[Updated] Thomas Mair found guilty of the murder of MP Jo Cox
 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ire?CMP=twt_gu


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Let's hope it's not serious.

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+1

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52 year old man arrested, she is a critical condition.

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Terrible

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She has died as a result of her injuries :(

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That's incredibly tragic news.:(

RIP Jo.

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I hope the person who has done it is caught.

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Erm...you've not read the story have you....

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Obviously hasn't read post #4 either.:D

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From the OP

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Madness.

From OP's link

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Always thought MPs were very vulnerable to nutters at these surgeries. Be a sad day if they stop doing them.

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Apparently he suffers from a mental illness.

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Lots of speculation online about the murderer, we don't know what is true and what isn't at the moment.

First MP to be killed in 20 or so years I think, horrific.

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R.I.P Jo and my thoughts are with her family and friends

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It's pretty horrible this has happened in Britain. Very dark times.

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Terrible tragedy. So awful for her family and loved ones. RIP

I know what it's like to lose a partner very suddenly and be left with young children so my thoughts go out to her husband and children in particular. There will be very tough times ahead but hopefully they'll find light at the end of their tunnel.

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Dark times indeed. RIP Jo ..

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Likewise.

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RIP Jo Cox. My sympathies are with your family.

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A poignant message from her husband:

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/16/eu...inkId=25630609

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There were rumours of this yesterday but it now does seem he had links with far right groups: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...s-group-claims

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With an unhealthy interest in Nazis, South African Apartheidists and white supremacy.

Nice.

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A lot of people have an interest is such topics but 99% are not violent an would never dream of carrying out such a horrific crime. Just like like we have millions of people of from all colours/ religions/ creeds that never carry out violent crimes. But there will always be people that kill in the name of a belief or religion.


I think the we do need to start listening to White British though, instead of standing on them. We are told a minority of blacks/Asians etc are violent as that is the only way their voices can be herd.

White people are told they can't understand racism as you're white, white British are told everything that Britain ever did is your fault, White British males are told told you can't understand Blacks/Asians/Sikhs/ETC.

I think my point is........In the future white British males may well need to be heard, A 40 year old German males is never told he needs to apologise for the Nazis.

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Well, that didn't take long...

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Please tell us, what is it that prompts you to trawl the Internet looking for discussions like this one?

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However tragic all this is, I can only think how much MPs will be demanding to pay for "enhanced security" of themselves, their colleagues, their families and premises?

You know, the sort of police presence we are being denied due to their cuts?

And what of the 77-year-old who was stabbed in the stomach trying to defend her?

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Bad form using this to score points over austerity to be honest.

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Or any points at all......*looking at 'in' journalists* :dozey:

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I agree with all of what you've said apart from the last bit since Germans are still (rightly or wrongly) being held hostage to their past.
Now hear this, my father was in the SS and my middle name is Adolf (I sh*t you not) but this forum and especially this thread is not the place for for your white male underdog (which I agree with) or white supremacist (which I don't) opinions.
:dozey:

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FFS.

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Alex Massie in the Spectator put it well

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She must have been well respected if the Syrian Groups she fought for left messages of condolences, and Obama has even phoned the husband.

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I'm sick of the media hype on it all. This death is tragic and I wouldn't wish this on anyone like this.

But people die every day and some of them have contributed to this country and a whole host of other things but they don't get this kind of media attention and donation pages setup in the form of 500k to charities that they wouldn't have even donated to in the first place.

She was an MP doing a job that millions of use do everyday that wouldn't get this kind of recognition.

I noticed the 77 year old got a quick mention in the news I almost missed it so where it the media coverage on this person absolute joke in my opinion.

like I said it's sad that this has happened I am married with kids and I wouldn't want to get a phone call that something like this has happened but I think this has totally blown out of proportion.

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I'm afraid it's become a bit of a PR opportunity for some within Westminster and as we all know, they rather like jumping on any opportunity to make themselves look better. For all the fine sounding words of folks like Sadiq Khan, the usual self serving nastiness will resume next week after their orgy of navel gazing. It was only a couple of weeks ago that Amber Rudd was being congratulated by all and sundry for her very personal attacks on Boris Johnson and of course Nigel Farage has been fair game for all manner of personal abuse by good Westminster folk.

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A sitting MP has been murdered, largely it seems due to their position as an MP, it's a big news story.

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Yes it is. However, for those directly involved it's no bigger story or loss than anyone else who's suffered a similar fate. We're on the verge of this country's biggest decision for decades and there's plenty of time for the good folk of Westminster Village to do what they're paid to do and pay their respects to a lost colleague. I wonder if Jo Cox would have wanted to campaigning on such an important issue to cease...

