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Chris 24-06-2016 08:23

Cameron resigns
 
Live on TV now.

Aims to be gone by October.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 08:25

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845020)
Live on TV now.

Aims to be gone by October.

he won't be instigating article 50 the new pm will get the job

Chris 24-06-2016 08:25

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He's trying not to blub

heero_yuy 24-06-2016 08:26

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845020)
Live on TV now.

Aims to be gone by October.

Gonna make Gary's day. :hyper::hyper:

Is Gideon going too?

Chris 24-06-2016 08:35

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Chancellor isn't a directly elected position within the party. Gideon will stay on until the new leader forms his first cabinet. At which point he's toast.

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Laura Kuennesberg is saying on the tellybox that she doesn't think Gideon will stand for the leadership either. He's damaged goods.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 08:37

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35845027)
Gonna make Gary's day. :hyper::hyper:

Is Gideon going too?

probably emptying the till ;)

heero_yuy 24-06-2016 08:40

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845032)
Laura Kuennesberg is saying on the tellybox that she doesn't think Gideon will stand for the leadership either. He's damaged goods.

Well after the ludicrous idea of a £30bn panic budget to punish the proles for voting the wrong way I should think so.

Damien 24-06-2016 08:42

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Might have an election before too long

Mr K 24-06-2016 08:49

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Never thought I'd feel physically sick the day Cameron resigned. It should have been a day for rejoicing.

I really don't think people have a clue what they've done. FTSE down 11% already. The poor will suffer most in the coming years. The British people are idiots.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 08:52

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35845042)
Never thought I'd feel physically sick the day Cameron resigned. It should have been a day for rejoicing.

I really don't think people have a clue what they've done. FTSE down 11% already. The poor will suffer most in the coming years. The British people are idiots.

your just a little ray of sunshine and joy this morning .

denphone 24-06-2016 08:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845040)
Might have an election before too long

Indeed.

Chris 24-06-2016 09:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35845042)
Never thought I'd feel physically sick the day Cameron resigned. It should have been a day for rejoicing.

I really don't think people have a clue what they've done. FTSE down 11% already. The poor will suffer most in the coming years. The British people are idiots.

Democracy, eh?

Gary L 24-06-2016 09:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35845027)
Gonna make Gary's day. :hyper::hyper:

It certainly has.

He's practically gone already. 3 months is nothing!


I will be making a speech later :)

Chris 24-06-2016 09:33

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So which Tory do you want in his place?

Gary L 24-06-2016 09:37

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Boris will be a laugh. I want Boris.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 09:37

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845059)
So which Tory do you want in his place?

i think we could run the country from CF

i would like to be minister for getting rid of cyclists and dogs on the streets ;)

heero_yuy 24-06-2016 09:56

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35845062)
Boris will be a laugh. I want Boris.

It would never be boring. Boris this side of the pond and Trump the other. :D

I also want to see all the fawning pro-EU sycophants blown out especially those like May who said one thing and then U-turned

Kursk 24-06-2016 09:58

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35845063)
i think we could run the country from CF

i would like to be minister for getting rid of cyclists and dogs on the streets ;)

Bags I minister for the eradication of people with tiny blue bollocks ;)

Chris 24-06-2016 10:02

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I first tipped Teresa May for the Tory leadership 15 years ago. I think she might well do it now. She's kept her powder dry throughout this campaign and has avoided upsetting anyone. Boris is too polarising.

Julian 24-06-2016 10:07

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IDS?

Chris 24-06-2016 10:14

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Not effective enough. They tried him once before, remember, and he couldn't cut it even as opposition leader.

RizzyKing 24-06-2016 10:29

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Boris will have a momentum for leadership now but don't think he's the right choice we need someone from the middle ground to start healing divisions. Mr K honestly give it a rest you got it wrong live with it many voted and understood there would be consequences and are ready to face them anything but idiots, though I personally offer to come and help you pack for when you leave the country you clearly hate.

Stuart 24-06-2016 10:34

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Just because he voted differently to you, doesn't mean he is wrong, and doesn't mean he hates the country.

The fact the Nigel Farage has already tried to distance himself from the inference during the Leave campaign that the £395m a week we save could be spent on the NHS might ultimately cause some voters to wonder if they were wrong though.. Note, I said inference. The campaign were very careful to say that £395m a week COULD be spent on the NHS, which a lot of people seem to have mistaken for £395m a week WOULD be spent on the NHS, so the campaign never actually promised to spend that £395m a week on anything.

