect! If anyone else hears similar I still suggest that we just wait patiently for VM's official announcements.

Well I think on XL virgin will have access to a raft of UHD on demand included, and that the £199 is better value if your on XL

Paul 12-08-2016 22:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853746)
We are hypothesising with insufficient information, which leads to sub-optimal interpretations...

You're just guessing.....

1andrew1 12-08-2016 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853748)
Well I think on XL virgin will have access to a raft of UHD on demand included, and that the £199 is better value if your on XL

I think all the packages are being changed anyway so talk of XL may be less relevant by December.

Stephen 12-08-2016 23:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853746)
We are hypothesising with insufficient information, which leads to sub-optimal interpretations...

You sound like a Vulcan lol.

RichardCoulter 12-08-2016 23:44

Re: How much do we think V6 will really cost
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853746)
We are hypothesising with insufficient information, which leads to sub-optimal interpretations...

I agree. By all means discuss the rumoured pricing, but a poll based on hypothetical prices is a complete and utter waste of time.

blue666666 13-08-2016 00:58

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4k box for 49 pounds and 7 a month would be great and a lot of people would getone

Hugh 13-08-2016 07:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35853752)
You're just guessing.....

:D

Ddonald2016 13-08-2016 08:01

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35853762)
I agree. By all means discuss the rumoured pricing, but a poll based on hypothetical prices is a complete and utter waste of time.

Not at all this is a little bit of fun and virgin source do view this, they might see what customers will pay

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Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35853764)
4k box for 49 pounds and 7 a month would be great and a lot of people would getone

The idea is the higher upfront the lower the fee

spiderplant 13-08-2016 08:11

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853779)
Not at all this is a little bit of fun and virgin source do view this, they might see what customers will pay

Virgin will have already done LOTS of research into what people will pay.

It's already been announced that the V6 will support 4K, so that's your first four options out of the window.

alwaysabear 13-08-2016 08:12

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I shall do what I have always done sit tight for at least a year so the bugs can be ironed out, possibly even a lower price for switching, just like TiVo.;)

denphone 13-08-2016 08:18

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35853784)
Virgin will have already done LOTS of research into what people will pay.

It's already been announced that the V6 will support 4K, so that's your first four options out of the window.

Well if only he had asked for your very wise advice SP.:)

lonespeaker 13-08-2016 08:28

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Going out on a limb here, but I doubt very much that Virgin will charge more than Sky for the box. the extra cost will come from the monthly bundle costs when they are refreshed.

Hugh 13-08-2016 10:01

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I will be purchasing a new 4K TV around November, so will think about upgrading then...

Ddonald2016 13-08-2016 10:12

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Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35853784)
Virgin will have already done LOTS of research into what people will pay.

It's already been announced that the V6 will support 4K, so that's your first four options out of the window.

Incorrect the 1tb box is the non 4k box

Stuart 13-08-2016 11:30

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853802)
Incorrect the 1tb box is the non 4k box

Do you have a link for the specs?

1andrew1 13-08-2016 11:33

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853748)
Yeah you pay £5.50 for first TiVo and £11.50 for any additional TiVo

In the current "Big" packages there's no additional charge for Tivo.
The charge for some other packages is £5pm not £5.50pm.
Additional Tivos cost £6.50pm with the TV service costing an extra £5pm irrespective of the type of box used.

Stephen 13-08-2016 12:37

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853802)
Incorrect the 1tb box is the non 4k box

VM didn't confirm that.

Ddonald2016 13-08-2016 13:00

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Originally Posted by Stephen (Post 35853822)
VM didn't confirm that.

Media boy virgin sources did confirm it

OLD BOY 13-08-2016 13:05

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853829)
Media boy virgin sources did confirm it

They are old figures, and Media Boy is not Virgin Media.

Hugh 13-08-2016 14:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853798)
I will be purchasing a new 4K TV around November, so will think about upgrading then...

