[Updated] Theresa May is new UK PM
 

So I started a new thread to talk about the next leaders challenge

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36618738

David Cameron has said he intends to stand down as Conservative Party leader and prime minister following the UK's decision to leave the EU. His successor as leader will be elected by party members with the result on 9 September. Five Conservative MPs have been confirmed as candidates.


So who is up for the challenge


Theresa May

One of the longest-serving home secretaries in history, who turns 60 later this year, has long been mentioned as a potential future leader of the party.

Mrs May is one of Whitehall's toughest and shrewdest operators. In the fallow years after the Conservatives' 1997 landslide defeat, she famously said the party was referred to by some as the "nasty party".

The MP was praised for her unflappable handling of the often problematic Home Office brief - regarded as something of a poisoned chalice - although her wider political appeal has yet to be tested.

While coming out for Remain, Mrs May - who revealed in 2013 that she suffers from type 1 diabetes - maintained a relatively low profile during the campaign, meaning that she could potentially appeal to MPs looking around for an "anyone but Boris" candidate.


Stephen Crabb

One of the rising stars of the Conservative Party, and the first Conservative cabinet minister for generations to sport a beard, the 43-year-old has launched a leadership bid on a joint ticket with Business Secretary Sajid Javid.

Launching his campaign, he promised to heal the "bad blood" caused in his party by the referendum. The former Welsh secretary, who was born in Scotland, also spoke of the need to bring the United Kingdom together following the result, and said controlling immigration was "a red line" in Brexit negotiations.

Mr Crabb has a back story to which many Tory MPs are attracted. Raised by a single mother on a council estate, the Welsh politician has spoken openly about his family's dependence on benefits and the importance of work, education and his Christian faith in promoting self-reliance and economic independence.

After becoming an MP in 2005, Mr Crabb was promoted to the Cabinet in 2014 as Welsh secretary. His profile went up a notch earlier this year when he took over as work and pensions secretary following Iain Duncan Smith's resignation.

It remains to be seen whether this opportunity comes too early and whether his support for Britain to remain in the EU will hold him back.


Liam Fox



The former defence secretary, 54, has thrown his hat into the ring for a second time. Mr Fox, a former GP, came a close third in the 2005 leadership contest which saw David Cameron emerge as the victor.

But his cabinet career was cut short in 2011 following a lobbying row, which led to his resignation. Mr Fox was found to have breached the ministerial code over his working relationship with his friend and self-styled adviser Adam Werrity.

He has been a forceful voice for the UK leaving the EU on the backbenches but also for Conservative unity after the poll.

BBC assistant political editor Norman Smith said Mr Fox would pitch himself as the Brexit candidate, but not the divisive Brexit candidate - and contrasts that with Boris Johnson, whom he would argue would be divisive because of his role in the EU campaign.



Michael Gove


Unlike Mr Johnson, the 48-year-old has gone out of his way in the past to put a limit on his personal ambitions, even going so far as to suggest that he was not equipped to do the job of prime minister.

The former Times journalist, who entered Parliament in 2005, has been a close personal friend of David Cameron and George Osborne and was a key figure in the party's modernisation that led to its return to power in 2010.

He subsequently became a reforming, if controversial, education secretary and is regarded as one of the party's intellectual heavyweights.

The justice secretary's decision to back the Leave side was one of the key turning points in the campaign and although it is said to have strained his relations with Mr Cameron, he is still respected on both the Remain and Leave wings of the party and is likely to be a pivotal figure in the coming months.


Andrea Leadsom


The 53-year-old former banker and fund manager was one of the stars of the Leave campaign, giving a composed performance as she took her place alongside Boris Johnson in its TV debating team.

A former district councillor, she became MP for South Northamptonshire in 2010 and - after serving as a junior Treasury minister and as a member of the Treasury select committee - she was made a junior minister in the energy and climate change department in May last year.

Announcing her decision to stand for the party leadership, she tweeted: "Let's make the most of the Brexit opportunities!"



Who has ruled out a leadership bid?

Boris Johnson

The former mayor of London was immediately installed as the bookies' favourite to be the next occupant of Downing Street when David Cameron announced he was standing down.

But he shocked supporters and foes alike when he used an event at which he had been expected to announce his candidacy to say that he would not be standing

Jeremy Hunt

The health secretary, who joined Parliament in 2005 and is politically close to David Cameron, was "seriously considering" running for the leadership of the Conservative Party.

But on the day nominations closed he announced he would be backing Theresa May's candidacy instead.

