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I have my political hat on today! For those you you who cannot make your mind up, perhaps a personal experience might help!!

In response to a comment on another posting and Nigel Farage's visit to Peterborough. This is how I feel about the remain campaign and our government. Vote LEAVE

I moved to Peterborough with my military spouse. I am aged over 50, I have never had an issue with gaining employment in any other area I have lived. I have worked within many highly respected institutions and I cannot find a job here. I was entitled to 6 months jobseekers allowance based on my NI contributions and when this ceased, it was simply a case of you are on your own! It was the most disgusting, demoralising process I have ever had to go through, I can understand why people are so frustrated. I am not entitled to any benefits, training/courses, job assistance, council tax relief etc. The reason for this is because my husband earns over the income threshold. I have paid my taxes for 35 years and have never been unemployed until I moved to Peterborough. My husband has to pay for my prescriptions, dental, job hunting expenses, etc. need I go on.

I see job adverts asking that candidates speak Polish - I thought we were in an English speaking country! Is it fair recruitment policy when 2 family members from an Easter European country secured jobs within the same 'training' organisation which JCP use to improve the skills of jobseekers? A high proportion of jobseekers who use these government funded services are EU citizens or should I say 'economic' migrants. My tax pounds are being used to improve employability skills for EU migrants yet I have no entitlement to these service myself whilst I am 'unofficially' unemployed. I am therefore not counted when the government display unemployment statistics! For my own self pride and as I have always been independent, I applied for a farm job simply to bring in an income (and use it as an opportunity to get fit) and my application was ignored. Was I over qualified? Was I too old? Did I not have any transferable skills I could use to undertake manual labour! It's not true that British born workers are unwilling to take certain jobs. I agree with another poster who is also correct in pointing out the benefits that come with taking on a low paid job. It is the influx of migrants in certain areas that keep salaries low. Do you seriously believe that there would be the same level of economic migrants willing to work and live in Britain if the government didn't offer tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. etc.

I am not a politician, I am not an economist, I am not an academic, I am simply one of the many who is fed up of being tossed aside and sick to the back teeth of watching Britain deteriorate as a nation. The Remain Campaign are putting the fear of death into voters, they are absolutely despicable. I would suggest hooking politicians up to a lie detector and every time they told a porky, they would receive an electric shock. Oh, we can't do this as we need to consider their human rights! I detest this government, what happened to human rights of those who have committed suicide because they were declared fit for work and they obviously were not. Research it. What happened to the human rights of those who couldn't obtain treatment for mental health issues. Research it. What about ex-military who end up homeless? Research it! How are our pensioners being treated. Research it.

The country is at breaking point and it is only going to get worse. Yes, we need an Australian type visa system. Let us recruit internationally for the jobs that have a skill shortage. Let us recruit internationally, for example, to get the best academics and medical professionals. Don't continue to cut funding for nursing training. provide better training for British citizens so we are qualified to fill skill shortages. Make Britain a great place to live and work and people with skills wouldn't feel they had to leave to make a better life for themselves! It shouldn't be a free for all. Yes, we are reminded that a free Europe is beneficial as it opens up many opportunities for employment in many other countries within the EU. There is one little obstacle to this though, many countries in Europe do not use English as a first language so we are already at a disadvantage. In Britain, we have never been encouraged to be bi/multi-lingual so obviously there are more people coming to the UK from Europe to work than those leaving to work in Europe. The country is a shambles, it is a mess.

If you don't have an experience of 'real' Britain and you are living in your little bubble, don't take the time to comment. A great man (Elvis) once sung 'Walk a mile in my shoes...' Those of you who vote remain are obviously comfortable in your expensive Jimmy Choo's!! We need to lose this government and we need to take Britain back too. Well done tonight Nigel Farage! Peterborough is a difficult one due to the very high number of economic migrants. Britishness has left Peterborough!!

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Tried to read but my eyes went funny too big a wall of text break it into paragraphs to make it easier to read and understand.

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Is that better for you ;)

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Yes. but I'll have to read the other half tomorrow.

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.. glad you still have a sense of humour, I have lost mine! Might regain it on 23rd!;)

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From what I can read of that Jobs and foreigners seem to be your only issues?

I personally don't want the UK Government and the Tories having free reign to do what they want! They could easily undo a lot of good things the EU has done for us in regards to environmental issues and rights for workers and a whole host of other things.

I know in Scotland it is being reported unemployment is down to its lowest for a while so foreign workers really can't be taking all the jobs here.

Thats why I am voting remain.

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Well said JackJone.

The biggest trouble with this forum, is that there are loads of Cameron and Osborne Lovers. That don't like people having a go.
It made me laugh when Puppet Osborne said that if we leave, the poorer will get poorer. And that he will have to rip to pieces the budgets, to close the gap in the economy.

Not being funny, but what has Cameron and Osborne been doing since they came to power. Been ripping the welfare state to bits, thousands of people made redundant due to cuts to benefits etc etc.

This Tory Government make me sick. And the good thing is that after the election, we will go to the country, for a new PM. As Cameron wont survive.

I want out, so we can take this country back. Close our Borders. And go to the Australian system.