Correction - bought a Sony Bravia KD49X8309CBU Smart 4k Ultra HD 49" TV today... :D

denphone 13-08-2016 16:11

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My my that was a quick change of plan Hugh.:D

Stuart 13-08-2016 16:33

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853846)
Correction - bought a Sony Bravia KD49X8309CBU Smart 4k Ultra HD 49" TV today... :D

I'm waiting till my current Samsung 1080p smart TV dies.. It's nearly 4 years old, so it's a good way through it's usable life.

denphone 13-08-2016 16:38

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Our TV is about 7 years old but we have been saving up for one so by the end of the year we will be purchasing a more up to date TV with a bit of luck.

Hugh 13-08-2016 16:39

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35853870)
I'm waiting till my current Samsung 1080p smart TV dies.. It's nearly 4 years old, so it's a good way through it's usable life.

I replaced an 8 year old 40" Toshiba - whilst that had a good picture, the difference is very noticeable, even on upscaled BBC1HD.

RichardCoulter 13-08-2016 16:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853846)
Correction - bought a Sony Bravia KD49X8309CBU Smart 4k Ultra HD 49" TV today... :D

I was just about to say that as wait until November, you might as well hang on for the sales on Boxing Day! What made you change your mind?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35853870)
I'm waiting till my current Samsung 1080p smart TV dies.. It's nearly 4 years old, so it's a good way through it's usable life.

My Samsung is only 6 months old, how long would you say a TV's usable life is?

heero_yuy 13-08-2016 17:17

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35853878)

My Samsung is only 6 months old, how long would you say a TV's usable life is?

Our 100Hz Philips matchline was still going strong although I've now updated with a Sony Bravia LED. That's over 15 years.

RichardCoulter 13-08-2016 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35853882)
Our 100Hz Philips matchline was still going strong although I've now updated with a Sony Bravia LED. That's over 15 years.

That's more like it :D

They say that Sony & Panasonic are the best sets these days, with most of the others mainly being inferior.

These companies simply cheaply buy up the name of old companies that had a good reputation in the past and stick their name on their cheap rubbish.

Ironically, a lot of quality manufacturers went bust because of these cheap foreign imports.

In another thread I asked if such a thing as a TiVo box actually existed, as I imagined that around the world companies would simply licence the software and stick it on any old PVR box.

denphone 13-08-2016 18:58

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LG and Samsung are pretty good as well...

Khenryashley 13-08-2016 19:25

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[QUOTE=RichardCoulter;35853888]

They say that Sony & Panasonic are the best sets these days, with most of the others mainly being inferior.

Its difficult to say which major manufacturers are the best these days.
The latest 4K HDR UHD TV's have all different plus and minus points. I have to agree with you and say Sony and Panasonic have made a comeback (after years of average sets) with the latest 4k UHD tv's.
Lg 4K UHD's and LG 4k UHD oled's are quality TV's along with the Samsung UHD's.
As I have said they all have there different specs and software and some are better than others at different aspects of the TV picture.
It's all down to you're personal preferences.


These companies simply cheaply buy up the name of old companies that had a good reputation in the past and stick their name on their cheap rubbish.
Didn't know this. Would love to know who bought who?

Ironically, a lot of quality manufacturers went bust because of these cheap foreign imports.

As above

spiderplant 13-08-2016 19:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35853878)
My Samsung is only 6 months old, how long would you say a TV's usable life is?

Modern TVs should last more or less forever. There's nothing in them that wears out.

People upgrade because they want new features or bigger and better screens, not because the TV is worn out. Plus TVs are relatively cheap nowadays. A CRT used to be a major investment but now TVs are treated as disposable.

Hugh 13-08-2016 20:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35853878)
I was just about to say that as wait until November, you might as well hang on for the sales on Boxing Day! What made you change your mind?



My Samsung is only 6 months old, how long would you say a TV's usable life is?

I was out shopping for some other things, popped in to the shop, and the manager discounted the set I wanted to a very reasonable price, so I bought it.

Khenryashley 13-08-2016 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853846)
Correction - bought a Sony Bravia KD49X8309CBU Smart 4k Ultra HD 49" TV today... :D

Great affordable 4K TV. Slight issues with the android operating system which can be temperamental but picture quality is excellent.