Still, looking on the bright side, leaving COULD be good for us. I have actually always thought that, but personally, I think it's a big gamble we can't afford to take. I doubt Leave will be able to deliver on their promise of no European immigration while having free trade though. That has been a condition of every free trade deal with the EU, and I doubt they'd allow us to get away without imposing it.

In the mean time, leaving has already potentially cost us £250bn.

martyh 24-06-2016 10:36

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35845100)
Just because he voted differently to you, doesn't mean he is wrong, and doesn't mean he hates the country.

Given his posting history it does

Kursk 24-06-2016 10:41

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I thought the PM said the British weren't quitters? And yet, his quitting reveals that he is not prepared to implement the instructions of the majority of the British people. :erm:

Osem 24-06-2016 10:46

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Juncker and Tusdk due to speak soon. Resignations for a failed policy? Recognition of the need for EU reform? Humility in defeat? A pledge to make the decision work for both sides of the argument? Let's see eh?

denphone 24-06-2016 10:47

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Originally Posted by Stuart (Post 35845100)
Just because he voted differently to you, doesn't mean he is wrong, and doesn't mean he hates the country.

Indeed as we each have our own opinions and one should listen to other peoples opinion even though we might disagree with them as l myself voted Remain but l still love this country despite its many faults.

Ignitionnet 24-06-2016 10:51

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Given the amount of extra free time Mr Cameron will have there are a lot of nervous pigs in the country.

Osem 24-06-2016 10:51

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35845104)
I thought the PM said the British weren't quitters? And yet, his quitting reveals that he is not prepared to implement the instructions of the majority of the British people. :erm:

I think he's right to go and not immediately. Sadly, due IMHO to the way in which he led the campaign, he's tainted when it comes to taking the process forward and that will be an enduring distraction when it comes to negotiations.

Stephen 24-06-2016 10:53

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Not that I want the Tories in Power but I think Theresa May would do a good job.

Ignitionnet 24-06-2016 10:56

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 35845042)
Never thought I'd feel physically sick the day Cameron resigned. It should have been a day for rejoicing.

I really don't think people have a clue what they've done. FTSE down 11% already. The poor will suffer most in the coming years. The British people are idiots.

Realistically I don't think any of us have a clue what we've done.

After the initial shock the FTSE, both 250 and 100, and Sterling have recovered somewhat.

Way better than putting us down is perhaps looking to trying to depolarise somewhat.

Osem 24-06-2016 10:58

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35845111)
Indeed as we each have our own opinions and one should listen to other peoples opinion even though we might disagree with them as l myself voted Remain but l still love this country despite its many faults.

:tu:

But then again you haven't been posting all sorts of stuff denigrating 'the British people' which is what Rizzyking is referring to I believe - "The British people are idiots". There's not much respect for the other side evident in that comment is there? It's hard to reconcile someone who does that with someone who loves his/her country and respects the outcome of the democratic process we've just been through.

ntluser 24-06-2016 11:00

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I suspect that the EU will be keen to offer the new incumbent a much better deal than David Cameron could have got which isn't difficult as the original EU offer was an insult to our intelligence.

I think we need a PM and cabinet of Eurosceptics working to stop the EU from working its way back into control.

Ignitionnet 24-06-2016 11:04

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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35845118)
I suspect that the EU will be keen to offer the new incumbent a much better deal than David Cameron could have got which isn't difficult as the original EU offer was an insult to our intelligence.

I think we need a PM and cabinet of Eurosceptics working to stop the EU from working its way back into control.

We are leaving the EU. The vote isn't a negotiating position. We aren't getting a much better deal. It would be suicidal for the EU to do that.

ntluser 24-06-2016 11:16

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35845119)
We are leaving the EU. The vote isn't a negotiating position. We aren't getting a much better deal. It would be suicidal for the EU to do that.

It might be suicidal any way especially if dissatisfied voters in the EU start voting for parties on an anti-EU platform spurred on by the British example.

Ignitionnet 24-06-2016 11:17

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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35845126)
It might be suicidal any way especially if dissatisfied voters in the EU start voting for parties on an anti-EU platform spurred on by the British example.

So encouraging such parties by providing concessions to the UK as an example of what happens wouldn't be suicidal?

Okay.

Juncker just made very clear: we are leaving the EU, there will be no renegotiation. We are expected to make our proposals for co-operation with the EU as a 'third country', with the assumption that those proposals will be in the interests of both.

Julian 24-06-2016 11:36

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How about a reborn party riding on a pro EU ticket and a GE called very soon.

Said party then wins the election or can secure power with the SNP.

They would then have the mandate of the electorate to nullify the referendum.

Chris 24-06-2016 13:42

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35845128)
So encouraging such parties by providing concessions to the UK as an example of what happens wouldn't be suicidal?