To me IF you don't have a job, You cannot come in

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Yes it is easier to read and although I'm voting out immigration is not high on my list of reasons even though many of my family are builders and have been hit very hard by foreign builders coming to the uk. For me immigration is a double edged sword as perception is different depending where you live, live in Dover and your perception will be markedly different to someone living in Kensington immigration is not a universal issue. I'm not saying it isn't important and we do need to address it but I would like leave to concentrate on the sovereignty issue as I think that strikes a chord with most people.

As to lousy government there is no good news whether we vote to leave or remain because it will be the same shower in the next election as the last and with labour having the political tactical skill of a lemming your getting at best a Tory coalition if not total Tory government out of the next general election. We have a lot of work ahead of us in the uk not least repairing the damage done by this bunch of cretins during the referendum.

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Leaving won't get rid of the Tories and closing our borders is really stupid.

Yeah lets be this little tiny Island all alone with a great big fence around it! No thanks!

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Stephen your smarter then to use that argument as very few leave supporters remotely fall into that category.

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What category?

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Arthur, I am not a "Cameron and Osborne Lover" and I am voting Remain.

Let's get one thing clear: if you think the current Tory administration is bad, just wait until you get the one replacing it courtesy of Boris and The Gover. The Labour party voters seems to voting Boris into power .. it's like Turkeys voting for Christmas ..

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"Make Britain Great Again" .. maybe this would work as political slogan?

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Brexit is not talking about closing our borders; they want to control them. Massive difference.

No one from Brexit is saying that either. Brexit want cooperation between Sovereign Nations. Way different from your assertion.

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Oh I see we are playing stupid today ok few leave voters are in the category of fencing the uk off and retreating from the world but to be honest if you don't know that by now then your either not really interested and are using standard remain campaign rhetoric or your trolling for whatever reason either way stroll on.

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I'm on Remain's side but Leaving might well be a short term way to remove the Tories for now. I can't see this government going on for 4 more years, they hate each other. Also although we don't vote for the PM I am unconvinced that changing leader just one year in, ahead of a major upheaval of the nation, would be acceptable to the public. Cameron was part of the deal with the electorate.

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A vote to remain is a vote down the drain

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Thanks to labour choosing corbyn for leader one month, one year or the rest of the term your going to get a Tory government but out of the EU they might have to tone down their silliness a bit.

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.. That is why I entitled my posting 'a personal story and why I am voting Leave'! This is the issue that affects me personally. There is simply too much propaganda by the remain team.

Do you really think we would go back to the dark ages if we leave Europe? If workers rights were not respected the government in question would not be re-elected. We would still have unions in place. Apparently it is all doom and gloom if we leave Europe. My parents generation had workers rights and they seemed pretty happy pre-Europe. Everything just isn't going to stop. I am sure if you were in a similar situation, you would feel the same.

You can't get social housing, you can't get your school of choice, you can't get a doctors appointment for nearly 2 weeks, you have to wait long periods for surgery, your elderly parent is ill and has to lie in a hospital corridor, I could go on.

We need British rights. We are an island and our infrastructure can only take so much.

You mention environmental issues, the Kyoto protocol springs to mind, do you really think the UK would not have signed up if we weren't in the EU? You are basically saying that we don't have any weight in the world and we cannot make our own decisions.

Listen to the arguments by Nigel Farage. Every debate I watch encourages me more and more to vote leave. There are many valid points. The remain team have already shown themselves up by instigating personal attacks on the leave team. They continue to do so. mmm lets float down the Thames with a bunch of rich idiots on a large boat!

You mention Scotland's unemployment rates. I am Scottish. There are many more 'economic' migrants who join their already set up communities in England. Look at London, Greater Manchester, Luton, Birmingham, Peterborough etc. Scotland does not have the level of migrants England does so your point isn't really valid. Scotland also has a lower population so take jobs per capita - of course employment rates will be lower. I wish I could return to Scotland as there would be a job available for me to go to and I would receive a decent wage. I worked in another large city a couple of hours from here (and not it wasn't London) and my salary was a minimum of a third higher for the same job in Peterborough. So yes, 'economic' migrants are bringing salaries down. And who pays, we do. You do realise the low wages are subsidised by the tax payer by way of tax credits, housing benefit, child allowance etc. I thought I would reiterate that. You do realise that the spouses of service personnel for instance who are unable to claim benefits aren't detailed in unemployment figures as we are in effect invisible!

You talk of workers rights. Yes, it has its pros but it also has its cons. It is so difficult for companies to get rid of lazy or unsuitable employees. A perfect example would be government staff. My experience with the jobcentre and DWP has been atrocious, I have never had to deal with such a group of arrogant, rude, unhelpful and stupid people in all my life. They just cannot be sacked!! So they have their rights respected, what about mine? Europe doesn't come to my aid when my human rights are neglected.

On top of that political correctness has gone mad. Read the attached, this is what Europe has contributed to...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/p...rrectness.html

Enjoy watching Britain deteriorate if you vote remain. Turkey, Serbia, Albania, Montenegro and Macedonia WILL have free access to the UK. We will be opening the floodgates to terrorism, crime etc. You do know that Isis sells smuggled oil to Turkey and Iraqi Kurds.. do you really want to open up our borders to a country who fund ISIS. Who will come into our country,what will their intentions be? Will you put your family or next generation at risk? Yes it is your choice. I would take the risk of a little less annual leave for a safer and more prosperous Britain.

