Revealed: Where speed cameras target drivers in London as they drive to work
 

http://www.itv.com/news/london/2016-...early-morning/

Rip off Britain yet again. Local authorities always find ways of ripping off the motorists.

If its not the Congestion Charge that keeps going up, and now its digital CCTV cameras to catch out drivers.

And sadly, the Town l work in Ealing, is the ain culprit. EVERYONE speeds, when they know there no traffic about. BUT, why penalise them first thing in the morning when there is no traffic about.

Its like where l live in Isleworth. There is a bus lane for 267 buses. Yet, you cannot use it in rush. And this causes massive queues, so to me why cannot you use in rush hour. When there are no buses.

The country has gone mad - and drivers get punished for it:mad:

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Imagine - drivers getting punished for breaking the speed limit; it's as if there's a law against it!

Madness, I tell you!

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Arthur while I admire your level of passion it isn't matched by common sense very often and you get all worked up about things that if you step back and look at them objectively are either not worth the passion you put in or even worse your passion generates support for what your raging against. Whether there is traffic or not doesn't mean laws don't apply and if any driver on the roads honestly says they should be allowed to speed if the road has low traffic then we have a bigger problem then those who break the law getting punished.

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Hugh.,
Why punish drivers for speeding. What they should be doing is punihing drivers using Mobile Phones while driving.

IF, Pc stood at the top of my road, that goes onto Twickenham Road each morning - l GURRANTEE, you would have at lest TEN drivers in FIVE minutes using Mobile phones.

What they can use cameras for is to catch them out. My god the money they would get, would be in thousands in the FIRST day in London alone

This what they can use Camera's for.

Just think of how many accidents there are per day, with drivers using mobile phones

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And they should be punished as well - but it's not an either/or situation.

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You must have a weird bus system if there are no buses at rush hour,instead of raging about drivers being punished for breaking the law i would get cracking on the lack of buses in rush hour

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Arthur, You really do need to read what you are about to post before you hit the post button. Do you honestly think that people speeding should not be fined :dunce:

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I think he just got a ticket :D

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Also, if you have evidence of crimes being committed, why not take the details to your local cop shop?

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Not quite the full ticket maybe... :D

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Seriously? Did you just say that?? :rolleyes:

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There is speeding, and speeding.

Say for example you have a 40 MPH and you do 60. That IS not speeding. If you do 70/80 then that is different

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Bless...

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Well if the stats are to be believed, if you are hit at 30 mph you have a 1 in 5 chance of being killed, 35 mph 1 in 3. A significant difference.

Best not to speed imho. I thought your were a hobby bobby Arthur?

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Has someone hacked Arthur's account?

I can't imagine this is really him saying this.

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Germany have won on penalties, we all get distressed and say silly things at such stressful times.

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I agree with dad.

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Well, 60 kph is less than 40 mph so Arthur is right :D

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Jesus wept! :D

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its 20 mph down my street and most of the area around my house no one sticks to it its another example of council madness, no one is aware of a reason for it .

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The main reason is (for residential areas) is that if a pedestrian is hit at 20mph they have a 95% chance of survival, but at 30mph they have a 55% survival rate, and at 40mph there is 5% survival rate.

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Speed limits in urban areas/single carriage ways are there for a reason and are fair enough, its where most accidents occur. I admit on motorways I go up to 80, like most others, but its usually safe to do so and sticking to 70 can be more dangerous ( ie stuck in and around the foreign hgvs that can't see you).

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Inner city speed limits are being dropped here to "reduce pollution" in areas that are monitored. Not in unmonitored areas though. The "safety" excuse is a con.

But I adhere to the speed limit whatever it is.

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Do you think increasing someone's chances of survival from 1 in 20 to 19 in 20 is a con?

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So you reckon that going 20mph over the speed limit is not ,or should not be classed as speeding .
Don't know the stats but watching these traffic cop programs seems to suggest that quite a few deaths or serious injuries occur late at night when drivers who like to put their foot down expect the roads to be empty or they cannot control the vehicle around bends or slippery roads

Go and start searching Arthur cos your brain has obviously gone walkabout

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Ther are 20 mph limits all over Nottingham city.
Complete waste of time as [almost] no one sticks to them.

As to pollution, and safety, a car doing 20mph will be in an area 50% longer than one doing 30mph, so even if the engine is putting out the same fumes in both cases, there will be 50% more pollution in that area (and I always understood that at lower sppeds, engines put out more pollution).

To actually stick to 20mph, you have to spend a lot more time actually watching your speed, so less time watching the road, I dont see how thats safer for anyone.

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Arthur, that is a completely daft thing to say. As an ex Police officer I have seen many results of excessive speed causing bad accidents. Both of the speed examples you quote are way over the speed limits.

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If it was done for safety reasons I would understand. But the sudden imposition of the reduced limit in an area I have never heard of being an accident blackspot (and neither have the local residents who were quizzed about the limit AFTER it was imposed) sounded off.

And then "pollution targets met" in that area... :dozey:

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Indeed. If I caught anyone doing 60 in a 40 I'd be getting ready to send them to court instead of writing out a ticket.

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People should learn to keep out of roads.
learn how to cross them.

even dogs know to keep out the road and walk on the pavement.

20mph is pathetic it's just impossible to drive at 20mph.
a cemetry that says 5mph you easily do 20mph.
a hospital that says 5mph you easily do 20mph.
a road that says 20mph you naturally get out and walk instead!

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Well if that if how you think then god help uas all!! :dunce:

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God help you all anyway.

