UKIP leader Nigel Farage stands down
 

UKIP leader Nigel Farage stands down.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36702468

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He'll probably stand back up again tomorrow....

The King of the swivel eyed loons never dies. (just lies...)

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As far as l am concerned the man was full of many toxic untruths...

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Which could be said for any Political leader of any party, if truth be told.

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i can't believe it i am so shocked i really liked this guy when he opened his mouth and complete b*lls**t came out

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As he and the party have camaigned for about 20 years for a referendum for Brexit and it has now happened, you could call him the most successful politican of this century. Silly as it sounds.

Name any other politician who has actally achieved this.

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Indeed.

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This +1

He achieved what he set out to do, in the face of considerable adversity, you can't say that for many politicians of whatever colour these days.

Mission accomplished Nige

He;s not stupid, he knows he's got no future.

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Well considering the ridicule, death threats, daughters being threatened with gang rape etc, I don't begruge him stepping down after mananging to do what he set out to do.
I had a drink on Friday night with a chap who set up UKIP with Nigel. The guy has been working at getting us out since 1973! He seemed tired :D

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He has had a long struggle which has come to fruition. Now he can concentrate his efforts on the Brexit negotiations as an MEP.

Or at least he should, but will the UK Civil Service and the Eurocrats allow him to?

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After his showing in the recent EU MEP meeting I think he's the last person to be negotiating our exit.If we want a fair and equitable response that is?

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We'll all miss you, Nige.

Nobody will miss Dave when he's gone.

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Hell no.

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I think he has stepped down pre-maturely as the job is not done yet especially as Blair and Mandelson are telling MPs to ignore the Referendum result.

We'll only have a better idea of what is happening after the new PM is elected and we see not only their strategy for dealing with the Referendum vote and the EU, but also get some idea of what the EU response is going to be if and when negotiations start.

Interestingly, a number of non-EU countries including Australia, South Korea, India and others have expressed an interest in doing free trade deals with the UK.

Wonder what Nigel's reaction will be if everything falls through and we still end up staying in the EU?

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He'll probably get back in the ukip saddle and carry on the fight

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He'll probably want to bang a few heads along with a few million other people.

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And to think we thought having a referendum would sort all this out but we are still not better off. We're just lost in a political limbo.

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he can lead the civil war .

job well done Nigel time for a beer

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Dave who?:D

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Did anyone notice the amount of applause he got in the EU chamber when he made his "victory" speech? He has a lot of like-minded allies in the EU.

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Yes mostly from our equivelant of the BNP.

Wonder what his chances are of becoming a Lord? ;)

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Least he speaks the truth none of this cloak and dagger crap they all play.

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This picture sums him up, saint to some, hitler type cad to others, in truth though he's neither but I still quite like him, at least he isn't boring.

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No he doesn't, when it comes to bare faced lies and deceit he's up there with the best if them, don't tell us you fell for his man of the people act...

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At least he stood down unlike a certain arse i can think of. when the end comes you should accept it with grace not hang on and on until someone kicks you out.

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He fought for 1 thing and succeeded, well done for that with accompanying lies or not.
When you look at the rest of them none are saints. If there was a general election tomorrow i dont think i could vote :erm:

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Farage gave us something none of the others wanted to - the right to choose our future. For that he ought to be congratulated and we should be asking why none of the others were interested in that basic freedom.

As for the rest, well it'd be nice if they got back to the concept of at least attempting to deliver what they've gone around promising* but of course it's far easier just to lie, especially at election time.


(* no plans to increase taxes, net migration in the tens of thousands, British jobs for British workers, no increase in tuition fees, an end to the cycle of boom and bust, secure borders to name but a few)

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Well said! :tu:

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The irony being that both the Leave and Remain campaigns promised things they are going to be unable to deliver. Including Farage, who despite his denials did say about money being re-directed to the NHS.

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Well yes.

Frankly on the Richter scale of deception in politics, Farage comes well down the list, however.

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The question that should be asked is now he has achieved his stated aim why is he still an MEP? No ones going to let him be involved in exit negotiations, he has no input or influence now but yet he's still claiming his salary and no doubt exorbitant expenses

Seems a little double standards to me

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Because for the next 2 years we are still in the EU and subject to the laws treaties and as such have a right to representation

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Well, they may want to turn up and vote a bit more, then...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10316962.html

http://www.votewatch.eu/en/term8-nigel-farage-2.html

Only one person has a worse voting record than NF...