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I read that 40k signatures have been signed so far calling for an end to the referendum in the wake of her death.

Seems the stupid are coming out in mass now I hope they are the ones who haven't got a vote

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Sadly the ether contains its fair share of idiots who'll put their names to virtually anything. Having said that, 40,000 is less than a third of the number of people who voted for Boaty McBoatface.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-36064659

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http://www.libertygb.org.uk/news/lib...-jo-cox-murder
First time I heard of this lot was on the radio today.

TBH, not sure an unopposed by-election is the right thing, no matter what circumstances caused it, the voters should have a choice, even if the result would seem to be inevitable.
Britain is a democracy, and MPs are elected, not appointed.

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It's a difficult one. On one hand the idea that you respond to the shooting with another example of democracy is a good one yet on the other hand there would be something weird and uncomfortable about a seat changing hands as the result of the assassination of the sitting MP. Not to mention the atmosphere of campaigning would be depressing and local Labour activists are probably not in the mood.

Overall I think it's the best thing to do.

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I'm still waiting for the 'I'm voting remain for Jo' Facebook posts.

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It'll be a sad day when the national vote is determined by the death of a minor MP rather than the future of our country.:(

Please note that I am not dissing Jo Cox. RIP.

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Know many people that have been shot three times and then stabbed in the street by mad man.
I suppose Lee Rigby wasn't a big deal either.

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The is no limit to the immensity of the stupidness of that post.

In the context of the current campaign, an MP has been butchered in the street by seemingly a far right head case.

Pretty much a mirror of Lee Rigby being butchered in the street by a head case claiming to do it in the name of Islam.

I didn't see anyone claiming Lee Rigbys murder being "blown out of Porportion"

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Well for starters it takes longer to get the details on a member of the public. He did, however, get quite a nice piece in the Tele over the weekend. Turns out he's a bit of a local hero already, as a retired mine rescue worker.

Having said that, if you can't see that the premeditated murder of a member of our legislature, killed for what she believed and worked for, is fundamentally an assault on our system of democracy, then I worry for you.

There are places in the world where this sort of thing is far from uncommon. I trust you wouldn't want the UK to join them in the gutter - in which case, joining with the rest of the adult population in treating this case with due seriousness would be a good idea.

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Who I know has precisely nothing to do with the issue but what I do know is that people are being murdered every week, all too often by 'mad men/women' who can't get the required medical help and HMG has done sweet FA about it for years. Maybe you missed the bit where I pointed out it's a terrible tragedy but my point remains and I didn't say it wasn't a terrible loss I said it's no bigger a loss than anyone else who's suffered a similar fate. Some of what we're seeing now is an absurd and increasingly opportunist overreaction on the part of those who're supposed to be running the show. Since you seem to be fixated with Lee Rigby today, yes that was a tragedy too but tell me how many serving soldiers who've died appalling deaths at the hands of assorted global maniacs have ever got that sort of coverage? Didn't they deserve it? The coverage and aftermath of that appalling incident had far less to do with Rigby or concern for his family than it had to do with the nature of the event committed as it was in full view of the public.

Oddly enough I have a good deal more in common with the family than you might think and know all about the terrible loss losing a wife and mother of young children involves. In the real world most people who suffer such a fate just have to get on with it and get precious little help or recognition in the process. That's exactly what I had to do.

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You have my respect.

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And unfortunately most times it's not national newsworth, but this is, and if you can't see or understand the reason why then you need to think a bit harder.

Similar fate? I say again, I bet there aren't many innocent people in the UK just going about their business that are gunned down by a total stranger in the street and then just for good measure stabbed several times.

Most soldiers die in battle in foreign lands not hacked to death on UK streets, any soldier killed in action is one too many but unfortunately the risk is inherent to the role.

Erm......you mean like Jo Cox was????

The parallels between Lee Rigby and Jo Cox are blindingly obvious, and I think I can say for certain that no posts on this site once suggested that the coverage Rigby's murder received was being blown out of proportion.

all people lose people I lost my father at a young age, it's not grief top trumps, yes we all get on with it, but I would scorn another's situation out of prejudice of anything that happened to me.