Nicky Morgan

The education secretary had said she is "actively considering" whether to throw her hat into the ring, saying it would "be good" to have a woman in the final two on the ballot paper but has now decided to throw her weight behind Michael Gove

George Osborne

The chancellor has said he will not enter the contest to succeed David Cameron as Conservative leader, saying he does not believe he is the right person to unite the party.

John Baron

Mr Baron, who represents Basildon and Billericay in Essex, said he had been asked to consider running for Tory leader and was taking soundings but was not among the official candidates when nominations closed.

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Theresa May

Angela Merkel,Nicola Sturgeon ,Theresa May ,all in the big mud wrestling ring that is Brussels :D

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In bikinis?

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So who would you back out of all them?

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Michael Gove.

The new PM should be a Leaver not a Loser. He is super-intelligent, quick witted and a match for anyone home or abroad. Boris will be in his Cabinet. It's a masterful political move.

The times they are a-changing. Very soon everyone will wonder why we waited so long.

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Might be tricky after what Gove has just done.....:erm:

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Boris has proven that it's not just us and the rest of the world that think he's an incapable fool with no brain.

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I think Theresa may is the best bet she will follow the decision of the people and can unite people better then gove, shrewd move by Boris this way he gets away from the accusations of personal gain being his main motivation and allows him to take a run at the leadership at a future date. Gove is a capable politician but I don't think he can shake off the brexit campaign and some of the lies and misinformation that was responsible for.

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You don't think they have an arrangement? This is politics, there are always arrangements.

Theresa May made the "wrong" call in the referendum. Her leadership would be in a direction different to that wanted by the majority.

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No definitely not. Boris was apparently not informed until a few minutes before Gove's e-mail hit journalists inboxes.

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You mean the incapable fool with no brain you voted for .. ;)

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When was there a vote where the public voted for Boris recently? ....;) or do you mean the EU referendum?

I mean, we've gone through Leavers are, Racist, uneducated, poor, little Englanders, xenophobic, and now they thought it was a general election an they were voting for prime minister Boris?

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If that turns out to be true then great we can add ruthlessness to intelligence and quick wit. Gove is perfect for what lies ahead.

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(In your best Ali G voice) So you is been on 'oliday then? Respect ..

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Let's just assume (I'm now down to your level an this is where you beat me with experience I'm told ;) ) I "is been on oliday then" explain about the recent vote for Boris?

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Nobody voted for Boris Johnson many leave voters like me don't like, trust or have any confidence in Boris Johnson. Seriously some of you remain supporters need to give it up and either get with the reality now or go off quietly and do whatever the votes been done and the result is in and complaining and slinging mud isn't going to change that. We the public can carry on like politicians or we can start coming together and give an example to the politicians. Sadly there is a group in the UK who'd be quite happy for the country to burn right now just so they could say "told you so" it's depressing.

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So serious, where's your sense of humour?

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Why did Baroness Warsi cross the road? To get to the losing side. :tiptoe:

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Humour is wearing a bit thin as it's been nothing but insults and misinterpretations since the vote so you'll have to forgive some of us if we're getting a little fed up of having our democratic right mocked at every turn.

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Hezeltine will be proud

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There is a suggestion from Adam Bolton that Gove might have overreached and won't make the final 2. MPs turned off by the way he knifed Boris which, even by Tory standards, is ruthless.

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Wow, egotistical people all jockeying for position, knives in hand... who'd have thought... :confused:
Boris's demise is just the latest sensational headline required to keep people tuned in, it'll be back to Corbyn's woes tomorrow and thereafter a plague of killer bees or some such nonsense no doubt.

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I'll take Boris over Gove anytime.I will never forgive him for starting the privatisation of state education.

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l bet the hacks of our media set have never been so busy since last week.:)

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They'll have to put silly season on hold. Oh wait a minute...:D

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So apparently, at least according to Boris' camp, Gove obtained the list the Boris campaign had of supportive MPs late last week and spent the intervening time canvassing support from them before timing the announcement to ensure it caused maximum damage.

I wouldn't have thought that Gove had that level of ruthlessness!

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You clearly don't talk to many teachers. ;)

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:tu:

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Precisely why he's the best man for the job. Besides, if the main protagonists of Leave are sidelined, we had best start breaking out the pitchforks.

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New candidate for Tory leader.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...3&d=1467365796

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Absolutely wonderful Hugh.:D

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He's the same shade of grey as Theresa May.

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Looks a weak candidate to me. Mr Gove has probably already buried Death's chancessssss...