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I totally agree with you. I have had to deal with the DWP over the last few months and I am close to breaking point!! I read all these stories of people being turned down for Employment Support Allowance, disability benefits etc. and the negative impact it has had - depression, suicide and death in some cases. This government needs to go and yes, we do need to take Britain back!

Remember and vote in black ink!!;)

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Pah a fence, we need a wall and if he doesn't get the top job I know just the man to build it, he's a foreigner but he's okay, a clown with stupid hair, he'll do well here.

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You're never funny, all the times I've stuck up for you and you come up with this drivel, I'll be voting remain and despise the Tories and their ceaseless drive to make party doners richer by pretty much giving them public assets and here's another shock, we let more people in the country last year from outside the EU than in, Australian system my backside.

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:rofl: That's what I hear those slack jawed yokel rednecks say all the time except it's America they want to take back obviously. I've always wondered whom they're taking it back from and what they'd do with it once they'd got it.

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???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

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???? Well, rather a slack jawed yokel with a background check than an unknown!! America is an amazing country and it always will be no matter who is in power! Wish I could say the same for Britain....

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:tu:

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If it's so amazing why does such a sizeable number seem so determined to "take it back"

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wow that post is so small minded and sounds like something a UKIPer would say

The only reason Britain is deteriating is because of our Government. The EU at least keeps them from 100% destroying us.

Also we have British rights, backed up by the EU. We have workers rights the EU improved them.

I have a good job now but went through a couple of bad years recently and got all the help I needed. I work in a place that employs British people, Irish people, Polish people, Indian People, Spanish people French people who all live here and are entitled to have jobs to earn money for them and their families.

You make it sound like they shouldn't work and should all be sent home so British folk can have the jobs and social housing. That is so so wrong.

We should be proud as Brits that we are a welcoming multi cultural society who welcomes others when they have no one to turn to and no where else to go. A place where people should feel happy.

Next you'll be saying the earth is flat.

Also tin hat time. Vote using the wax pencils they give you. They can't be erased and should your ballot paper get wet the vote will still be there unlike a black pen!

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No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

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You're not on your own, you have a husband.

You know, for richer for poorer

Benefits should be a last resort safety net, your husband obviously earns enough to cover you while you're job hunting.

Good luck and I hope you find work soon.

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Really? Come on. Nobody is suggesting closing our borders. Controlling immigration isn't closing anything. We will still need to and want to accept migrants who fit the skill shortages we have.

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Well said :clap::clap:

The most sensible comment I've read in any of the EU Referendum threads on these pages!

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Listening to all the drivel that comes out of the remain campaigns mouth and those that support it and you say that a sensible comment is one that supports a dictatorship that scares people so much to get a vote out of them?

While I can stand and say yeah I agree even the brexit side have been a bit hit and miss but nowhere near as much as the remain side.

The lengths they have gone to to ensure it goes their way. I'm waiting for the men in black to turn up and make sure I vote their way or no way.

I'm surprised they haven't mentioned bringing the death penalty back for those voting out for treason's against their country. They might be saving that one for last eh?

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Thank you, I was just waiting in this comment and I am glad you brought this up! I have paid into the system for 35 years and have always been INDEPENDENT. My husband should NOT have to keep me when there are families who are better off than we are on benefits - those who have NOT contributed. You obviously don't understand. You try paying (from one salary) a mortgage for your permanent home (which elderly parents on a limited pension use as they could NOT get social housing) and upkeep costs, rent and bills for your military home, all expenses relating to dental/medical, interview expenses, education costs for paid courses to aid my husband's career for when he leaves the military, I could go on yet again. What about feminine products? For gods sake give me some dignity!!! You say my husband obviously earns enough to keep me, only your net pay is considered not the pay you are left to live on!

I will reiterate, if it wasn't for the sad state of affairs in Peterborough job wise then perhaps I could get a job which is needed to at least live a little better. I did not choose to live here, my husband was sent here! Have you visited Peterborough? Perhaps you should give up your job, choose to live in an area outside Peterborough where there is a limited bus service (I cannot drive due to sight issues), give up your car, pay extortionate travel costs to try and get to a minimum wage job (if you can get one) and support your family. It's easy to talk the talk but much harder to walk the walk.

In saying this, I should also point out, we can no longer afford a social life, none of us drink or smoke either. My husband gives his life for Queen and Country - for people like you and you believe his standard of living should suffer because of a sentence used for solemnising the act of marriage! I am not religious, these were not my vows and my husband did not sign a contract.

It is a shame, if I was obese, a single mother who popped kids out conveyor belt style, a drug addict or an alcoholic, I would get assistance - but we need to consider their human rights! Such a shame I cannot afford to stock my cupboards up enough to become obese, I could not afford cigarettes, drugs or alcohol even if I wanted and believe me, there are many days when a little something would help me get through the day. Watch Panorama, Benefits Britain etc. It is a sad state of affairs. Benefits should be a last resort safety net you say, watch these programmes, watch these people boasting that they are better off not working whilst their can of beer is sitting at the side of their couch, they are puffing on a cigarette and their cannabis is hidden in some tin away from the camera. Wow, wouldn't this be great as a last resort safety net. Bring it on...

It is the hard working lower middle class people in Britain who suffer nowadays. I am not an exception, this is the norm for many people. You have obviously not experienced it and I hope you don't.