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The police can pull you over if you are doing the limit if they think the speed in inappropriate for the conditions. That is probably the reasoning they would want to use in any case.

In Winchester they recently reduced the limit through town to 20mph which is a real pain, especially on some roads. If they reduced on the small side roads but left main throughfare at 30mph that would seem better, to keep traffic on the bigger roads and slow it down on the side roads.
And variable limits, so round schools reduce to 20 during school in/out times but leave at 30 (as appropriate) otherwise.

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Arthur (as always) is off on one talking drivel.

BUT

It does raise a question.

The speed limit on a motorway is 70mph set in 1950 odd? Modern cars come with ABS/VDC much improved tyre technology etc. to name but a few.

If i set off to drive down to Maidenhead early on a Sunday morning (6am) for work and the weather is fine. Can I hand on heart say i obey the speed limit, erm, no course not

Surely there has to be a thought of hmm, perhaps we could look at variable speed limits.

However, residential areas I completely agree with....

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Could do ,8pm to 6am could be 80-90 mph or unrestricted on some motorways ,i've travelled the M1 through the night and it is usually quite empty and well set up for variable speed limits

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And throw the book at them. Urban speed limits are there for good reason. What I have issues with are arbitrary speed limits on the open road when the only reason is revenue raising.

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Yep, up here in Newcastle the A1 western bypass road widening scheme has just finished over the weekend after 2 yrs and £61 million,fantastic piece of engineering....... speed limit before the roadworks 50mph ....after the road works and widening 50mph ,there does seem to be plenty of spare room on the gantries for cameras though :rolleyes:

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Thank god for that, I know every inch of Gateshead, i've had many hours to study it. If only they'd stop pratting with the M60/M62, Manchester/Leeds isn't as pretty...

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Seeing the very poor driving in the UK would make me avoid motorways if the limit was raised.

About time for the Driving Test to include motorway driving (and in the wet and dark too)?

I used to bimble along at 100+mph on autobahns until I saw a multiple wreck caused by a youngster in a very powerful car. He was the only survivor of over a dozen people involved. The headlines that week slowed a lot of people down.

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Indeed, not all 40mph limits are "urban".

At least one road near me is a dual carridge way in the middle of the countryside, for 30+ years it was the national speed limit, until some numskull managed to impose a 40 limit on a section of it (and 50 on another section). Needless to say, almost no one actually does 40/50 on it.

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Says it all really. 20MPH zones round schools should be mandatory.

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While it's true that modern cars, especially performance ones, have the features to make it possible to drive at higher speeds safely, it's the "others" who are driving less safe vehicles and who are possibly less able/aware for whatever reason you need to take into account.

Top Gear showed how a modern car can stop in much shorter distances than listed in the highway code but that doesn't account for the trucker behind you who has been driving beyond his hours with a heavy load who most certainly can't.

I do agree that some limits do seem to be too slow, unless you are the parent of a youngster killed pulling out of a side road on a main artery, or who lost control on a bend. Then you may appreciate a lowering of the limit. Again it's driving to the conditions that needs emphasising not to the limit.

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What even at 3 in the morning

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..... and in School holidays, or weekends ?

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Absolutely, and with speedbumps too (don't get me wrong, I hate speedbumps).

If I'm in a new area and end up driving past a school I might not notice what type of building it is - generally when I'm driving my attention is usually on the road. So if I go past there another time during term time or on a school day I might not be so aware of the need for extra care.

I don't think I have a specific problem with not paying attention to buildings but when it comes to roads around schools I don't think you can take too many precautions.

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Not worth the risk imo, lots of schools do stuff on weekends and in the holidays

Don't you think having those precautions in place at 3 in the morning is a precaution to far.

Not that it really matters to arthur and I if that man of the people, born in a council flat to my old man's a bus driver mayor gets his way and makes the congestion charge 30 quid a day. Perhaps that's how he should sell it, he's thinking of the kids

http://m.sputniknews.com/europe/2016...cars-khan.html

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Perhaps you should pay attention to the big "School" signs as well ;)

I live some 250 yards from a school, its dead at weekends, and in the holidays.

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Not all school signs are large or even visible. Not worth the risk considering it's likely to be just a single stretch of road, I'm sure you have enough patience for that

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Yes, because schools are typically around population centres with high numbers of children living there. They dont vanish when school is shut, in fact there is probably more chance of them being out and about.

Anyway, whats the big deal. Slowing down to 20, even from 40, for a mile or so will add seconds, not minutes to your journey time.

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Limits are reduced around schools when they are busy - they are not busy at weekends, or when they are closed, thats simple fact. Where its located is completely irrelevant to this. There are plenty of population centres with high numbers of children nowhere near schools, do they have limits at school times ? of course not.

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Signs are (or should be) a standard size, like all road signs.

My patience has nothing to do with it, JFYI there are no school time limits around here, instead they have your favourite road bumps, only a self destructive fool would take them at 30mph.

IMO limits specifically applied around schools do not need to be applied when the school is not in use. Simple. I'm not going to keep arguing about it, if you disagree, so be it.

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Around here we have big signs that are lit up when schools opening/closing, that seems sufficient for most reasonable people.

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I agree, there is no reason why school speed limits should be in force at all times except as a money earner for the enforcing authority most of the time the kids the limit is meant to protect are in school out of harms way so it would be perfectly acceptable to have the limit between 2 times similar to bus lane times ,say 7:30 am to 4:30 pm for example.

The idea of a reduced limit around schools is so illogical that it was obviously thought up by a cyclist trying to justify their job ;)

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Breaking the law, breaking the law Arthur.