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Perhaps you can announce your candidacy old boy as you are a man of rare wisdom.:)

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Thankfully gove ended any chance Boris had and in doing it ended his chance quite fitting really and given neither of them are the right person for the upcoming tasks it's better for the country it happened. What's needed right now is a person that can appeal to both sides and bring them together Theresa may is the best option and will be capable in dealing with the EU and I think she could be a very good prime minister.

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Your acid tongue is crueller than Mr Cruel on a very cruel day Den :D.

But she's a Remainer (spit).

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Gove had a really detailed agenda but I wonder how realistic it is for him to enact it without a mandate. He basically has a entirely new manifesto for government.....

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We won the vote now is the time for reconciliation and rebuilding our society she is committed to our leaving the EU and will do what's best for the UK and she's a realist and no pushover we are going to need that more then supporting a leave candidate in the future. Gove is the only real leave candidate and after recent events where he demonstrated his personal ambition I am not confident in him doing the right thing St the right time.

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And here's me thinking that the Gover and Boris where hashing out plans for the UK after Brexit ,seems they where just hashing out each other

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I'm in favour of Theresa May as well .

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I'd just like a breath of fresh air and have someone with no Scottish origins for once.

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l think you might be disappointed Taf..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Gove

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stunning outfit Theresa;)

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I don't see anything wrong with personal ambition; isn't politics a career in which you have to be ambitious, self-confident and, well, a little bit ruthless?

Theresa May is very competent but I would be a little concerned that her health is robust enough for what lies ahead. She is already doing a good job as Home Secretary: Mr Gove would release her to achieve more in that post imho.

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The problem is he has to win support of his MPs before he gets to be put before the members.

Nothing wrong with personal ambition but it's the way he did it which seems to have alienated a lot of his colleagues. We say this is politics but politics requires some trust to function.

If he had decided to run against Boris in the aftermath of the vote then they would deem that fair, even Boris' perceived calculated approach to support Leave was deemed fair. However making yourself campaign manager for a rival and planning everything to cause maximum destruction to that rival seems to be beyond what would be considered 'fair game' in the dark arts of politics. It's ruthlessly dishonest. It's a political manoeuvre that's impossible to defend against and if commonplace would destroy any ability for politics to function if the people running your campaign were out to screw you.

Tory MPs might be asking how can they trust him when Cameron was a close friend and he did him in only for him to be given a position of trust from Boris which he promptly used to screw him over too.

If you were offered a job in cabinet in return for your support how would you know he wouldn't stab you in the back the moment he won?

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Unless you're a member of the Tory party, you don't get a vote on who the next leader of the country is. Even they only get 2 candidates which MPs choose for them.
Some democracy we've got.

I'd vote for Theresa, turns me on something rotten... Gove just doesn't do it for me...

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Personally l prefer May as Gove to me is one of those wolf's in sheep's clothing.

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First off I'm anti-tory.

NOT Crabb, didn't he say Gays can be cured? if so nil points.

As has been said the next PM MUST MUST be a Brexitier.

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Yes, but they're all stark raving bonkers.

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Latest bookies odds on the leadership

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...4&d=1467402182

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You better get your money on then Hugh.:)

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Could be worse, another party is likely to expel it's only MP...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7114526.html

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He'll probably welcome it. Just become an Independent MP with the Tory whip.

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he's a Tory spy they can have him back we don't need to feed him misinformation anymore the jobs done ;)

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Andrea Leadsom imo. After listening to her in a few brexit debates, She's the one for the job :tu:
We need a poll at the top of this thread :)

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A brexiter candidate is too divisive we need someone that will carry out the democratic will of the people and can mend fences on the mending fences alone Gove is clearly not the one. If he had been upfront about things yep I'd support him but the duplicitous way he has behaved and acted absolutely rules him out, you cannot just say "it's politics" and anything becomes ok the leader of this country has to be someone with credibility and someone people can feel will do what they say.

I voted leave as I thought that was the best thing for the UK and I don't need to have someone from the leave campaign as leader I just need a leader I can trust much as we can trust any politician and one I believe will further the national interest not their own.

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I don't think we should be too British about this - our famous sense of fair play will not serve us well in negotiations within the den of iniquity that is Europe.

All poiticians are on notice now more than ever that if you fail to serve the people in the way that the people expect, you will soon feel the weight of a hefty boot removing you from No 10.

Why is a Brexiteer divisive? Why isn't a Remainer divisive too?

This isn't about making up with anyone, it's about a divorce and experience tells us that these things can get messy.