I am stuck in this hell hole for another 7 months and this is also a reason which makes gaining employment difficult - the company has to accept the burden of additional recruitment costs to recruit when the spouse has to relocate with his/her partner. It is a well known fact that military spouses are in an area for a fixed period. What chance do I have now? I do apologise to anyone living in this area for referring to Peterborough as a hell hole, if it is your home and you love it, I am happy for you. Many Peterborough residents have complained that their city is no longer recognisable due to the influx of economic migrants - and again, why should they suffer!

Yes, I want out of Britain and I would like a new government. ... but unfortunately, you cannot always get what you want!

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Stephen merely said people should vote, he didn't specify which side they should vote for. You appear to be telling Stephen that his comment is not sensible because he said he would vote Remain.

Regardless of how people vote, I personally agree. They should vote.

A bit hit and miss? The leave campaign promise that leaving the EU would save around £20bn a year (based on £395m a week). Add up the costs of all the things they've promised to spend that £10bn a year on (ignoring the fact that we have no guarantees they will spend anything). The cost is nearer £100bn. They've also glossed over the fact that they don't know what trade (and other deals) we will get when our current deals will expire, and that we don't know the costs involved. They've also not mentioned the costs involved in things they've promised (like better border control).

Both campaigns have used scare stories. Both have lied.
I doubt it.

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This would require Corbyn to get his act together though. He would need to get the Remain Tories to side with him and the SNP's to force a vote of no confidence in the new post Brexit Boris government. Is this likely?

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I totally agree that people should vote either way.

However the reports show that the EU us worried that if we pull out the whole thing could collapse.

If it is so unstable that 1 country can pull out and the whole thing topples over then for me that just says it's a sinking ship and we are going to get pulled under with them if we don't vote out.

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Its not that its unstable but if we leave then other may follow.

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I suspect that a lot of other Countries are watching with great interest and if we do (by a miracle) leave, then the whole house of cards will follow.


Which kinda begs the question, if it's that crap, should it really exist in its present form, we'll see in 8 days or so.

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If the EU were viable I'd be concerned about leaving but it isn't so I'm not. I am sad it's got to this point however, due in no small measure to the egos and arrogance of the Eurocrats whose chief attribute seems to be seeing success in failure.

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Well, surprise, surprise. Why do you assume I am a UKiper and why would that be an issue? I only want, in my personal opinion, what I think is best for Britain. You have your say, I have mine.

You obviously have not read the whole thread, Britain will not crumble. The leave campaign don't want to build a wall and stop migration completely. Why don't remain campaigners understand the word CONTROL. Should we use the word MANAGE? Will this make it easier to understand?

I am pleased you had all the help you needed, it is a shame there is such a division in who is helped and who isn't.You were one of the lucky ones. If Europe is so good for our country, why are people experiencing the issues they do. If Europe are big on human rights and they want to protect us, why don't they step in and help the people who are being treated despicably by this government. They cannot just pick and choose. What do they really do in all honesty. They do what benefits them best! See one of the many stories below:

A grandad who had just found out his benefits were being stopped shot himself dead – after telling friends he was “unable to cope”.

Shaun Pilkington, 58, was sent a letter saying he was to lose his *Employment and Support *Allowance, which he got after a long-term illness.

He was told he would have to be reassessed and needed to prove he was eligible. But as the hearing approached, friends said Shaun, a licensed gamekeeper, became discouraged.

Days later he called police and said he was about to kill himself. They found him dead at his flat.

A neighbour said: “There were armed police everywhere. Sadly he’d gone through with his threat.

“It is a tragedy. He was upset because he got a letter saying his ESA was being stopped.

“He was pretty down about it and said he was finding it hard to cope with the decision. He was a lovely man. It is not fair what the Government is doing.”

Well-wishers left floral tributes and cans of Stella outside Shaun’s home in Beighton, Sheffield.

The neighbour added: “It all got on top of him – having no money for Christmas and being warned he’d lose his benefits.

“It’s wrong what they’re doing, targeting people on benefits. We haven’t got a lot of money but the Government seems intent on cutting it.”

As to your comment 'You make it sound like they shouldn't work and should all be sent home so British folk can have the jobs and social housing. That is so so wrong' please direct me to a sentence I have actually said this? This is absolutely your opinion and an incorrect opinion at that.

I have worked with many nationalities throughout my career, I have provided guidance and advice on the visa Tier system. I fully believe in multi-culturism. I also believe that we should allow the most skilled people to Britain to work. We need the best in academia, the medical profession, areas where there are skill shortages, unskilled workers to meet economic demands but we need to check we are allowing good, decent, hard working people into our country.

Obviously you are not aware that some countries do not hold criminal record information in the way that the UK does. For instance, in the UK, someone who has committed 2 crimes now matter how minor will always have these detailed on an enhanced records check if they wish to work will children or vulnerable adults as the record is never spent (even if this relates to a silly period as a young adult yet, in Spain for example, when a record is expunged after a certain period, information is not available if a UK DBS check is requested. This person can work with vulnerable adults and children yet may be unsuitable. Europe allows these laws which benefit some people in the EU who have a criminal record yet they are not interested in the lives of those UK citizens who are penalised all their life for a mistake or two! Does Europe consider the human rights of UK ex-offenders? Would you be happy for an unsuitable person to care for your parents or look after your children because they cannot be properly vetted, or they come from a country where criminal record information is not held?

