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RBMark 30-06-2016 21:13

HSBC Boss commits to Britain and....
 
The boss of HSBC has committed to stay in Britain and the chairman of Barclays says London WILL remain Europes financial centre despite Brexit! The doom and gloomers won't enjoy this...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/512fa242-3...#axzz4D5ycCZIV

Hugh 30-06-2016 21:21

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Actually, I think most Remain voters will think this is great news.

Strange as it may seem to you, Remain voters want what they thought was best for the UK - it may differ from the Leavers view of what is best for Britain, but I don't think many people, from either side of the debate, want the British people or economy to suffer, whoever won.

Your continuous negative portrayal of those who disagree with you often overshadow any valid points you may have, imho.

Damien 30-06-2016 21:42

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HSBC is a massive company so this is welcome. It was a big enough concern when they were looking towards Hong Kong some months ago, most of their money is Asia based these days. It's always disturbing how flippant some people are when it comes to the idea of losing the banking sector, it would have a big hit on tax receipts.

djfunkdup 30-06-2016 22:03

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Onwards and Upwards ;);)

Gavin78 30-06-2016 22:17

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I wouldn't surprise me if there wasn't some back door intervention going on?

Paul 30-06-2016 22:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35847271)
Actually, I think most Remain voters will think this is great news.

Strange as it may seem to you, Remain voters want what they thought was best for the UK - it may differ from the Leavers view of what is best for Britain, but I don't think many people, from either side of the debate, want the British people or economy to suffer, whoever won.

Your continuous negative portrayal of those who disagree with you often overshadow any valid points you may have, imho.

Exactly, and the negativity is starting to get very irritating.
It doesnt matter who "won", everyone needs to get on with life now.

Damien 30-06-2016 22:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35847285)
Exactly, and the negativity is starting to get very irritating.
It doesnt matter who "won", everyone needs to get on with life now.

It's onto the next war now though. What type of Brexit will it be? What will take it's place? Is there a way to get back in? Etc etc.

Remain voters for example would likely push for as close a relationship as possible with Europe.

denphone 01-07-2016 05:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35847271)
Actually, I think most Remain voters will think this is great news.

Strange as it may seem to you, Remain voters want what they thought was best for the UK - it may differ from the Leavers view of what is best for Britain, but I don't think many people, from either side of the debate, want the British people or economy to suffer, whoever won.

Your continuous negative portrayal of those who disagree with you often overshadow any valid points you may have, imho.

Nicely put.

RizzyKing 01-07-2016 07:50

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A close trade relation is as close as I'd prefer with Europe for a while not that close we start getting sucked back into the EU, until we are fully out a full picture of our future trade is going to be difficult. Sadly under EU rules even if we trigger article 50 we cannot negotiate trade deals officially until two years have passed though I'm sure unofficial talks would start straight away and would officially apply at the end of the two years. It's one of the reasons I want article 50 implemented sooner rather then later we must be able to establish trade as soon as possible and having EU rules dictating that you must be fully out before you can negotiate is too restrictive.

Pierre 01-07-2016 08:36

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This makes perfect sense.

London will continue to be a major global financial centre regardless.

We weren't in the Euro anyway so we've always been one step removed. The infrastructure is here and all the major players are here.

To think they would all up sticks and move to Paris or Frankfurt was not a realistic proposition.

Hugh 01-07-2016 10:10

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But we dealt with Euro trades due to passporting - trillions of Euros trading are at risk now...

http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-bri...-idUKKCN0WY5DB
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If Britons vote to leave the EU, London's financial center faces losing one of its top money spinners - the trade in trillions of euros in derivatives - and the European Central Bank will be pushing hard for the business to move onto its patch...


...The trading of euro-based securities spans trillions of euros of derivatives deals as well as the 'repo' market providing short-term funding for banks - 2 trillion euros (1.60 trillion pounds) of which experts say is based in London. On top of this, there is foreign exchange trading in the currency itself.

