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I can't believe the BBC sanction such biased reporting

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...-angry-america

It's embarrassing.

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No it's the norm now impartiality and balanced reporting long ago left the BBC and just as I didn't appreciate Obama's interference in the EU referendum I don't agree with the BBC making any commentary on the US presidential elections.

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As Rizzy says you have to go a long way to find impartiality and fair reporting nowadays sadly as journalistic standards have distinctly gone downhill from 20 to 30 years ago in my opinion.

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What makes it biased?

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Focusing on one specific demographic, actually mostly just one family, and holding them up as the atypical Trump supporter.

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Erm ,it's not meant to be unbiased ,it's a focus piece by Panarama

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Why shouldn't it be unbiased? What's panarama's agenda then?

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Because it's a piece about a specific demographic ,namely white Americans of low income and low education and how much support a racist ******* like Trump is garnering from them ,it doesn't have to be unbiased and there is no 'agenda' .

In actual fact the show is highlighting the very same problems European countries are having with rising racism being linked to rising immigration

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I also wonder how unbiased you can be without unintentionally normalising the abnormal. Trump is quite out there with what he has said about other religions, women and political opponents, he isn't a conventional conservative, and I think it's acceptable to cover him in that way.

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I'm wondering how long it'll be before someone shoots him

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Well obviously not wishing for anybody to be shot its probably inevitable given how many times politicians and famous people have been shot at in the last 50 years plus in America.

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The title and the show implies that this singular demographic are the trump vanguard, and that is simp,y not the case.

Middle class white Americans, and black Americans are also supporting Trump.

Also how is Trump a racist *******? Please advise where and when he has put forward the proposition that white Americans are superior to other Americans of different ethnic genealogy.

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Democracy in action. No doubt you'll approve.

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What has he said then that's quite out there?

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Not that much support amongst black voters. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/...g-black-voters

That poll is at the low end of his support but it appears to have been dropping for a while. Usually around 5%. It's certainly low enough that it's not incorrect to talk of him having hardly any support there. When we talk about 'who is voting for whom' we mean demographically rather than individually.

The newsworthy element of the Trump support is his connection to 'blue-collar' workers in declining industrial areas of America. People impacted by globalisation etc.

If we're going to get into the semantic argument where you won't believe he has made racist statements unless explicitly given an example where he gives a textbook demonstration then you probably won't be convinced. However I think racism has a wider meaning which includes judging people based on their race, discriminating against people because of their race and so on.

Here are some examples: https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5317&tid=ss_tw

I am confident enough to say these statements are 'out there' and I don't think the news media should accept this as the norm in an effort to be 'unbiased'. These are statements made by a candidate to the be the next President of the United States. We shouldn't pretend he is just as valid as any other candidate in the name of balance.

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You clearly haven't been watching Trumps rantings ,however the rest of the world has and is terrified that lunatic gets control of the most powerful nation on the planet

Well to start with he wants to build a wall to keep the Mexicans out

Then there's little gem “Laziness is a trait in the blacks. ... Black guys counting my money! I hate it.”

which was followed in the same outburst by this “The only kind of people I want counting my money are little short guys that wear yamakas every day.”

and he really really hates the Chinese

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IF Trump wins the elction, it will be a tragedy for the United States. He has so much hatred for people.

He has not had to beg for any money. He is a Multi Millionaire, fly in his OWN plane.

Treat Muslims and Mexicans, as ****. He has already said that he will build a brick wall against Mexicans, and ban Muslims from the States.

He is a total disgrace to the people of the States.

IF, he wins, guarantee, someone will try and kill him within several months.

My money is on Hilary.

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Interesting; you think Hilary is going to try to kill Trump? Surely not; it's only a week ago that she escaped prosecution for another crime.

;):D

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I'm no fan of trump I don't rate him as a businessman much less a politician but I think he's a product of the modern world where people are so fed up of the established political class that people like him appeal to people who wouldn't have looked twice at him twenty years ago. Whilst the EU referendum for me had nothing to do with immigration I seem to be in the minority and after watching a couple of videos lately forwarded to me by others there is a problem growing here and no doubt in other countries that will lead to some very unpleasant people gaining power.

What's becoming very clear is that for a growing number of people the west isn't working for them and they feel very disenfranchised with politics and are prepared to consider options that are not western at all in their views. I think we're entering a very dark period and let's hope we all come out the other end

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A product of the modern world? I think he's a dinosaur and we had his ilk back in our history..I remember Enoch Powell clearly enough.There nothing new about Trump.He learned all his prejudice from his father Frank Trump and he was one of the worst landlords during the early part of the 20th century.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Trump

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You don't have to say that one race is superior to another to be Racist. Trump has talked about banning ALL Muslims from moving to America, as well as building a wall to stop Mexicans. Thus, he is stopping ALL members of given races because of the actions of a few members of each race. Would you consider me racist if I said, say, all black men are muggers? That is essentially what Trump is doing, but on a much larger scale..

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I'll just clarify that I am no fan of Trump, but I don't like band wagon jumping either.