There should not just be a free for all so that we don't know who we are opening our borders to. The infrastructure in certain cities will collapse in time. I don't have any issues with race, age, sexuality, religion etc. I am for helping refugees who genuinely need our help. I do have an issue with overcrowding, limitation of services, allowing terrorists and criminals free access into our country, supposed refugees who don't register in the first country they arrive in, wages being pushed down, lack of jobs in areas for British born citizens due to economic migrant excess in certain areas. Why should I not expect this, my grandfather fought in the war, paid taxes, my parents paid taxes, I paid taxes - surely I should have a right to live in a place I feel happy too - why should I not have the same consideration given to newcomers to our country, I have the interests of Britain at heart. I want Britain to foremost retain our sovereignty and at the same time allow multi-culturism to thrive.

Please let me know which company you work with, perhaps I could submit my CV.

.. and in response to your comment that I will be saying the earth is flat, you simply destroyed any credibility you had!

Additionally, I will use both pen and pencil to register my vote, better to be safe than sorry.

Please remember, it is people like my husband who fight for the rights of many different nationalities and who keep Britain safe whilst putting their own lives at risk!

Have a lovely day!

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Did you actually read the quote to which I was referring?

Originally Posted by Stephen http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
No it's not. Not voting is a wasted vote. Voting for what you think is right no matter the outcome is always important.

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We can always hope for change!! Yes, I agree with your points, it is dependent upon where you live. I am all for sovereignty but I am also for managed immigration - they both go hand in hand. One example of this would be Luton, there is no such thing as British Sovereignty there. Watch the Stacy Dooley interview and you will understand why I have concerns...

Good luck with your business, I wish you every success in retaining its viability to take care of your family.

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You said you couldn't get a job in Peterborough - what is your profession/trade/skill set?

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I cannot speak for them as I cannot speak for the opinions of others in this forum. Obviously, they have similar issues they feel strongly about and they have the freedom to debate. It is MY opinion that America is a wonderful place.

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If that is the case then it is unstable.

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Like most countries, the USA has good places and bad places, and some wonderful places - I have visited, or worked in, about 27 of the States.

An example of a wonderful place would be Provincetown, Massachussetts, where everyone I met was friendly, helpful, and tolerant - an awful place was Columbia, South Carolina, where my son spent a year at University; everyone there was polite, friendly, respectful - unless you weren't white...

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There are so many lovely people as you pointed out. There are good and bad everywhere. I hope your son enjoyed his year at University and it was a fantastic experience for him.

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I nver said you were but what you were saying made you sound like one.

Also I am not revealing who I work for but I will say the company supports remain.

Using anything other than the officially provided pencils is weird. Seems to have been a recent thing that people think those can be erased and votes changed, people are paranoid for no reason.

I do know a lot about industry and have grown up around trade unions and also supporting labour my whole life. My father worked for a few different ones and was pretty high up in them.

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I don't think it did make me sound like 'one' and I will continue to reiterate this point. You may like to know that my mother was one of the first in her area to help newly relocated asian immigrants settle and adapt into their new culture! This was even at the expense of losing the respect of neighbours due to racism and fear of immigration in the early days.

I have no interest in whether your company supports remain or not, they again have their choice. Their decision will be based on finance and success (as it is with with most unless money isn't their main priority). I wonder if your company would still vote remain if they were to become more successful (and wealthier) if they voted leave!

I am pleased to hear that your father had a successful career, I am happy for you and your family. You have grown up around trade unions and know a lot about industry and you have always voted labour. My life experiences are vast, many difficult, therefore I am well qualified to comment on many of the issues people face today. We have a failing government and a failing country.

Take the time to read the attached link and if you don't have any sympathy, then we really are at a loss! Things are only going to get worse. Again, did the EU consider the human rights of these people?

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...ating-families

... and as for the pencils, it isn't weird, it's a personal choice! I do not trust anything the government says or does. Read about one failing after another, one lie after another. This is fact. In large letters - FACT!

You say people are paranoid for no reason. Tell all of these people who have been lied to, let down, been driven to despair and who are VOTING OUT in the hope of a better life that they are 'paranoid'.

"Paranoia is an unfounded or exaggerated distrust of others, sometimes reaching delusional proportions. Paranoid individuals constantly suspect the motives of those around them, and believe that certain individuals, or people in general, are "out to get them."
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CHANGE IS NEEDED!

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So let me get this straight. You say the UK government are useless and can't manage the country and lie to us all the time....

Yet you are willing to vote and give them more control?

Yeah cause that makes sense.

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wow... I am at a loss. Don't people read full posts - I have mentioned both going hand in hand throughout my post! We should Brexit AND then vote the government out. You absolutely don't get it! What are the EU doing to STOP the government doing what they are doing right now - ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! So in effect, they do not have our best interests at heart in no way, shape or form. If the EU gave a damn, they would intervene and STOP the government continuously infringing upon people's human rights as they continue to do. How many times do I have to say this. They only wish to control what is most beneficial to them! There is too much greed and deceit in both.

Unfortunately money now seems to be the universal language. It is a shame our country has come to this.

We are a democracy we can incite change. One step at a time for a greater Britain! We made a mistake last time around, let's hope for our future generations we don't make the same mistake next time around!!

I won't change your views and you won't change mine. I can only assume our life experiences vastly differ!

BREXIT AND THEN VOTE CAMERON OUT!!

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I'm sorry, you quote an article discussing the impact of this Government's cuts, where does the EU come into this?