Kursk 01-07-2016 10:42

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I should imagine Notherners and the Valleys are wetting themselves with worry about derivatives. I know you'll say that what happens in the City affects everyone but this stuff is so far removed from the lives of joe public that they evidently couldn't see the need to sacrifice their principles for it.

Que sera, sera.

Hugh 01-07-2016 11:20

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Until the tax revenue, which helps support the North, falls.

Just because they don't know about / understand it, doesn't lessen the impact...

Ignitionnet 01-07-2016 11:30

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35847343)
I should imagine Notherners and the Valleys are wetting themselves with worry about derivatives. I know you'll say that what happens in the City affects everyone but this stuff is so far removed from the lives of joe public that they evidently couldn't see the need to sacrifice their principles for it.

Que sera, sera.

Depending on which Northerners you speak to that couldn't be further from the truth. Some of the cities, the economic centres, voted to remain.

The division is put into contrast in my area. I live on an affluent estate with household income 3 times that of the rest of our local authority ward which is largely social housing, post-industrial. This estate seems to have overwhelmingly voted to remain while the majority of the rest of the ward seems to have voted to leave.

I'm going to be very interested in seeing if we see an uptick in emigration.

This is a very difficult and divisive situation and if it hits the fan a lot of people may be asking themselves why they should see their tax bills go up while public services are cut further to pay for something that wasn't just avoidable but actively chosen.

Going to be a tumultuous rest of the decade.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35847350)
Until the tax revenue, which helps support the North, falls.

Just because they don't know about / understand it, doesn't lessen the impact...

Another thing that interests me is whether people will react with stoicism to this, accepting it as the price for the vote, or will be angry and upset.

Usually recessions come about through the actions of a few, be they in political power or business, this is a rare occasion where the many will probably cause one.

Kursk 01-07-2016 14:10

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Remain made the money argument. It failed to convince a principled majority.

Damien 01-07-2016 14:22

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35847397)
Remain made the money argument. It failed to convince a principled majority.

Just because it didn't convince people doesn't mean we don't have to deal with it.

martyh 01-07-2016 14:38

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Doesn't anyone think that this will encourage the UK away from being a financial service based economy into a more manufacturing economy .At the moment don't we have all our eggs in one basket and that being the case very vulnerable to market forces beyond our control.Kickstarting the manufacturing sector again could give us more alternatives for tax receipts and lesson the blow from losing free trade in Europe

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35847285)
Exactly, and the negativity is starting to get very irritating.
It doesnt matter who "won", everyone needs to get on with life now.

Given all the uncertainty and the state our government is in did anyone actually "win"

denphone 01-07-2016 14:44

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As my lovely Mother says its best to take it a day at a time..:)

Hugh 01-07-2016 14:57

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35847413)
As my lovely Mother says its best to take it a day at a time..:)

However, running a country requires some forward planning.... ;)

denphone 01-07-2016 15:22

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Well George was planning until 2020 and that did not work out too well did it.;)

Kursk 01-07-2016 18:46

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35847403)
Just because it didn't convince people doesn't mean we don't have to deal with it.

A statement of the obvious with just a teensy tinge of pessimism.

In fairness I think you're healing rather well :).

Ramrod 01-07-2016 18:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35847271)
Actually, I think most Remain voters will think this is great news.

Tell that to the BBC :rolleyes:

Mr K 01-07-2016 21:09

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I'm glad he's committed to Britain as he has all my money. He's going nowhere, end of.

RBMark 01-07-2016 22:40

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35847524)
I'm glad he's committed to Britain as he has all my money. He's going nowhere, end of.

An there you have it, HSBC pull out of London, then every British HSBC customer withdraws every penny and moves it to Santander. The banks are rich, rich with other people's money. A good solid run on a bank from a wealthy country can be the end of that bank!

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The banks and the economy are just massive Poker sites, Poker sites need many many more "depositing players" as they're needed to allow for a few winning/withdrawing players.

A depositing player is a player who adds money to the site, loses, adds more money. They keep depositing money into the site week in week out. That's the fuel for the site.


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