Okay.

Juncker just made very clear: we are leaving the EU, there will be no renegotiation. We are expected to make our proposals for co-operation with the EU as a 'third country', with the assumption that those proposals will be in the interests of both.

We are indeed leaving and the EU apparatus will certainly not want to make it look easy.

But Angela Merkel is the power behind all this, and she needs votes from Germany's manufacturing workers if she is to stave off an attack from AfD next year.

The EU is very good at making things up as they go along, in response to inconvenient referendum results. I didn't vote Leave in the expectation of a sweet deal, so I'm content with whatever we get, however I'll be surprised if, when the ink dries, it will turn out that we have been thoroughly shafted.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 13:58

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845026)
He's trying not to blub

he's coming to cleethorpes tomorrow i bet he's blubing when he leaves he aint popular in these parts .

papa smurf 24-06-2016 14:04

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845218)
Breaking news:











Just for Damien. ;) :D

the i poker generation would go into meltdown if any one stopped them pokeypading .

Anonymouse 24-06-2016 14:39

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35845211)
We are indeed leaving and the EU apparatus will certainly not want to make it look easy.

I'm more concerned with whoever replaces Cameron - will s/he abide by the referendum result?

martyh 24-06-2016 14:42

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Originally Posted by Anonymouse (Post 35845227)
I'm more concerned with whoever replaces Cameron - will s/he abide by the referendum result?

Of course they will ,the only question is will they have any desire to make a good job of it .We need a Tory leader who supported leaving

Damien 24-06-2016 15:21

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35845219)
the i poker generation would go into meltdown if any one stopped them pokeypading .

Yes it's iPhones young people are worried about. Not jobs.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 15:32

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845238)
Yes it's iPhones young people are worried about. Not jobs.

they will be glad we are leaving then ,there's a lot of young uns looking for work in the all borders open EU
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...-eu-countries/

Damien 24-06-2016 15:55

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35845241)
they will be glad we are leaving then ,there's a lot of young uns looking for work in the all borders open EU
http://www.statista.com/statistics/2...-eu-countries/

Yes I am sure the boomers have young peoples' interests at heart.

papa smurf 24-06-2016 16:01

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845252)
Yes I am sure the boomers have young peoples' interests at heart.

grand parents always look after the grand kids , would you like a humbug ;)

Damien 24-06-2016 16:08

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35845253)
grand parents always look after the grand kids , would you like a humbug ;)

I can congratulate people on a victory they deserved, such as Osem, but I will still call out patronising dismissal of the fears and motivations of young people.

RBMark 24-06-2016 16:59

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845256)
I can congratulate people on a victory they deserved, such as Osem, but I will still call out patronising dismissal of the fears and motivations of young people.

It's looking like turnout in the under 35's was poor! So they couldnt even be bothered to vote, so don't cry to many tears for them. Just like the Scots with only 60% turnout, so 40% we can assume didn't care if they stayed or left.

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People who wanted their voices heard got up and voted, those that weren't interested or couldn't be bothered cannot not complain! They had their chance.

Kursk 24-06-2016 18:22

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845114)
I think he's right to go and not immediately. Sadly, due IMHO to the way in which he led the campaign, he's tainted when it comes to taking the process forward and that will be an enduring distraction when it comes to negotiations.

You're right of course. Btw, may I congratulate you on an informed and relentless campaign here on CF. There is much to be done now but we will be masters of our own destiny.

Many Remainers contributed eloquently too meaning the full range of the pros and cons were discussed at length. I'm sure it helped the then undecided.

Well done everyone (and cheer up Damien!) :)

Hom3r 24-06-2016 19:17

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Osbourne next please :D

martyh 24-06-2016 19:21

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 35845309)
Osbourne next please :D

He's vowed to make Brexit work ..........god help us

Osem 24-06-2016 19:33

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845256)
I can congratulate people on a victory they deserved, such as Osem, but I will still call out patronising dismissal of the fears and motivations of young people.

I don't feel I've won any victory, like I've said I wish it had never had to come to this and the EU had seen sense.

And likewise us parents will call out the patronising dismissal of our love for our children and concern for their futures. If you're lucky, you'll know what it feels like one day... ;)

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35845311)
He's vowed to make Brexit work ..........god help us

Will that be after his emergency budget of doom?...

Hom3r 24-06-2016 19:33

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35845311)
He's vowed to make Brexit work ..........god help us

What with! The emergency budget?

martyh 24-06-2016 19:36

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845316)
Will that be after his emergency budget of doom?...

