Rio Olympics 2016: Russia athlete ban upheld by Cas
 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36855244

Good I am pleased with this decision.I however hope they go after any other doping cheats..

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Is this a case of the Russians trying to hide those who MAY have been cheating and not necessarily those that they knew were cheating?

When any cheat is caught it won't be as a result of the first time they cheated. They will have likely been cheating undetected for a long time. Many of the drugs are for use in training, eg steroids, and are not on-the-day performance enhancers.

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It's all a western capitalist plot... :rolleyes:

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There have been so many cheats over the years I no longer have any interest in the Olympic 'celebration of athletic prowess'.

Nobody knows what the true level of unenhanced human physical achievement is any more.

Let them all cheat until they die and let's stop pretending that people are competing against each other for anything but money; the Greek ideal is long gone.

Any so-called records that exist are meaningless because no-one knows who is clean and who isn't. We know it's not just Russians who are at it.

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Seems to me that it's a race between the two technology's one for enhancing performance and the other for identifying it but what it's definitely not about anymore is human effort. Soon as large sums of money become a part of something it is on a road to corruption and abuse can't remember the last time I watched the Olympics nothing worse then supporting someone, seeing them win and then failing the drug test.

There will no doubt be an increase in pro Russian media in the coming weeks on YouTube that lately seems overrun by pro Russian videos on everything from political class to their military and plenty of people falling for it and praising Russia and Putin. What's worse is when you track it back 85% traces back to St Petersburg where the FSB main information office is and 13% back to Moscow yet they are winning more and more people over.

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Well people tend to much prefer venting their frustrations on an evil foreign enemy than accepting that their own leadership is deeply corrupt and trying to cover its tracks.

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Sadly Osem it's rarely ordinary Russians who are shouting about Russia the great but people from other nations one of the biggest pro Russian groups at the minute on YouTube are Indians who seem to have a very cuddly view of Russia. There is so much corruption within Russia did anyone actually believe it wasn't present in their sports it doesn't go down very well to be a sports person in Russia and not deliver results and with officialdom more then happy to turn a blind eye anything goes and is acceptable.

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I take your point but I'm not sure social media is a true reflection of the majority view or anything like it. From what I've seen, it seems to attract a relatively small number of people who make a disproportionate amount of noise - usually offensive garbage. It's the same with local crime - a small number of morons who create so much hassle for everyone else.

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This. Its been a game of Designer PEDs vs testing authorities for years, just seeing the latter catching up much quicker recently. Its in every sport in the world.

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It used to be the case that 'athletes' would abuse steroids to attain an edge; but nowadays casual use of drugs in gyms up and down the Country seems to have become the norm. When this level of abuse is taking place simply for the body beautiful it seems unlikely we'll ever again see clean sporting achievement on a National or Inter-National level.

It's a shame really but I don't intend wasting too much of my time watching self-obsessed cheats running around in circles. I bet their drug of choice comes replete with a Sponsor's logo; if it doesn't yet, it probably soon will ;).

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I remember years ago a tongue in cheek cartoon in the paper of the Olympic parade but instead of countries flags each group of athletes had placards with the major pharmaceutical company logos on them. :erm:

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In the pole vault, the gold medal will be awarded to the athlete that achieves the 'legal high' :D.

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Or gets highest without a pole

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So I gather you think every athlete is a cheat..

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Maybe we should allow doping ,it used to be legal but was stopped to protect the athletes ,maybe under controlled conditions we should allow it because we are never going to stop it .As spectators we all want to see records broken and eventually that will only be possible with the aid of drugs or stimulants

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Frankly anybody who think everybody is cheating is talking absolute codswallop as yes there are cheats in sport but its important not to make generalising conclusions that everybody is doing it because that's not simply the case as the vast majority of us know.

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Lay down the law any sports person who uses performance enhancing drugs who get caught should be banned for life SIMPLE.

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The problem is that, this time, its not just a few athletes who have been caught doping. It was the anti doping authorities themselves doing the cheating, and getting help from government security agencies to do it.

While I'm sure there are plenty of clean Russian athletes, the problem is the entire Russian anti-doping establishment has been discredited at every level.

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That's not something I think. However, I do think cheating is rife; certainly prevalent enough for me to take any achieved results with a pinch of salt.

I see people running and jumping and throwing. They may be cheating, they may not be. I'm not that bothered.

I could enjoy the games more if there were no cheats but there always will be so meh.

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Well judging by your posts on some other interesting threads ;) old chap you seem to think you think everything is rife.;)

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Call me old-fashioned Den but I dislike cheats; I think a person deserves what they earn through discipline, dedication and hard work. I know, I'm quaint.

It seems that others feel it is much easier to fiddle your way through life but that just ain't me :).

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l am too against cheating and fiddling but one should not stereotype the vast majority who do everything by the book as to say that is not the case is frankly laughable.

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Mind we can possibly continue to play spot the cheat..but that is unfair to those who are honest.

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And it seems they chickened out about a blanket ban..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/olympics/36878983

Re: Rio Olympics 2016: Russia athlete ban upheld by Cas
 

One suspects they sought legal advice before making this decision.

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Testing exists outside of Russia, especially for Summer Olympic events, and they wouldn't be able to cover that up. Well no more that than other athletes around the world that ALREADY cover it up. Even at Sochi there wasn't any evidence of anybody taking drugs. Just an operation in place to cover for those that "might have". Unless ALL the Russian Winter Olympic athletes knew that was going to happen, they wouldn't have risked taking drugs in the first place.

I do remember in the past, odd behaviour with a non-Russian athlete where I came to the conclusion that their original decision was because the drugs they had been taken hadn't yet cleared their system. A little time later they changed their mind, possibly their own testing had shown the drugs were now not detectable.

On the same basis as used with Russia, any athlete who works with a coach or whatever, who has previously been caught doping should be banned. Not aware of that happening before.

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An oblique discussion about another subject is pointless. Suffice to say I do not approve of cheats in any walk of life. This has nothing to do with stereotyping; cheating diminishes the efforts of the honest and should be exposed and punished imho.

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Which you are you talking to?

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Everyone posting in the thread above that post..

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Bit of an ambiguous question wasn't it, do you mean athletes in general or just russian ones, if it's the latter we know for a fact hundreds of samples were tampered with, who knows if that means all of them were cheating or not but given the widespread amount of sports involved it's possible. The punishment seems a bit hard on anyone that didn't cheat and indeed the whistle blower herself. The ptb seem to think banning her as well will encourage more whistle blowers to come forward, can't see that myself, might have made more of a statement if she was the only person allowed to represent Russia regardless of her being caught before .

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It was a general question seeing as the tone had gone to the all athletes are cheats. Don't read too much into it..it was asked to get the debate moving along..;)

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Are all athletes cheating obviously not the trouble is the governing body doesn't seem to know who is and who isn't so the viewer has no chance and no one likes to support anyone watch them win or do well and then see them fail the drug test. It's another case of a minority ruining something for the majority both fellow athletes and supporters perhaps the only way round it is for a country to select it's competitor's they go into a sort of IOC compound until the tests are complete. Only those that pass participate in the games that start a day after all tests are completed that way they have no chance to obtain whatever stuff you use to cheat.