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Thank you for your question. I cannot seem to open my link so I assume it refers to benefits being stopped for the disabled and sick? Don't just read the article, read the comments, read of people's real experiences. This one is quite 'timid' compared to others I have read but it certainly gives an insight into how people feel.

Those in the remain campaign point out everything the EU does to protect worker rights and people's basic human rights etc. in the UK and they give this as one of the reasons for remaining in the EU. So where are they in cases like these? What happened to the human rights of many of these people? You cannot pick and choose whose human rights you wish to protect.

I have explained my reasoning and I think my argument is valid. As I have reiterated, leaving Brexit and voting out Cameron is the best way forward for our country. Both go hand in hand. Perhaps we wouldn't have all these cuts if we didn't send so much money to the EU, perhaps we could invest our funds into the areas it is truly needed. The poor, the sick and the disabled are suffering and it's despicable yet no one seems interested.

The EU do what is best for them and this will NEVER change.

VOTE BREXIT OUT FOLLOWED BY CAMERON!!

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Brexit might get rid of Cameron but he would just be replaced by another rich selfish Tory who is only out to help his rich pals.

The only way to sort this country out is to vote in a PM and government that will help the people but leaving the EU won't make that happen.

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Your interpretation of amazing is truly amazing. How many murders are there every year? and you want Britain to be the same? words fail me.

Vote Remain.

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I love it as do many other Brits (and ex-pats)!! I would rather take the risk of being shot than festering away in the hell hole that Britain will become! I will just go and check on the price of bullet proof vests!

.. and where did I actually say that I wanted Britain to be the same?

You are obviously a Witney constituent!! I know it well! David Cameron was never one of my favourite people!

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Thank you. I thought it may have been of interest to the overall discussion.

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Well written jackjone, like you I was made redundant last July thankfully after 6 months I found another job. I had paid into the system for over 43 years... Now I know what it feels like to be an alien in my own country. GTHO (get the hell out) time for me come 23rd June.

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Talk about hypocrisy,

You give am looking an example of how our government 'causes' someone's death.

How many people die in the US due to lack of basic health care.
How many people die in the US because they can't afford prescribed medicine.
How many people are bankrupt in the US after having treatment.

You say this government only looks after the rich and then offer up the US as a shining example.

REALLY, NO REALLY!

J

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With Labour un-electable, who do you suggest? Labour itself, doesn't believe they are electable otherwise they wouldn't be making labour laws one of the main reasons for staying in the EU.

As I said previously, Britain desperately needs an electable centre left party. But one with a bit of backbone that doesn't have to rely on unelected outside political institutions to force it's policy's through.

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Thank you Richard. I appreciate your comment as apparently, I don't need or should have any support.

It's not great being unemployed when you are not used to it, is it! This is my first time out of work and the first time in my life I have lost my independence, boy it's tough! Given that the government keep upping the retirement age, I will need a job as I will probably won't get any pension until I'm about 80 the way things are going!

It's unfortunate that there doesn't seem to be much respect for people in our situation, we aren't asking for any more than anyone else, yet we get less than most!

I hope all good things come your way, I have a feeling they will!

I am sure we will see many biased opinions on the BBC and everywhere else before 23rd, let's hope people vote out in the hope of a better future.

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'Biased' - someone who doesn't agree with you...

The pension age is going up because, on average, people are living longer - basic economics...

You're saying it's tough, but you have a salary coming in to your family - why not be happy for what you have, rather than be miserable for what you haven't?

I'm probably about the same age as you, I'm ex-forces, and I was made redundant last year - I'm now working away through the week, only home at weekends; my choice.

I could either complain, blame everyone else for my situation, or do something about it.

Hopefully, I'll get a local job soon, but until then, I'll keep on doing what I need to...

Not everyone has the options I do, but it's about making the best of a bad situation, versus blaming the world for your problems...

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I don't wish to argue with someone who doesn't read posts correctly. I actually commented on a post from someone who liked America. I said I love the country and I do. I didn't offer up America as a comparison in any way shape or form so please get your facts right before you comment. If I recall, you made a stupid comment in the first instance which I don't think was in any way relevant to the topic being discussed. You have taken everything out of context. I recall you referring to Americans as yokels, it is very derogatory. I assume you don't like America. You certainly don't sound as if you have ever actually been there!

.. and by the way, if you don't have money, your basic human rights entitle you to healthcare in the USA. You will not be turned away in an emergency. There is Obamacare and the marketplace to shop for your insurance. You pay a level of insurance dependent upon your earnings. Some hospitals write off bills if there is no way the patient can afford to pay. Hospitals make financial arrangements with patients to pay up their bills over a period of time. Companies provide jobs with health insurance. Pensioners are provided with medicaid and medicare when they retire.

Federal and income taxes etc. are cheaper in the US than here as is nearly everything else. You have more free income than you do in the UK. In effect what you pay for your medical insurance is what is deducted directly from your salary in the UK from your National Insurance so many people have a little more free income in the good old US than they do in the UK. .. .. and the lifestyle is great!

I would certainly pay for my healthcare as I know I would get quality treatment. I would choose my doctor/surgeon if I needed treatment. I would not have to lie in a hospital corridor waiting to be seen. I wouldn't have to wait 2 weeks to see a doctor. I wouldn't end up committing suicide because I cannot get treatment for mental health issues. I wouldn't die of cervical cancer because I can't get a screening until I am over 25 or bowel cancer until I am 55. I am not downing the NHS as on the whole they do a great job but unfortunately, services are at breaking point in some areas and it will only continue to get worse.