He actually proposed a temporary ban whilst vetting procedures were overhauled.

Not very clever and pandering to the fear of terrorism to try and garner support, but then when you read about Axe wielding Afghans on trains in Germany that gives him the ammunition and justification to make these statements.

He wants a hard border to stop all people (not just Mexicans) from entering the US illegally across Mexican border.

You know pretty much what we have a Calais. Or would you be happy to remove all the fences at Calais and have all those camped there enter the UK freely?

To want that is not being racist.

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I didn't say the attitudes were modern as they are clearly not but the acceptance of them by a growing number of people is a modern thing there are people supporting trump who wouldn't have without the last twenty years of rapidly declining political standards. The collapse in the political class in the West is having serious consequences and will continue to do so until there is a big adjustment in politics the best we can hope is that the extreme ends of political view don't get too much power.

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Well if they shoot him in the head they'll miss the brain by 3 feet.

Don't think I'll be taking any tips from you Arthur. Trump panders to the common American, he'll walk it.

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People said the same of Romney against Obama. There isn't such thing as a common American, America is a diverse place. He might win it but I suspect if he does it will be close.

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Well he actually they they would build a wall but get the Mexicans to pay for it! Yeah like to see how that would work!

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Since when did mexicans and Muslims become races

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By stopping Mexican people living in America wiring money home, it potentially could cripple their economy

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He said he wanted a wall to stop Mexicans and he would make them pay for it ,now i have no idea if he means a Berlin wall type wall or just a series of manned border controls and miles of barbed wire your guess is as good as anyone's but he most definitely did mean Mexicans (because in his view they are all rapists) and not 'everyone'

To further illustrate his racist leanings he reckons that 81% of white homicides are committed by blacks ,he says he got his figures from the 'crime statistics bureau-San Francisco' which doesn't exist ,so basically he lied and just made the figures up to paint black people as murders .In actual fact the true crime figures for white homicides are the complete opposite of what Trump says they are

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Quite right too,he's not just racist he's a racist bigot ,probably a homophobe as well ,that will probably be confirmed the next time he opens his gob

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I think we can all agree trump is not a pleasant person and the idea of him as president sends shivers down my spine but until things are perfect in our political world I think it's a bit rich to be criticising anyone elses in a democracy. As someone who resented the numerous foreign politicians involvement in the EU referendum I don't think I have the right to cast an opinion on who others should vote for. Get things sorted out in our backyard then maybe we have some ground to enter other countries political situation.

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I don't see why we shouldn't criticise or have an opinion about the political events of another country. I also don't think we should be offended when people do the same to us.

America is the most powerful country in the world. What happens there can have ramifications here. Would we have a refugee crisis if America had intervened early on? Or had they not intervened in Libya? An economic crisis largely started by the American property market has reshaped politics since 2008 and probably so did the Bush/Blair foreign policy.

Trump is a isolationist. He wants to downscale NATO and America's presence in the world. They pay 70% of the NATO budget by the way. Personally I think a world lacking American influence is bad for us all. The country, like ours, has many faults but they largely share our view of the world. They are for free markets, western liberalism and are opposed to totalitalism. Who would step into the void left on the world stage by a receding America? Russia? China?

Same goes for us by the way. America has few allies it can depend on and we're one of the few who generally tries to step-up on the world stage. We're the ones willing to renew one of NATO's nuclear deterrents. We're the ones who, for better or worse, have fought with the Americans abroad. We've got one of the best intelligence services in the world alongside the CIA and maybe even the best when it comes to the functions of GCHQ/NSA. We have a seat on the UN security council we're one of the closet countries to them in terms of world outlook.

So they're right to have a go at us from time to time as well. When Obama expresses frustration at our monetary commitment to NATO for example then I think that's a legitimate criticism and instead of bulking at foreign interference we were right to increase our commitment.

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Ok let's say you're right.

What is wrong with wanting to keep out illegal immigrants?

We do exactly the same thing. We even got France to agree to have our border in their country.

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If that is what Trump was wanting to do then that would be fine but it isn't and ample evidence of his racists and bigoted views have been shown and you yourself have provided evidence of how he is encouraging those same views on white low income Americans and I have no idea why you won't accept it .


and by the way ,it's not what i say ,it's not a question of me being right it's me agreeing with most of the right thinking world

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Pierre what about the stuff he said about black people to which I linked in a previous post? That is pretty racist...

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He may have said that, he may not have. Who knows?

Those quotes are taken from a book written in 1991 by a former employee, that left after he was passed over for a promotion.

He is however, currently being called racist for wanted to build this wall/border, and I don't see it as such, no more racist than what we have.

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This may explain a lot

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/25/mayb...mply_not_well/

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Just watched this programme on iPlayer and it seems to be fair in presenting both sides of Trump's America. In the same way that Brexit was played out, he is playing to people emotions and prejudices.

Who is to say, he won't win? There are lot of people who are angry and are happy to blame anyone for their perceived misfortunes regardless of facts or evidence.

Welcome to the new fact-less world of politics ..