Given he felt so strongly that the UK would fail if we left i don't see how he can remain as chancellor

Osem 24-06-2016 19:39

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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35845319)
Given he felt so strongly that the UK would fail if we left i don't see how he can remain as chancellor

Nor me. In spite of how he handled the campaign I respect what Cameron did today greatly. Can't say that about the Chancellor.

Damien 24-06-2016 19:49

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35845316)
And likewise us parents will call out the patronising dismissal of our love for our children and concern for their futures. If you're lucky, you'll know what it feels like one day... ;)

I didn't say that though. I was aiming that at the constant refrain of people saying the young people care about iPhones and games etc but in reality it's a generation which entered the job market in the aftermath of 2008 and know all to well the price you pay for economic instability.

passingbat 24-06-2016 20:29

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845323)
but in reality it's a generation which entered the job market in the aftermath of 2008 and know all to well the price you pay for economic instability.

That's a fair point. Do you think the young people have a sense of how Sovereignty has been systematically eroded bit by bit before we older peoples' very eyes? Or how it has come to light that political union was the aim from the get-go, but never made public? If they hid that, what else could they also be hiding? Once bitten.. etc. Youth and age both have their advantages.

Age often brings wisdom that is just not there as a young person.

Osem 24-06-2016 20:32

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I think I'd quite like a few more of the advantages of youth right now... :D

papa smurf 24-06-2016 20:41

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35845342)
That's a fair point. Do you think the young people have a sense of how Sovereignty has been systematically eroded bit by bit before we older peoples' very eyes? Or how it has come to light that political union was the aim from the get-go, but never made public? If they hid that, what else could they also be hiding? Once bitten.. etc. Youth and age both have their advantages.

Age often brings wisdom that is just not there as a young person.


always take experience with you on your journey- it weighs nothing ;)

RizzyKing 25-06-2016 02:39

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The young feeling more pessimistic I can understand to a point they have never known a UK without the EU and it's natural I think they attribute more to it then it might deserve. I got quite annoyed by the constant "EU has made Europe safer" as that is very disingenuous to NATO which was the number one reason for the peace in western Europe and a far bigger reason then the EU. For many of us we know there was life before the EU and there can be again and while the next year or so will have it's bumps the future for the UK is now brighter.

The referendum was very divisive and has split the country it's time now to start joining together and getting everyone on board with the path into our new national future. I am getting tired of some remain supporters who are continuing the scare mongering as it failed as a tactic in the referendum and to continue it will just highlight the divide more. Not everyone has to be happy with the result 48% of the country didn't get what it wanted but that is our democratic system and it's time to accept the result and move on.

I do wish this vote would mean the end of Nigel Farage I know he has his fans but for the majority he is off putting and an example of the lower end of the political scale and the triumphant attitude he has is not helping us to progress.

TheDaddy 25-06-2016 03:21

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35845073)
It would never be boring. Boris this side of the pond and Trump the other. :D

I also want to see all the fawning pro-EU sycophants blown out especially those like May who said one thing and then U-turned


Wouldn't it, I'm bored with bozos act already and I'm sure I'm not alone

TheDaddy 25-06-2016 03:23

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35845104)
I thought the PM said the British weren't quitters? And yet, his quitting reveals that he is not prepared to implement the instructions of the majority of the British people. :erm:


I'm no fan of Dave and I've not seen anything he's said bit until I do I'd prefer to see it as a noble act rather than petulance

bubblegun 25-06-2016 04:19

Jacob Rees Mogg for prime minister!

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/06/21.jpg

He's waaaaay funnier than Boris.

Stephen 25-06-2016 10:02

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I still think Theresa May would be the best choice to take over.

denphone 25-06-2016 10:18

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l can't see it happening though Stephen.

Damien 25-06-2016 10:22

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The Tories really should have Ruth Davidson in Parliament. She could be a good candidate albeit she is a Remain supporter. I think Boris would struggle if there was anyone willing to go against him of sufficient weight, the problem is it really had to be a Brexit supporter. There shouldn't be a PM who supported Remain put in charge of securing Leave's promises/vision.

denphone 25-06-2016 10:30

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Well whoever becomes Tory leader will probably call a General Election quite quickly as he or she has only been elected by their own party and probably will feel that they have not got the electorates mandate to govern.

Hugh 25-06-2016 13:55

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That hasn't happened the last couple of times a PM resigned...

GrimUpNorth 25-06-2016 13:58

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35845455)
Well whoever becomes Tory leader will probably call a General Election quite quickly as he or she has only been elected by their own party and probably will feel that they have not got the electorates mandate to govern.

Only if they think they're going to win it - don't forget most politicians are only in it for the good of themselves the people.