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There is a public perception that all MEP's are lazy money crabbing spongers just out for a free ride ...that perception appears to have some validity

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Farage clearly didn't need to waste his votes in the EU to get what he wanted and unlike a good number of his peers, he's not going to be rewarded with a nice cushy little earner by the Brussels elite who always seem to find a nice cosy home for those who've aided and abetted them. If Farage's reasoning had been expenses and perks he'd have done far better to toe the line just like all the rest.

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He clearly didn't actually need to be drawing a salary, allowances, expenses, etc, from European taxpayers at all to get what he wanted in that case.

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Erm, those figures were for UKIP MEPs...

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Apparently them not voting or turning up whilst trousering as many euros as possible is a form of protest for them iirc

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Ooops, shouldn't post after a night out. Got it wrong... Again!

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When is this odious hypocrite going to resign an a MEP?

Calls for Farage to give up MEP seat after resignation

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Lib Dem Europhile in "I don't like Nigel Farage" shocker.

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I know :confused:

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So you think Farage should stay as an MEP then? ;) I am surprised ..

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Of course he should. He was elected for a five year term. He should stay there until the term is up, or until Brexit is complete.

When has resigning the party leadership ever been a reason to resign elected office altogether? As special pleading goes, this is a particularly dumb case. Why doesn't the man just admit it, Nigel has more or less handed him his P45 and he hates him.

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There's only one Lib Dem MEP and they aren't a man?

Nigel Farage has had no impact on my job and I despise him.

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really ??????- i must say you hid it well

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My mistake, evidently I'm more subtle than most give me credit for.

I have a similar level of disdain for borderline illiterate Express readers too, just to ensure nothing is hidden.

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Can you just clarify what a MEP should do in term of representing his electorate, yes, all of his electorate?

If he thinks that the European Parliament should not exist then he is a hypocrite in getting paid the not inconsiderable amount of money to serve as a member of said parliament.

However, suggesting that Farage has principles and that he is honest is a joke so why not expect to milk the gravy train he so despises.

I am surprised that you are standing up for the odious little man ..

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I'm not standing up for Farage - I'm standing up for the principle that he should continue to do the job he was elected to do (whatever that is). The fact that he doesn't think the thing should exist, or that the UK should be involved, is immaterial. He has thought that for 16 years.

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He was ukip when elected and his record as an mep was available for all constituents to see and he was elected to be an mep so no he shouldn't resign unless people are calling for David Cameron to resign as an mp as well. I can't stand either farage or ukip but votes are what they are and should stand as long as applicable, biggest difference between him and the lib dem will be the day they are out of work as we leave the EU he'll be smiling and she'll probably be weeping.

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So Farage got paid as an MEP and didn't turn up/vote as often as many of the Euro-leeches. What a heinous crime*. :rofl: It says a great deal about the EU that he was able to so successfully rock their gravy boat by doing so little. :D

* a good many of our peers do exactly the same thing in the House of Lords for decades with no intention of biting the hand that feeds them and we all know how rife the abuse of expenses is in Eurolalaland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...-is-spent.html

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It speaks volumes that someone gets elected to office, doesn't do their job, doesn't represent their constituents in the chamber and is so celebrated, while those who did actually turn up to work are 'Euro-leeches'.

I thought we were just post-facts; looks like we're post-reality now, too.

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:clap:

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His constituents have been happy to keep re-electing him for 16 yrs.

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I'm not saying I don't agree with you but the only ones who can ask or expect him to step down are his constituents. No-one else has the right to do that.

If they are happy with what he has done and are willing him to carry on then so be it.

It may be that he is the best of a bad bunch in his constituency.

You may want to look at some of the speaches he's made in the EU Parliament before commenting further, and I'm not on about his most recent.

The only thing I like about Farage is that he has stuck to his guns from day 1 in that he wanted a referendum on if we remain of leave a political union that the electorate did not endorse. He got it, I thank him for it and I expect this Government to abide by it.

AFAK He is the only politician who has fulfilled a pledge to the people in this century...

Unless you can enlighenme to another.

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UKIP leader Nigel Farage has worst voting record of any active MEP in European Parliament

I think if someone is so patently rubbish at doing the job he was elected to do then we have every right to call for his resignation.

The hypocrisy of some on here standing up for Farage after all the years of endless bitching about the "Euro Leeches" is staggering :dunce:

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That cannot be right, we wouldn't have even had a referendum if another politician hadn't fulfilled his pledge to the people...

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Who do you think applied the pressure for this other politician to make the pledge in the first place?