Ddonald2016 13-08-2016 21:02

Re: How much do we think V6 will really cost
 
Can I say what has prices of tv got to do with the topic

Hugh 13-08-2016 21:54

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853931)
Can I say what has prices of tv got to do with the topic

Since the topic is not based on fact based evidence, it was something fact based to discuss... ;)

Ddonald2016 13-08-2016 22:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35853942)
Since the topic is not based on fact based evidence, it was something fact based to discuss... ;)

Right I was confused because when I mentioned something that was not fact based in coming soon to virgin media it was removed but the v6 was to do with virgin media

RichardCoulter 13-08-2016 23:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35853897)
LG and Samsung are pretty good as well...

I actually considered LG, but their customer service was abysmal. I thought that if they were like that before I bought something, what would they be like afterwards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiderplant (Post 35853906)
Modern TVs should last more or less forever. There's nothing in them that wears out.

People upgrade because they want new features or bigger and better screens, not because the TV is worn out. Plus TVs are relatively cheap nowadays. A CRT used to be a major investment but now TVs are treated as disposable.

Yes, I worked out that a £1,000 TV is cheaper in real terms than the first colour TV's in 1967.

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853931)
Can I say what has prices of tv got to do with the topic

The new TiVo will be 4K capable, so it's only natural that people will now consider the purchase of a 4K TV.

If they already have one, they will now consider upgrading.

A 4K TV is essential to appreciate a 4K box.

To be honest, I used to think that VM had a cheek when they started charging for their boxes, but when you think about it, they only supplied the STB for free.

We then had to go and buy a video recorder or DVD recorder, which we then had to pay to have repaired if need be.

However, i'm not willing to pay too much for a new box and the extra monthly fee on top of the TiVo fee is a no no.

blue666666 13-08-2016 23:31

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wounder if the v6 box will have HDR

RichardCoulter 14-08-2016 13:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35853888)
They say that Sony & Panasonic are the best sets these days, with most of the others mainly being inferior.

Correction: Panasonic have left people in the lurch, with many unable to receive ITV HD since the end of last year.

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Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35853954)
wounder if the v6 box will have HDR

I thought it was the actual TV that had to have HDR?

If the new box is HDR capable, can it work with a non HDR TV?

Ddonald2016 15-08-2016 19:04

Re: How much do we think V6 will really cost
 
We are still waiting to find out V6 prices

Mad Max 15-08-2016 19:15

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2/6, and a free lollipop each month...............:D

OLD BOY 15-08-2016 22:26

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35854233)
We are still waiting to find out V6 prices

....and we will be for some time yet, old chap.

denphone 16-08-2016 05:57

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Just remind the dear chap OB that patience is very much a virtue that one needs in life sometimes.:)

kirk1690 16-08-2016 06:40

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35853743)
They admitted that the new box will be able to migrate over to horizon software overnight. Until the price drops from the sources I wouldn't. If it is really £199 when sky don't charge for the box that's ripping off

Sky dont charge for the box ? really ? ! Im a sky customer and need to pay £249 to upgrade to sky q silver .:erm:

OLD BOY 16-08-2016 07:53

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Originally Posted by kirk1690 (Post 35854314)
Sky dont charge for the box ? really ? ! Im a sky customer and need to pay £249 to upgrade to sky q silver .:erm:

Attaboy, kirk! Nothing like a reality check to silence the complainers!

Ddonald2016 16-08-2016 08:20

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Originally Posted by kirk1690 (Post 35854314)
Sky dont charge for the box ? really ? ! Im a sky customer and need to pay £249 to upgrade to sky q silver .:erm:

Well I checked my mums and it's £149 upgrade fee

muppetman11 16-08-2016 13:59

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Originally Posted by kirk1690 (Post 35854314)
Sky dont charge for the box ? really ? ! Im a sky customer and need to pay £249 to upgrade to sky q silver .:erm:

You really don't know how to barter then , I've not heard of anyone paying close to that recently. In such a competitive market you never pay full price , people should always ring and see what they get offered.

karma mechanic 16-08-2016 14:22

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Sky's bundles changed today.