There are advantages and disadvantages in both systems.

If you are going to quote me, please put the quote in your message so that I know what you are talking about!

.. and yes I will stick by my point that people commit suicide and/or lose their life due to the inadequacies and cutbacks made by the Department of Work and Pensions. If you did your research on this subject, you would have an idea of what is actually happening in the country. I have provided you with some examples to start with as you obviously cannot be bothered to research anything yourself.

http://www.disabilitynewsservice.com...ated-suicides/

https://www.rt.com/uk/316524-dwp-bla...bled-reporter/

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...r-benefits-cut

This is about the EU and our government, not about America so I hope this answers your questions. If there is any other information you require, best you research it.

Have a wonderful evening. ;)

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Do people not get 'tongue in cheek' comments anymore! Perhaps I should have put a smiley face.

I have not said I am unhappy. I am certainly not miserable. You have probably missed some of my postings! Have you read where 'our' money goes, obviously not! Please do... It is also about self pride. I am not a military wife who has sat at home looking after kids for many years, I have always been independent and worked so to have that taken away is soul destroying for me.

I cannot get help to fund a course whilst a migrant just released from prison for murder can be given a house and benefits. My tax has contributed to those in need for many years so why should I not have a little back. We house our elderly parents as the housing department wanted to put them in a high crime and drug area. They don't take the extra expense you have into consideration, only your net salary! We are worse off than someone on benefits.

I don't have to tell you this but I will as it is very relevant. I lived with a health issue for many years which became more debilitating over time yet the NHS didn't think it was quite serious enough to provide treatment. It lowered my every day quality of life so I had no option other than to pay for the operation myself privately. It is frustrating when you look at health tourism, treatment for those who have never contributed within the UK, implants on the NHS etc. Do you know I had to pay thousands of pounds for this operation (5 figures) and it cleared out my life savings. Money I could be living on now to make things easier. Read this posting!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-taxpayer.html

Do you know some EU citizens have had (and probably still do) treatment in their country and charge it to the UK? Read this posting..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-card-GP.html

I would also add that have a sight problem so therefore cannot cannot drive. I am in a little village. I don't have many choices... I have a limited bus service so yes, there are other circumstances I need to contend with. Jobs are limited in the area I am able to travel to, the town has a high economic migrant population which limits my chance of work so it isn't at all that fantastic!

I am not blaming the world on my problems, I don't want any more than anyone else but a little help would be nice. I am sure you would feel a little of what I do when you see what is going on and you watch your bank balance reduce to zero. I think that, given the circumstances, I am handling it quite well.

If people say that this would not frustrate them then they are obviously not being honest! It is always the same, people will comment when they don't have the full story! Perhaps now you might just understand although in all honesty, I don't care if you don't. So I don't think your comment 'I could either complain, blame everyone else for my situation, or do something about it' is really suits my situation. I try my best. Seriously though, I think I have a right to have a little moan and I won't apologise for that. If my thousands of pounds was still in the bank, then I would feel a little better! So how would you feel? The money you saved for your future was gone whilst you watched the NHS fund the above! I answered, now will you do the same out of respect and please be honest.

On a positive note, I have a wonderful future ahead of me and I know I only have to keep my chin up for a few more months.

I am pleased you have a job and yes, it will be so much better when you get one closer to home. I hope you received a redundancy payment to help soften the blow. Hopefully you will also have an army pension which you can use to contribute to your travel expenses until you do sort something out. Good luck with your continued job hunt.

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You recall incorrectly, Jamie never called Americans yokels, neither did I for that matter, I said I found it funny when I heard some redneck hick yokel demanding to take America back and wondered who they planned to take it back from and what the intended to do with it once they had it back, i found it relevant to thr discussion as you reminded me of said hick yokel by demanding Britain gets taken back.

I also find it mildly amusing when a poster demands people read their posts correctly and gauge the correct interpretion from them but can't be bothered to not only extend the courtesy to others or even correctly name them and instead grossly exaggerates what was said as well. I'd suggest you take your own advice about getting facts right or else you'll end up looking very silly.

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I would have perhaps gone to the effort if it referred to a comment which demanded an intelligent response! Why is it such a big issue I didn't state it verbatim. It would have just been an absolute waste of time and energy. So does it make it any better that you referred to some redneck hick yokel (the statement implied it referred to an American, probably a particular individual in fact), it is a derogatory term whatever the contextl! You say I can't be bothered! What a silly argument, I have spent a LOT of time responding to people's comments in a polite way and I have been frank and open about my experiences personally. I think I have been quite eloquent!

You call yourself TheDaddy - mmmm there are many ways I could interpret this!!

What can I say, dum de dum de dum de dum de dum dum dum...

Please don't go to the effort of responding again as I find it boring and I won't entertain your small mindedness!

Have a wonderful day. Give me six!!

I rest my case.

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Still at least you know what you can do if/when we lose the ref, go and live in the USA, I'll stay here I think.

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Don't throw your toys out of the pram.

Yes, that is a very good idea. I appreciate your input. Now that you mention it....