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That's why I qualified my statement by using the term 'a similar fate' something you seem unable to understand. By definition I'm not referring to people who've NOT suffered a similar fat, stabbed, shot, raped, butchered and worse. There are plenty of people who've suffered terrible trauma and lost loved ones and we hear nothing about it. At no point have I minimised what happened to Jo Fox, merely put it into perspective. Odd how you reckon I'm playing top trumps when I explain the reason for my point of view then go onto your own version of the game. Nice. Unlike you I've been in the same situation as Mr Fox, with kids aged 3 and 5. You haven't so what do you know about how it feels? Precisely nothing.

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I also lost my father at a young age but that also has nothing to do with this murder. If he can't see what is happening here then I'd give up arguing. Some people have an axe to grind and nothing will come in the way ..

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I find it ironic that so many on the internet and in the media are drawing a straight line between brexit rhetoric and this horrible murder when this kind of thing is going on and they seem all right with it :(

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The fact this woman was an MP and seems, at the moment, to have been killed because she was an MP and because of her politics is what has elevated this to a national issue.

Lee Rigby was murdered in a terrorist attack on British soil by a civilian. He wasn't killed in action, by an opposing army, abroad. That's why his death became a story.

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I know why the murder is a story and a national issue and the media's done an exceptional job of keeping it in the news. My argument is that parliament's response is now OTT and being used by some as a means by which to influence the EU debate. If MP's want to continue to grieve and mourn in their own time that's fine by me. If they want to erect a statue that's fine by me but there's important work to be done and they ought to be getting on with it and serving those who've elected them at this time more than just about any other I can think of. Does anyone really think Jo Cox would want this hiatus? I don't.

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Well yes it is rather hypocritical isn't it. I recall plenty of glee and laughter when Farage and his family were confronted by a mob during a Sunday lunch at the local pub. Who would have known the true intentions of that group until after the event? It certainly would have been traumatic for his family even if Farage is tough enough to take it in his stride.

It seems quite a lot of people don't mind inciting or employing a bit of hate and violence when the targets of it happen to disagree with them.

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This murder has now been hijacked by a group and they are using it for all their worth and as horrible as this was for the family it should not be a factor in the referendum and the way it's being used to further one side in the referendum is despicable.

But we now know how low some will go to get what they want and that's something I won't forget anytime soon.

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Well I hope it backfires on them. ****.

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Looks like her death was very convenient for some.

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Her death was convenient for NONE, she was murdered by a mentally ill man. Nothing to do with the EU referendum.

Anyone who says different is full of hate! An wants to encourage us to be divisive, we stand together condemning this horrific murder.

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The trial has started: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37978582

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how is the jury made up in this type of trial [its being branded political/[ideological ] so is the jury picked from those with varying political views is it all left wing or all right wing.. hows it done?

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I would imagine usual random pick of the public and anyone stating political or ideological leanings is dismissed but been many years since i was in a court so might be totally wrong Papa.

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Is this thread borked?

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Nope there we go. Carry on

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Left or right is irrelevant unless they have extreme views. They should however be broadly representative. Murder is murder if proved. Up to the judge/defence/prosecution to challenge if they're not happy with any juror.

Never understood why 'political' murders are treated any different. N Ireland is a case in point, many, from all sides have escaped justice. However this doesn't look to be political. It looks to be the work of a psycopathic nutter (who might or might not be the defendant), who might try and use politics as a reason. Insanity would be a better plea.

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http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.u.../event?2347694


Her and the man who tried to intervene contrast so starkly with the murderer.

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They're not offering a defense despite pleading not guilty...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38064407

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Guilty: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jo-cox-murder

What a coward he is.

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There is only one penalty which l think is suitable for people like this but alas that is never going to happen.

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-jo-cox-murder

Good on the judge. Mair refused to offer a defense or speak to the police and he suddenly wants to address the court after the verdict. He's right that Mair only faked patriotism.

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I suspect that Mair only wanted to spout his right wing filth ,the judge did right in not allowing him a platform for his garbage

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Yeah he was hoping to grandstand. Some small satisfaction to be gained in taking that away from him, hopefully no paper gives him such a platform either.

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Whole-life term. Good. Can't see it ever being safe to let him out.

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He was writing the name of people in the public gallery that he recognised on a notepad for some reason, probably not a good one.

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"extreme right wing terrorist"?
has any right wing organisation laid claim to him ?

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that's what nutters do .

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No, he operated alone. Terrorists don't have to belong to a group to perform terrorist acts.

Yup.

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Why would any of them have to? His motives were obviously of the extreme right, judging by his bookshelf.

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Not sure if paywalled but good story here about him: https://www.ft.com/mair

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A true hero.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...-cox-has-died/

RIP Bernard