Cheers

Grim

denphone 25-06-2016 14:14

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35845526)
That hasn't happened the last couple of times a PM resigned...

But do you think it should Hugh?.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 35845528)
Only if they think they're going to win it - don't forget most politicians are only in it for the good of themselves the people.

Cheers

Grim

Indeed Grim as the country obviously have just voted to get out of the EU but anybody who thinks politicians are suddenly going to be changing their spots will be in for a lot of disappointment in my opinion

GrimUpNorth 25-06-2016 14:56

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35845532)
Indeed Grim as the country obviously have just voted to get out of the EU but anybody who thinks politicians are suddenly going to be changing their spots will be in for a lot of disappointment in my opinion

To be honest with you Den, part of me is hoping for an election before too long as it's good money helping out. The local/PCC elections in May and the referendum have paid well over £650 between them.

Cheers

Grim

ntluser 25-06-2016 15:21

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845446)
The Tories really should have Ruth Davidson in Parliament. She could be a good candidate albeit she is a Remain supporter. I think Boris would struggle if there was anyone willing to go against him of sufficient weight, the problem is it really had to be a Brexit supporter. There shouldn't be a PM who supported Remain put in charge of securing Leave's promises/vision.

Agreed. You really need someone who is committed to Brexit which eliminates all those who voted to remain.

Given that the referendum is over you would hope all Conservative MPs would rally round and support Boris who has put his career on the line for this and co-lead the Leave campaign, especially now as the fate of the nation is at stake.

Damien 25-06-2016 15:28

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Originally Posted by ntluser (Post 35845550)
Agreed. You really need someone who is committed to Brexit which eliminates all those who voted to remain.

Given that the referendum is over you would hope all Conservative MPs would rally round and support Boris who has put his career on the line for this and co-lead the Leave campaign, especially now as the fate of the nation is at stake.

Boris didn't put his career on the line. If he had lost he would have still picked up support from the Brexit side of the Tory party. It was a win-win for him.

martyh 25-06-2016 15:36

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845553)
Boris didn't put his career on the line. If he had lost he would have still picked up support from the Brexit side of the Tory party. It was a win-win for him.

Boris has a career ? i thought he was relatively new to the political landscape ,or are we talking about his Have I Got News For You appearances :)

ntluser 25-06-2016 15:52

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845553)
Boris didn't put his career on the line. If he had lost he would have still picked up support from the Brexit side of the Tory party. It was a win-win for him.

If I remember the MPs EU poll correctly most voted to remain.

I can't imagine that Boris would have got enough support to win through, especially as he has essentially been the cause of Cameron's resignation.

It may be the case that Boris has done all the hard work but does not actually get the job that allows him to carry out the job in hand.

I believe he is the bookies' favourite but life is not always fair and he may get beaten at the post.

Michael Gove and Ian Duncan Smith do not appear to want the job but we'll only find out how the Conservatives MPs feel when the candidates are announced and they actually vote.

RichardCoulter 25-06-2016 17:16

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Armed guards have been placed outside Cameron's home.

papa smurf 25-06-2016 17:18

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35845593)
Armed guards have been placed outside Cameron's home.

why has the wife kicked him out ??

Julian 25-06-2016 19:30

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Originally Posted by RichardCoulter (Post 35845593)
Armed guards have been placed outside Cameron's home.

That's to keep him in, not anyone out.

alanbjames 25-06-2016 19:37

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I voted out and when i saw Cameron resigned i was sooooo happy!

Ignitionnet 25-06-2016 22:28

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The move in leaving article 50 to his successor was masterful.

Someone else, likely Boris, is going to be down in history as the person who formally began the break up.

This was in the comments sections of everyone's least favourite newspaper.

Quote:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor.

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?
Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Paul 26-06-2016 01:36

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Pointless posts removed, stick to the topic and be sensible people.

Gavin78 26-06-2016 01:43

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Some of these remain people really need to get a reality check you didn't win for god sake whoever takes over will put it right....

Shall we talk about past Gov that have ruined this country before we start on the EU?

Get over it get a life

TheDaddy 26-06-2016 02:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavin78 (Post 35845697)
Some of these remain people really need to get a reality check you didn't win for god sake whoever takes over will put it right....

Shall we talk about past Gov that have ruined this country before we start on the EU?

Get over it get a life

Really like this guy...

http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/rememb...endum-5963900/

Damien 26-06-2016 08:34

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Ironically the person who started the petition was a Leave supporter who started it thinking they had lost the referendum.

Hugh 26-06-2016 09:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35845722)
Ironically the person who started the petition was a Leave supporter who started it thinking they had lost the referendum.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/683...ail-the-Brexit

2nd Year Politics student


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