I just logged on to see what Q would cost me, for the full Box Sets bundle with UHD, one Q box and one mini (I'm an existing customer in contract on Sky HD).

For me it would be £30 install for the Q box plus £30 install for the mini, monthly cost £31. That's before any negotiation. Not sure about 'fluid viewing', seems like they're doing 'fluid pricing' too...

1andrew1 16-08-2016 14:28

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Originally Posted by karma mechanic (Post 35854364)
Sky's bundles changed today.

I just logged on to see what Q would cost me, for the full Box Sets bundle with UHD, one Q box and one mini (I'm an existing customer in contract on Sky HD).

For me it would be £30 install for the Q box plus £30 install for the mini, monthly cost £31. That's before any negotiation. Not sure about 'fluid viewing', seems like they're doing 'fluid pricing' too...

lol. I think they also revise their pricing depending on how busy they are. They don't want their engineers sitting on their hands one month then rushed to bits the next.

muppetman11 16-08-2016 14:36

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35854365)
lol. I think they also revise their pricing depending on how busy they are. They don't want their engineers sitting on their hands one month then rushed to bits the next.

With the many OTT offerings out there now it's a case of shop around the discounts can be eye watering.

Sky offered Sky Q Silver bundle on another forum recently for £12 a month for 12 months.:shocked:

Freeview and a combination of Netflix/Amazon offers many people more than enough.

OLD BOY 16-08-2016 18:23

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35854365)
lol. I think they also revise their pricing depending on how busy they are. They don't want their engineers sitting on their hands one month then rushed to bits the next.

...and people are wondering why VM haven't made any announcements about the pricing of a new box which won't launch for at least 4 months!

denphone 16-08-2016 18:33

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35854421)
...and people are wondering why VM haven't made any announcements about the pricing of a new box which won't launch for at least 4 months!

Indeed but alas some are very impatient l suppose.

Ddonald2016 16-08-2016 19:40

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Originally Posted by karma mechanic (Post 35854364)
Sky's bundles changed today.

I just logged on to see what Q would cost me, for the full Box Sets bundle with UHD, one Q box and one mini (I'm an existing customer in contract on Sky HD).

For me it would be £30 install for the Q box plus £30 install for the mini, monthly cost £31. That's before any negotiation. Not sure about 'fluid viewing', seems like they're doing 'fluid pricing' too...

Well looking they have reduced the box to £99 but they now charge for sky q mini which used to be free but that's for existing customers. The price now will remain the same as before instead of £25 dearer so it is a good deal because the package is no longer dearer for new sky q for £200

Ddonald2016 16-08-2016 20:54

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Does anybody know if we can have more than one TiVo V6, do they use a mini box or can you mix and match your tivos

Stephen 16-08-2016 21:48

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No one knows yet. Aside from the STB being shown off and that it iss still powered by TiVo then nothing much else is known.

OLD BOY 17-08-2016 01:39

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Originally Posted by Ddonald2016 (Post 35854469)
Does anybody know if we can have more than one TiVo V6, do they use a mini box or can you mix and match your tivos

My word, you never give up, do you, Mr Donald? ;)

Sorry, but you are just going to have to wait. The information is not out there yet and won't be for a few months.

Anything you pick up in the meantime is pure speculation.

And incidentally, if you and Veeem are working for Sky, you have been sussed. Just sayin'....

Hugh 19-08-2016 20:59

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You couldn't possibly be suggesting they are astroturfing...

1andrew1 19-08-2016 21:17

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If I ran Sky I wouldn't pay people to post about the new V6 box. If I paid any posters, I would be paying people to post items asking if they're excited about the new Sky mobile service, 4k UHD footy etc. It's not in Sky's interests to highlight that VM has a new 4k UHD box in the pipeline.

Hugh 19-08-2016 21:27

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Negative social media comments are often very effective.

Bad news travels faster than good news...


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