Mr Gove has taken his chance by acting incisively at exactly the right time. Political manoeuvre is about strategy and being upfront doesn't fit. Mr Gove is a sharp cookie and having him in our corner will serve the national interest far more effectively than someone who didn't even have the vision of 17.4 million people. Besides, I still think there's more to this Boris business than meets the eye.

It will all unfold soon.

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Top tip poeple...

Satan has better odds to be PM than Leicester had to win the premier league at 5000/1. Could be a money maker/ bookie breaker...

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I'm not on about the EU when I talk of making up I'm talking about the people of this country there is a divide that needs healing much as it can as well as the EU negotiations. Leave won the vote and whoever becomes the next pm will follow the result so we're leaving, a smart but acceptable political leader is the requirement best for the UK now and Gove isn't that politician. Stabbing two friends in the back is not the quality that causes others to be open and confident in any assurances given a major part of any deal is that the deal will be respected by both could you honestly deal with Gove and not worry he'd go back on any agreement if he felt it was better for him.

May has proven to be a reliable and very competent politician and after what happened with Cameron and that deal he came back with in February no politician will make that mistake again. End of the day it's irrelevant Gove might have been clever in clearing opposition but he was stupid in being so obvious in what he did and has alienated too many fellow conservatives to become the leader.

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The prime minister is not the leader of the country,influential yes ,leader of the party with the most seats in the Commons yes,but definitely not the leader of the country .

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https://www.gov.uk/government/ministers/prime-minister Not sure what the difference between 'the leader of the country' and 'the head of the government' is?

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But we're talking being able to do basic political business. Politics does require some trust. If he has alienated his MPs he won't make a Tory Member vote.

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Quite a lot ,Obama is the leader of his country ,Cameron is the leader of the Conservative Party .America votes for a leader ,we vote for a party .That's not to say that the leader of the party and their popularity doesn't have some bearing on who votes for the party .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_...22_Premiership

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He didn't have the full backing of the Party so that rules him out straight away. Michael Gove though he's a backstabber. However I see why he did it as he knew Boris didn't have what it will take.

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I think she is a secret leaver myself. It was something on tv news the other day and she will do her best to negotiate a good deal for us.

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The leader of the country is the Prime Minister and the head of the Government surely is the Queen. She does refer to them as 'My Government'.

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The leader of the country in any real sense is the PM but the symbolic head of state is the Queen.

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But we don't vote for a leader

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No but let's not pretend the PM is one of the bigger things people consider.

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We could argue on but it would be divisive ;).

We have undergone cataclysmic change in these past couple of weeks. There are big decisions ahead. The new PM will not be some kind of agony uncle reconciling the differences of quarrelling relatives. He will be dealing with a powerful organisation that is hurt and smarting. It is no place for the reliable and humdrum, it is a place for the brash and confident or we will get walked over.

You voted leave and yet you are noticeably backing away from the ball you (we) have started rolling. It's no time to run for the shelter of Mrs Grey-Remainer. If you wanted more of the same you should have voted for Remain. Now is the time to see this thing through.

I feel he is skilful enough to overcome the doubters although it does seem his chance may be slipping away. Once again, the national interest is second fiddle to internal party politics. A mistake we will regret very soon imho.

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As an aside. What happened to democracy and majority rules? Thousands of pro-EU people gather in London to March to Parliament Square. They want us to remain in the EU and I don't think they realise the consequences of their actions. Anarchy could break out among the Leavers. There could be battles in the streets if the Government give in and either not invoke Article 50 or hold another referendum.

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a turnout of self centered little Londoner's screaming for their democratic right to ignore democracy

its all part of the five stages of grief , denial, anger, bargaining, depression and then acceptance

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Andea Leadsom seems to want a internet equivalent of the BBFC to approve sites before they're accessible: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/vo...ine-censorship

She can't be a serious candidate can she? The only reason this is coming out now is no one has previously paid much attention to her.

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Love it ,the childlike innocence ,"just implemented some way" if it was a simple as that doesn't she think it would already be done

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Sounds hopeless and is already making promises without conditions.
May and Crabb are remainers so they are out too imho.
Liam Fox isn't a statesman.
That leaves the brilliant and ruthless Michael Gove. A true brexiteer. Any other selection would be a travesty.

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So backing the loser l see old boy.;)

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The mandate is with a brexiteer; my spidey sense tells me that a substantial number of 17.4m Leavers will expect nothing less old chap ;).

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But he is not liked by the vast majority of his own party and even less liked by the public so to me that is very much a recipe for disaster and in my humble view they have to go for Teresa May to be their leader.