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Good luck with that - my brother-in-law works/lives in Connecticut, and is a VP for a major pharma/biosimilars corporation; the hassle of getting a work permit, never mind a green card, is almost overwhelming, and he was sponsored by his company.

The big thing to worry about in the USA is Medical Insurance - most companies won't cover pre-existing conditions, so you would have to pay for anything related to those yourself, and there is also co-payments, which means, unless you have very very expensive Health Insurance, you pay a percentage of the bill up to a limit (which can be up to $100,000).

Medical bills are the biggest cause of bankruptcy in the USA, mostly from people who have medical insurance...

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No toys, no prams.

You see, you've been here all of what. 5 minutes?

Yet with all your 'passion' and !!! exclamations, you're running the risk of scaring away the people you are presumably trying to influence.

Debates are not won by whoever can screech the loudest, neither are they won by stifling or refusing to accept dissention to your own particular point of view.

I also want to leave the EU, I'd also quite like a decent Government, I just don't choose to go off like a cheap Chinese firework about it.

Considering the length of service held, and the alarming way you've ramped up your rhetoric to near hysterical level at some posters in a short time frame, you're seriously undermining your credibility on the points you have made that are valid.

Take a step back, give your head a wobble and breathe.

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my mother in-law lives and works in Florida and it is in my opinion the best thing that has ever happened to this country i love America for taking her in ;)

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Thank you very much for your comment. Yes, they are very valid points you have made.

I am familiar with The Marketplace, the Affordable Care Act, co-payments etc.

There have been some positive changes, HealthCare.Gov state:

"All Marketplace plans must cover treatment for pre-existing medical conditions.

No insurance plan can reject you, charge you more, or refuse to pay for essential health benefits for any condition you had before your coverage started.

Once you’re enrolled, the plan can’t deny you coverage or raise your rates based only on your health.

Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) also can't refuse to cover you or charge you more because of your pre-existing condition."

I have no doubt you already know this given your insight above but I will mention it anyway in case anyone else finds this discussion interesting.The amount you pay is based on income as subsidies are given to make availability of healthcare more affordable (or you can opt out and pay a penalty).

I had a friend in the US who became extremely ill, he could not afford medical insurance/expenses yet all of his medical needs were met. The bill was written off. His house wasn't used as collateral as it was his primary residence. There are people who slip through the net in one way or another in both the US and Britain, there are positives and negatives to both. It shouldn't be this way, it is a sad fact it is.

UK and US passports are classed as two of the most powerful passports in world' and I hold both. I know how lucky I am to have the option to live in either country and I of course will take advantage of this.

Can I assume your brother-in-law enjoys the American lifestyle given he made an informed decision to live and work there. It would be interesting to know which country he would prefer to remain in on a permanent basis if he had to make that choice.

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I am no more opinionated than many others in this forum covering many topics, I have been polite all the way through. I have responded nicely to people even though there are the odd one or two who seem to be quite rude (with the exception of one who used a derogatory term and you are already aware of this.)

I did not realise it wasn't appropriate to use exclamation marks so I will leave them out in future. It is simply a habit of mine and I will try and become more aware of when I use them. I seem to have upset you in some way, it is not my intention. Please try and remain calm, it really isn't good for you. Take a deep breath, in, out, in, out.. Does that feel better.

Have a great day.

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Jackjone I think what techguy was referring to is the way you come across it can be a little condescending and that alienates people that might agree with the points you've made. Like it or not internet forums don't translate intent or emotional feelings unless very well worded so at times people can come across as something they are not. Also in my experience telling people to calm down generally has the opposite effect, just for notice I am perfectly calm as I type this :).

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I'm also being totally calm as I agree with Rizzy :tu:

LOL

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Its really not much of an effort to ensure your quoting the right person, it's basic forum etiquette and courtesy really

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The company (Israeli) he was with at the time transferred him there (to NJ originally), and it was then taken over by a US company, which fired 20% of the staff, including him; he was headhunted by another NJ Pharma company, and he stayed because he was in a relationship; he enjoys living in New Haven, but intends to retire to the UK.

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Thank you for your comment RizzyKing. Yes, I agree with your point. You say it so well ;) I am not a condescending person whatsoever so it is simply misinterpretation of the written word as you say. I am new to forums so I try to be as clear as possible; perhaps to a fault! Please let me have this exclamation mark. I simply care. Let us just accept that techguy and I are both at fault, I feel the same way about some of his comments as he does mine. Obviously, we are both passionate about our cause and that isn't a bad thing. I suggested he calmed down as I don't think a discussion should cause upset or anger and it appeared from the wording in his last couple of posts that it did. It just isn't good for your health. Breathing techniques are wonderful if you feel a little stressed. It was simply a suggestion, again misinterpreted. I hope you conveyed the same message to techguy, it is only fair you do so and we can start afresh.

Please feel free to step in any time as moderator if any of us get out of hand, even though it is unintentional! :)

PS this debating stuff is hard work, I don't think it will be a full-time hobby for me...

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mmmm that's American companies for you. Best of both worlds too then :)

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I'm also being totally calm as I agree with Rizzy :tu:

LOL

Good for you Techguyone, of course you would. You are an absolute card.... Nice to see that sense of humour and that huge LOL. Did the breathing exercises work LOL

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No matter what the outcome of today's vote there will always be someone who is not happy at the result.

Which ever way it goes we will all have to adapt to any changing circumstances and live within our means as best we can, though it may be harder for some than others.