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Osem 07-07-2016 16:18

U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
I'm not going to post links to the more graphic footage of these two events but from what I've seen of it the circumstances are horrific. What's more is there seems to be no attempt being made by anyone to assist the victims despite it being pretty obvious that they're no longer much of a threat, if indeed they ever were.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36732908

I can fully understand why the police in the US are armed but I'm afraid some of them seem to be out of control and far to easily resort to deadly force.

Mick 07-07-2016 20:47

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
Well, they (The US cops) can kill a man even without guns by placing him in to a choke hold, a method that was banned from use and there was not even guns used in that incident.

I also remember only last year, Police in LA? Shot a tramp with mental health problems dead and the cops claimed he reached for their gun. What was even more disturbing about that, was that I saw, with my own eyes from the video footage of the cops handcuffing the dead man so he was not even allowed to die with dignity, he was quite clearly dead, has he had been shot multiple times.

Gary L 07-07-2016 23:26

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
This is all down to racism. and that the psychopathic cops are scared of their own shadows. and firing a gun helps alleviate their fears.

Mick 08-07-2016 00:59

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
That's just the thing, racism and bad gun dependence, it's a lethal mix.

TheDaddy 08-07-2016 03:09

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
Perhaps they're trying to even up the score a bit

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.r...ndroid-h3g-gb#

Osem 08-07-2016 06:50

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
If anyone thinks more guns is the answer to this they must be insane. In both cases it was the fear that the victim had a weapon which led to them being shot. Less guns, less readily available and better trained police has to be the only way forward.

The Yanks really do need to wake up and realise the Wild West is something which should be confined to Hollywood.

Meanwhile, 4 police shot dead in Dallas in revenge attacks.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36742835

denphone 08-07-2016 08:29

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
Sadly like many others this does not surprise me one bit and sadly like others l suspect we will be talking about the next horrific event in pretty quick time one imagines as it never seems to end.

tweetiepooh 08-07-2016 08:58

Re: Police kill 2 more black people in the states...
 
If you think the police are bad, try the TSA - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7122881.html

Ramrod 08-07-2016 17:31

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Anti-police/pro shoot the police backlash on Twitter
Quote:

Twitter’s terms of service explicitly forbids “threats of violence” and any tweets that “promote violence, including threatening or promoting terrorism.” The company also bans use the platform for the “furtherance of illegal activities.” Yet, so far, the platform has taken no action against accounts promoting violence against the police
It appears that Twitters rules only apply to some. Shocking :(

Osem 08-07-2016 18:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramrod (Post 35848822)
Anti-police/pro shoot the police backlash on Twitter

It appears that Twitters rules only apply to some. Shocking :(

Yes, I'd have thought that might leave them open to some serious legal action.

I'm so glad I don't waste one second of my time inhabiting such places.

Ramrod 08-07-2016 20:13

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Seconded...

RizzyKing 08-07-2016 22:09

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
I've only recently managed to get Twitter right for years i kept calling it budgie much to the amusement of my daughter and having spent a good half hour on it I have quite a few other less pleasant names for it some extremely unpleasant people on that thing. Much like Facebook I find that mostly unpleasant and between them they have caused me to question the wisdom of free speech as there are clearly many who don't deserve that right or understand how to exercise it responsibly.

Osem 09-07-2016 08:42

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
It always strikes me as highly ironic that some of the most hateful people out there are those who spend a good deal of their lives denouncing the 'hatred' they accuse others of.
They target certain politicians, for example, as nasty, racists or whatever and then threaten to rape or murder them. The likes of Twitter simply gives them the opportunity to spread their bile further afield.

martyh 17-07-2016 17:34

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
3 more cops shot in Baton Rouge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36820782

adzii_nufc 17-07-2016 17:40

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
Yep shooting innocent police officers is always the right answer. Making someone else suffer for the actions of another. Its an eye for an eye with a horrible swerve.

Hom3r 17-07-2016 18:06

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
Well that's the 2nd amendment for you.

But while they continue to miss read it there will be more deaths.

To be brutally honest I'm starting to not give a crap.

We had Hungerford, Result
Quote:

The Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988[34] was passed in the wake of the massacre, which bans the ownership of semi-automatic centre-fire rifles and restricts the use of shotguns with a capacity of more than three cartridges (in magazine plus the breech).
Then Dunblane Result
Quote:

In response to this public debate, the then-current Conservative government of John Major introduced the Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997, which banned all cartridge ammunition handguns with the exception of .22 calibre single-shot weapons in England, Scotland and Wales. Following the 1997 General Election, the Labour government of Tony Blair introduced the Firearms (Amendment) (No. 2) Act 1997, banning the remaining .22 cartridge handguns in England, Scotland and Wales, and leaving only muzzle-loading and historic handguns legal, as well as certain sporting handguns (e.g. "Long-Arms") that fall outside the Home Office Definition of a "handgun" because of their dimensions. The ban does not affect Northern Ireland.
Perhaps they should wake up and smell the coffee.

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What scares me is I have a Facebook friend, who is pro Trump, anti Obama, anti Muslim.

She believe that Obama is NOT Hawaiian but Kenyan and his records have been altered.

But they believe that guns are the best projection against guns, and not gun control.

adzii_nufc 17-07-2016 18:21

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
I remember folks adamant that Obama would bring about Sharia law upon the US. Pretty sure they were just racist rednecks though.

Don't comment on gun control though. Its standard fact that you need piles of ammunition and a military grade rifle to defend yourself from the neighbours hamster. Or even the North Koreans invading. Just stopped short of allowing SAM's to defend yourself from pesky birds and your neighbours F-35.

Black folks shooting innocent police officers because another officer shot a black man.

3 officers dead because its fine to own a a military grade rifle.

Seems to be repeating and repeating.

RizzyKing 17-07-2016 19:52

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In America there is not enough gun control and here we have gone way too far with gun control if I had to choose between them I'd rather America then ours at least they can own a gun. Guns are not the problem people are the problem there were plenty of firearms in the UK pre hungerford that never caused a problem because we put more emphasis on the person that owned the gun. In both hungerford and dunblane the police failed badly and rather then address the minor faults with the system we knee jerked and outlawed whole groups of firearms taking them out of legal hands creating a black market and making criminals the largest firearm owning group of citizens.

There is a happy medium and hopefully in time both the US and the UK will arrive there.

denphone 17-07-2016 20:24

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
Sadly it just goes on and on and one suspects unless there is a almighty sea change in America we will be seeing the same things 50 years from now sadly.

Maggy 17-07-2016 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35850085)
In America there is not enough gun control and here we have gone way too far with gun control if I had to choose between them I'd rather America then ours at least they can own a gun. Guns are not the problem people are the problem there were plenty of firearms in the UK pre hungerford that never caused a problem because we put more emphasis on the person that owned the gun. In both hungerford and dunblane the police failed badly and rather then address the minor faults with the system we knee jerked and outlawed whole groups of firearms taking them out of legal hands creating a black market and making criminals the largest firearm owning group of citizens.

There is a happy medium and hopefully in time both the US and the UK will arrive there.

I think we have already arrived thank you.

Pierre 17-07-2016 21:27

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 35850085)
Guns are not the problem people are the problem

Guns don't kill people....rappers do.

RizzyKing 17-07-2016 21:47

Re: U.S: Controversial Shootings
 
Maybe for some the current stance is fine but not for many and shooting is both an enjoyable past time and a responsible one guns don't automatically mean bad anymore then no guns means hood.


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