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+1 Exactly

Now tell me who the racist is here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW_oXEksqh8

or

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oImkFVDDoE


For once an Iman who speaks out truthfully.

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One of the cornerstones of the remain argument was the point that it is better to be in the EU to try and change it.
Isn't that exactly what Farage has done :shrug:

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A Leopard never changes it's spots - the ridiculous arguments coming from the remain side and I don't deny there was just as many on the leave side, was that the Remain side said we needed to stay in the EU to reform it, yet you had Jean-Claude Juncker on the day before the referendum saying there will be no more negotiations. That arrogant old fool probably is a reason why many who were in the 'undecided' camp, voted to leave with that class act statement.

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That's irrelevant, fact is he made the pledge and followed through on it no matter what the reason and there will be many more examples

Exactly what, exactly you made a false assertion

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was it Nigel Farage and his 4,000,000 ukip supporters that forced camerons hand .

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You may be onto something there :)

Just need to convince the rest of cable forum now.

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their hard nuts to crack but they are nuts:)

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l bow to the intellectual political heavyweights of this forum unreservedly .:nworthy:;)

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Don't forget their 1 mp to

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Well one things for sure it wasn't any of the swivel eyed loons in the labour party that got us anywhere so Lets just unite behind that one truth lol.

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Loving the hypocrisy here :) Farage is a lazy leech of a MEP, worst MEP of all time. In fact he holds the record but he is our leech so that's ok.

If he was a Labour MEP with the same record, we would have endless posts from the usual suspects condemning the fat cats in Brussels riding the gravy train ..

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i have to admit that man makes my skin crawl .

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Ianch I couldn't give a monkey's about any mep and never have couldn't even tell you who mine is or if they are even male or female and in that I'm with the majority of the UK population. Ukip, tory, labour, lib dem or monster raving Looney I don't care and just want shot of the whole mess and concentrate on progressing the UK to a better future. If that means less trade with the EU well cya later plenty more trade in the wider world and quite a lot of it very keen to get trade going with the UK.

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I quite agree ,trouble is though we have people in charge who cannot see past the EU ,it's all they know and have no desire to do anything that may require independent thinking .

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The EU is one of the biggest economies in the world. Saying 'cya' to it is mental.

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I appreciate that no-one listens to experts anymore but I'm not aware of anyone credible, even the more optimistic projections, that see the UK saying 'cya' to the EU and catching up with the lost growth even by 2030.

I say that, the projection I am thinking of forecast a 0.1% of GDP recession over this quarter and the next 3 as a result of Brexit, total 0.4%, before growth starts again, and it looks as though we'll see a loss of more than 0.4% this quarter alone. Indeed there was a bigger drop than 0.1% just in June.

The projections that saw the UK catch up with lost growth saw a 'best of both possible' relationship with the UK in the single market.

We do not need to say 'cya' to the EU to expand our trading relationships with the rest of the world now, it's not a binary choice.

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As is the UK

"Britain is currently the world's fifth largest economy based on total Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which currently stands at $3.04 trillion."

As recently as June 10th with Brexit looming this was forecast.

"Bumper growth will put Britain on course to become the world's fourth largest economic powerhouse ahead of an ageing Japan and Germany in the 2030s, according to the CEBR's latest world economic league table."

Source http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...exclusion.html

So much for experts.

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Farage doing his bit for the UKIP candidate for Conservative Party leader.

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I'm not sure what you're saying with this. Did you read the article before you posted it? The following is two of the last three paragraphs.

Signs for their 'at worst' scenario are looking pretty ominous so far.

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It is however a "worst case" scenario unlike the total scaremongering of the remain camp.

Providing we get a leader who will start the leave process sooner rather than later and show true leadership the better chance we have of recovery happening sooner.

Financial markets have always taken a downturn where doubt and uncertainty exist.

The only way to remove doubt and uncertainty is invoke A50 and conclude exit negotiations as soon as possible and move on. Then we will see if we can still trade on our own.

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Forgot to mention, that forecast was made last year just FYI. Unsure where June 10th comes from.

Other than disregarding the referendum result, which must not happen, there is no way to calm things.

Safest path, and most unlikely, is EEA membership. Anything else is a big leap into the dark.

A better metric to follow now is per capita GDP. Always has been really.

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My typo re June 10th as the article is from today July 10th. I would've thought that obvious as I also linked to it.

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I would've thought it obvious that isn't the case given the article is timestamped 26th December 2015.