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I agree ,and i want Gove ,i don't care how many Tory prima donnas he's stabbed in the back ..........but i think we'll end up with T May

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I think the ruthlessness he has shown towards some of the other Tories will make him a firm favourite with the public .

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You're both probably right. But it will feel like a stitch up and may (no pun intended) extend the political instability if the negotiations with the EU don't deliver. Get Gove from the Get Go!

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His personal ratings amongst Tory members has tanked too: https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/s...77963551604736

Ultimately he has to work with those Tory MPs who he has stabbed in the bank. They only have a small majority.

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According to leave voters Teresa May is more popular with the public.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7118836.html

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Theresa May wins first round of Tory party leadership election.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-jeremy-corbyn

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Gove still in it though. Leadsom + Gove + Fox will easily be enough to give him into the members round.

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Think the Govetron is relying on tactical voting by May supporters to eliminate the certifiable Leadsom.

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So this is awkward.

Appreciate in the post-truth politics world where anyone can say anything and a bunch of people will believe it it's probably not fatal but Leadsom was, simply, lying with the above.

She had no staff under her, did not run any team of investors and was not involved in Barings wind-down and sale.

http://reaction.life/was-andrea-lead...-city-hotshot/

For those who can access paywalled goodness:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ne...-job-n80lgc2rj

I'm definitely stretching fair use if I copy/paste any more of it so will have to stop there.

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Marvelous May & Corby wheeeeeeeeeeeee

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http://order-order.com/2016/07/06/andreas-cv-mis-lead/

Trouble with lying, difficult to keep the BS consistent.

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IF May wins, she will go to the Country, almost certainly win. As Corbyn is such a ****. HE WILL LOSE.

MAGGIS TWO COMING

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Yes indeed. You thought Cameron was bad watch this. :)

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It's fast becoming really hard to find a party to vote for at all now.

Where's that 'none of the above' checkbox on the forms.

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Leadsom's levels of delusion are astounding.

She makes the Project Cheer guys on here look like pessimists.

The currency bouncing along 31 year lows is apparently fine.

Now I'm no former high flying banker, but then despite her CV neither is she, however:

It's not going to cause us to import less and buy more at home with no issues - we import most of the intermediate goods we use to produce things domestically, including energy.

We are a trading, maritime nation, importing goods is what we do due to our lack of natural resources. The reason we had an empire was to secure those resources, along with a market for our finished goods.

The FTSE 100 is indeed trading higher, precisely because it's a global stock market priced in a devalued currency.

Property funds have imposed capital controls. People holding money in UK property funds cannot get at their money due to capital flight. That'll be the inward investment this woman was talking about.

The IFS prediction of 0.1% GDP contraction a quarter for 4 quarters that was derided as part of Project Fear is looking optimistic.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2016/07/9.png

It's no wonder Arron Banks is such a huge fan of hers. She follows his model of campaigning - clueless peddling of bovine excreta.

This is a time to take stock and steady the ship, reassuring people there is light at the other end of the tunnel, not ram head into rectum and go into full-on denial mode.

This lightweight is in no way suitable for the challenges ahead. We need someone who can take the rough with the smooth, not someone whose primary management strategy is ignorance and who confuses conviction and principles with denial.

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Indeed l have never known such bad choices since l first started voting.

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Well you better get the tissues out tonight old boy.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...live?CMP=fb_gu

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I can't say I consider either of the candidates attractive enough to make me reach for the tissues. Others' mileage may vary.

I'm more likely to reach for guides to living abroad given one of the options.

May doesn't really enthrall but Leadsom terrifies.

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Yes l see May as the best of a bad bunch and that's not saying much.

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Disastrous. Neither May (Remainer) nor Leadsom (Political lightweight) are suitable.

The BREXIT vote has been stitched up and 17.4m voters will be seething. :mad:.

Our politicians are in denial.

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Think about this:

Prime Minister Leadsom answering questions at PMQs from Jeremy Corbyn.

Are you imagining it?

It'd do wonders for net migration.

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Hyacinth bucket vs Worzel Gummidge. No it can't happen. Can it? :eeek:

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Bring back Cameron.

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Although interesting the next PM will be a woman. 2nd in our history which although is obviously a bad sign historically but reflects pretty well on us in modern times. Next year we could have a Female President in the States too. 3 of the 5 biggest economies would have a female leader.

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why is it a "bad sign historically"

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and that's when the demise of the male of the species will begin ,we will be kept in a shed until breeding time :(

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Sorry I mean that only 2 is bad