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Despite what some believe there is plenty of life outside the EU and we can be a part of it we do not have to bow down to demands from the EU although most of our politicians and a section of society would be more then happy with that. Personally I have confidence in the UK and it's people and our history shows we are at our best when things get tougher this is one of those times. Let's also not pretend we have left some luxurious utopian dream club the risks of staying in the EU were significant and the structure of the EU was not exactly the pinnacle of stability.

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There is indeed plenty of life outside the EU. For all the issues we're having right now in the very long term it may work out best for us.

However in the interim why not ease the transition as much as possible with membership of the EEA allowing us to both trade freely with the world and with the European Union?

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As long as freedom of movement is not a part of any deal have at it but all the doom and gloom merchants acting as though we bring little to the table and should be grateful for whatever the EU offers are pathetic. If needs be we'll have the same trade arrangement as any other country globally has with the EU and build from there, it's time for politicians to actually have confidence in this country instead of using it as a sound bite.

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1) No freedom of movement, no access to single market.......Switzerland have been told, we've been told...

2) We'll pay the same huge tariffs as well as the other countries then

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The data is updated twice yearly, the last prior to the referendum. Since then however,

'After the referendum in June 2016 when voters decided to leave the European Union, economic prospects for the UK are highly uncertain, and the UK and France may very well swap places. The country will operate under EU regulations and trade agreements for two years after the formal announcement of an exit to the European Council, in which time officials will work on a new trade agreement. Economists have estimated that a Brexit could result in a loss of anywhere from 2.2-9.5% of GDP, depending on the trade agreements replacing the current EU regulations.'

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Based on? This has never been done before so I dont see how a comparison can be made.

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We weren't always in the EU you know

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But we are now, and quoting the head of the WTO:

WTO telling us what to do. Violating our sovereignty. We'd best have a referendum on leaving it.

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I'll be a lot happier when people stop sniping, bitching, & making snide comments and just making the best of things, we are where we are, there's no reason why we can't be doing as well as we do now if we pull together.

It'll end up being very unhealthy for the country if people keep pulling it down, naysaying and being defeatist before we've even begun.

It'll end up a self fulfilling prophesy if it goes on, you'd think that's what people want.

Dangerous and stupid thing to do just to say 'I told you so'

Some of us who have been on the planet for more than 5 minutes knows our country has been around a lot longer than the 40 years or so we've been in the EU & the world is a damn sight larger than Europe.

In the mid to long term we'd have had to expand beyond the old continent in any case, there's vast expanding and emerging markets in places like China, India, Brazil.

That's assuming that the EU hadn't imploded anyway under the weight of most of North Africa... sorry Libya & Syria... or because it's currency had collapsed under the weight of Greek & other poor countries debt.

This is an opportunity not a tragedy.

Yes there's risks, there's always been risks, that's life. Being timid doesn't do well on a personal level nor on a national one.

FFS pull together, it'll be worth a lot more than a 'told you so'.

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Yes, me too. Especially the really patronising comments towards the young.

I'll pull together when we have some idea of our future relationship with the EU after we leave. Until then it's campaigning mode for membership of the EEA, even if it is unlikely, as I consider it the best platform to take advantage of future opportunities.

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No one's patronised the young particularly. It's a generational thing, going back into recorded history at least as far as the Greeks, each generation is convinced the newer one is lesser, yet here we are several thousand years on.

Mindsets do change though as you gain experience and dare I say maturity, it's just the human condition.

I don't think anything like I did in my 20's or really even my 30's plus you do get a little jaded as you grow older, as you can see the same **** going round and round. Thing's can get a bit 'samey' that's the kind of thing you overlook, don't notice or remain blissfully unaware of as your younger self.

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It can be patronising even if it's not intended to be. Our views are, in my own experience, influenced by our experiences in life. People don't necessarily have to be old to have experienced more (although it undoubtedly helps). I've known young people who have experienced a lot more than some old people I know, and I know old people who have experienced a lot more than most young people I know.

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What about removing all barriers for all WTO members ,isn't that a short term solution untill we actually get a long term policy together and by long term i mean for the next 30-50yrs because the policies or lack thereof comming from Government at the moment are basically non existent ?

Presumably this is the link you quoted from



@ mods ,don't you think that this thread and the post brexit thread are getting mixed up ,I don't know about anyone else but i'm struggling to separate the two threads

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Well we had one thread until someone thought a new one was required and look where that got us... ;)

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Not really. Domestic producers can be decimated by cheaper, duty-free imports relatively quickly.

The removal of barriers would have to be unilateral too. Other nations wouldn't reciprocate and in some cases even simply couldn't.